Well I mean I haven't given Nintendo any money for the past 6 years because working there was a complete nightmare of terrible management and miserable working conditions. And i'm just some jerk. Sounds like Nintendo did a lot more to those guys.
So what if Night Trap won't make a difference either way to Nintendo's bottom line. They don't want to work with them and don't want to give them any money. They're allowed, they know the consequences will just be less money for them but they are making a moral stand. I approve of anything that says Fuck Nintendo.
Well I mean I haven't given Nintendo any money for the past 6 years because working there was a complete nightmare of terrible management and miserable working conditions. And i'm just some jerk. Sounds like Nintendo did a lot more to those guys.
So what if Night Trap won't make a difference either way to Nintendo's bottom line. They don't want to work with them and don't want to give them any money. They're allowed, they know the consequences will just be less money for them but they are making a moral stand. I approve of anything that says Fuck Nintendo.
Your concerns are valid, but they're not taking a moral stand against anything the company is doing today
Or at least they aren't saying so
They're still sore over the actions of one company man two decades ago
Well I mean I haven't given Nintendo any money for the past 6 years because working there was a complete nightmare of terrible management and miserable working conditions. And i'm just some jerk. Sounds like Nintendo did a lot more to those guys.
So what if Night Trap won't make a difference either way to Nintendo's bottom line. They don't want to work with them and don't want to give them any money. They're allowed, they know the consequences will just be less money for them but they are making a moral stand. I approve of anything that says Fuck Nintendo.
Your concerns are valid, but they're not taking a moral stand against anything the company is doing today
Or at least they aren't saying so
They're still sore over the actions of one company man two decades ago
The president of the company impacts a lot of the company's workings. He threw them under the bus while acting in an official capacity, which means Nintendo threw them under the bus. Looking at Nintendo now and how they act about things I can understand why they'd still be leery given their previous experience, even with the changes in leadership over the years. For me, even if Reggie quit and the shitty management culture they have there disappeared overnight i'd still not buy any of their products, and i'd definitely not consider working there again.
I mean them not making a Nintendo version is probably the least of their concerns when it comes to this game's success, so whatever. They have a grudge, it doesn't really make any difference to anyone, so what if they're still holding it. "Hey, remember that Nintendo did this super shitty thing 23 years ago" isn't a bad message to send. Context and history is important to remember.
Sure no one now should use Nintendo's actions re: Night Trap 23 years ago to influence their buying decisions, but the people directly involved are allowed to be mad about it still.
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The issue isn't that they're mad about it, it's that they called Nintendo out in a weird, super-petty way. It comes off as unprofessional, and ain't a good look for a game developer.
Whatever, man, if the dudes releasing Night Trap on PS4 want to give Nintendo the middle finger I 100% support them.
Oh no the funny thing is the way he tried to frame it like Nintendo really needed the new Night Trap and he wasn't going to give it to them. Like, the amount of unearned self-importance in that statement was amazing.
Whatever, man, if the dudes releasing Night Trap on PS4 want to give Nintendo the middle finger I 100% support them.
Oh no the funny thing is the way he tried to frame it like Nintendo really needed the new Night Trap and he wasn't going to give it to them. Like, the amount of unearned self-importance in that statement was amazing.
No, he said they needed third party support, which is not an uncommon sentiment, and that they aren't getting their particular third party support
Continued Sexism/Gender Identity Intolerance as "not a big deal/just how japan is"
Arcane online policies as "good to protect their consumers"
80 dollar plastic shell to hold two controllers as "necessary to keep up quality plastic"
To simply say "it happened 23 years ago" is to ignore the very unique circumstances surrounding it.
It's a re-release of a game that Nintendo deliberately singled out to hold up as an example of how immoral and corrupting video games had become... on other systems.
To simply say "it happened 23 years ago" is to ignore the very unique circumstances surrounding it.
It's a re-release of a game that Nintendo deliberately singled out to hold up as an example of how immoral and corrupting video games had become... on other systems.
But those people don't even work at the company anymore
if there is a brand new Sonic game coming to the Switch, I think the Night Trap people can ease up on that
Continued Sexism/Gender Identity Intolerance as "not a big deal/just how japan is"
Arcane online policies as "good to protect their consumers"
80 dollar plastic shell to hold two controllers as "necessary to keep up quality plastic"
etc etc
My absolute favorite gem was "I'm glad they release good games at a slow rate, I don't want to be overwhelmed with good games to play"
And this was not in a joking, jovial "oh my god we're drowning in good games right now" sense
They seemed legitimately happy that Nintendo was not overloading them with quality things to play, as they only played games on Nintendo systems
Continued Sexism/Gender Identity Intolerance as "not a big deal/just how japan is"
Arcane online policies as "good to protect their consumers" 80 dollar plastic shell to hold two controllers as "necessary to keep up quality plastic"
etc etc
I don't follow on this one. You mean the grip which is $20/$30 for the charging variant?
To simply say "it happened 23 years ago" is to ignore the very unique circumstances surrounding it.
It's a re-release of a game that Nintendo deliberately singled out to hold up as an example of how immoral and corrupting video games had become... on other systems.
But those people don't even work at the company anymore
So what? That's not how companies work. The guy who did all the crazy Nestle shit probably doesn't work there any more either. It's still ok for people to not like Nestle.
If it were any of you that had watched a huge company deliberately fuck over your, much smaller company 23 years ago I guarantee you would still be mad about it. I have not the slightest doubt.
Little did the Night Trap revivalists know that their middle finger to Nintendo would spark an uprising in all sectors of third party development, causing them to abandon the once beloved company. As a result of this, Sega, a company long since floundering after the horrific console wars of the 90s and early 00s, emerged from the confusion and released a new console aligning itself ardently with Night Trap.
Sega fans rejoiced, but all was not well in the fandom. A schism emerged. One side, scarred and hardened by the console wars, declared that anyone who bought and played a Nintendo console, even if it was to play a Sega game, were heretics and not true fans. The other side loudly proclaimed that they had no other choice, and that not supporting Sega in this time would have caused the company to disappear completely.
Historians now commonly refer this schism the Nintendonatist Heresy or Controversy.
Continued Sexism/Gender Identity Intolerance as "not a big deal/just how japan is"
Arcane online policies as "good to protect their consumers"
80 dollar plastic shell to hold two controllers as "necessary to keep up quality plastic"
etc etc
My absolute favorite gem was "I'm glad they release good games at a slow rate, I don't want to be overwhelmed with good games to play"
And this was not in a joking, jovial "oh my god we're drowning in good games right now" sense
They seemed legitimately happy that Nintendo was not overloading them with quality things to play, as they only played games on Nintendo systems
I've also seen "its good they haven't released emulated versions of more recent entries in their catalogue because those versions wouldn't be up to their quality standards", despite high quality emulators for the 64 having been around for a decade
Way more people seem to be shitting on them than defending them here. I don't think anyone's saying what Nintendo did was good, just that Night Trap guy isn't really the best vehicle for this.
I'm in no way disputing that what Nintendo was immoral, but the fact that they included a scene in which a struggling woman is attacked with what looks like an animatronic dildo probably didn't do them any favors in 1993
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I get defensive about nintendo because my uncle works there and he's a good guy so when people talk shit about nintendo it feels like they're talking bad about him
Continued Sexism/Gender Identity Intolerance as "not a big deal/just how japan is"
Arcane online policies as "good to protect their consumers"
80 dollar plastic shell to hold two controllers as "necessary to keep up quality plastic"
etc etc
My absolute favorite gem was "I'm glad they release good games at a slow rate, I don't want to be overwhelmed with good games to play"
And this was not in a joking, jovial "oh my god we're drowning in good games right now" sense
They seemed legitimately happy that Nintendo was not overloading them with quality things to play, as they only played games on Nintendo systems
I've also seen "its good they haven't released emulated versions of more recent entries in their catalogue because those versions wouldn't be up to their quality standards", despite high quality emulators for the 64 having been around for a decade
My quibble with that is the environment. All the emulators for N64 are running on x86 and none of Nintendo's HW is that; plus Nintendo's obsessive need to write stand alone emulation for every title to fully recreate every flaw of the original release doesn't help. I think the NES Classic was their test-bed for improving that for the Switch (given both of them use the same processor architecture), so hopefully the VC on the Switch is better in terms of releases and quantity (and price, fuck paying a ton for every title a third time).
To simply say "it happened 23 years ago" is to ignore the very unique circumstances surrounding it.
It's a re-release of a game that Nintendo deliberately singled out to hold up as an example of how immoral and corrupting video games had become... on other systems.
But those people don't even work at the company anymore
So what? That's not how companies work. The guy who did all the crazy Nestle shit probably doesn't work there any more either. It's still ok for people to not like Nestle.
If it were any of you that had watched a huge company deliberately fuck over your, much smaller company 23 years ago I guarantee you would still be mad about it. I have not the slightest doubt.
Maybe, but like I said earlier, I'm a lazyass and holding a grudge is exhausting for me. I don't have a horse in this race though so I don't care if the Night Trap devs are still pissed at Nintendo, that's cool. It's just weird to me personally
I think it's really funny that Night Trap is getting rereleased at all
So this wrinkle of them being mad at Nintendo is also funny no matter how understandable it is
The funny thing for me is, like...would anybody on Earth have given a shit about Night Trap in the first place if it hadn't been for the controversy? I've certainly never heard it brought up in any other context.
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So what if Night Trap won't make a difference either way to Nintendo's bottom line. They don't want to work with them and don't want to give them any money. They're allowed, they know the consequences will just be less money for them but they are making a moral stand. I approve of anything that says Fuck Nintendo.
Your concerns are valid, but they're not taking a moral stand against anything the company is doing today
Or at least they aren't saying so
They're still sore over the actions of one company man two decades ago
They've got my money, at least
The president of the company impacts a lot of the company's workings. He threw them under the bus while acting in an official capacity, which means Nintendo threw them under the bus. Looking at Nintendo now and how they act about things I can understand why they'd still be leery given their previous experience, even with the changes in leadership over the years. For me, even if Reggie quit and the shitty management culture they have there disappeared overnight i'd still not buy any of their products, and i'd definitely not consider working there again.
I mean them not making a Nintendo version is probably the least of their concerns when it comes to this game's success, so whatever. They have a grudge, it doesn't really make any difference to anyone, so what if they're still holding it. "Hey, remember that Nintendo did this super shitty thing 23 years ago" isn't a bad message to send. Context and history is important to remember.
Sure no one now should use Nintendo's actions re: Night Trap 23 years ago to influence their buying decisions, but the people directly involved are allowed to be mad about it still.
Dangerous Golf was EXTREMELY BAD, so I'm very cautious
It's out next month
Oh no the funny thing is the way he tried to frame it like Nintendo really needed the new Night Trap and he wasn't going to give it to them. Like, the amount of unearned self-importance in that statement was amazing.
Stop trying to replicate Crash Mode
I need proper new Burnout, I'm dying over here
No, he said they needed third party support, which is not an uncommon sentiment, and that they aren't getting their particular third party support
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Nintendo and Apple are the only two companies I know of that inspire this like
Cult-like defense of any action they take
At least Nintendo still has a headphone jack. :rotate:
I wouldn't buy a game that's just that though.
"Boy it's funny the makers of Night Trap are taking a stand against something Nintendo did 23 years ago" sure is a 'cult-like defense' absolutely
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I'm not talking about this
Its a general observation
Continued Sexism/Gender Identity Intolerance as "not a big deal/just how japan is"
Arcane online policies as "good to protect their consumers"
80 dollar plastic shell to hold two controllers as "necessary to keep up quality plastic"
etc etc
It's a re-release of a game that Nintendo deliberately singled out to hold up as an example of how immoral and corrupting video games had become... on other systems.
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But those people don't even work at the company anymore
if there is a brand new Sonic game coming to the Switch, I think the Night Trap people can ease up on that
My absolute favorite gem was "I'm glad they release good games at a slow rate, I don't want to be overwhelmed with good games to play"
And this was not in a joking, jovial "oh my god we're drowning in good games right now" sense
They seemed legitimately happy that Nintendo was not overloading them with quality things to play, as they only played games on Nintendo systems
I don't follow on this one. You mean the grip which is $20/$30 for the charging variant?
So what? That's not how companies work. The guy who did all the crazy Nestle shit probably doesn't work there any more either. It's still ok for people to not like Nestle.
If it were any of you that had watched a huge company deliberately fuck over your, much smaller company 23 years ago I guarantee you would still be mad about it. I have not the slightest doubt.
Sega fans rejoiced, but all was not well in the fandom. A schism emerged. One side, scarred and hardened by the console wars, declared that anyone who bought and played a Nintendo console, even if it was to play a Sega game, were heretics and not true fans. The other side loudly proclaimed that they had no other choice, and that not supporting Sega in this time would have caused the company to disappear completely.
Historians now commonly refer this schism the Nintendonatist Heresy or Controversy.
I've also seen "its good they haven't released emulated versions of more recent entries in their catalogue because those versions wouldn't be up to their quality standards", despite high quality emulators for the 64 having been around for a decade
Crash mode was the only good thing about Burnout, the racing sucked. The rubber banding was ridiculous.
Way more people seem to be shitting on them than defending them here. I don't think anyone's saying what Nintendo did was good, just that Night Trap guy isn't really the best vehicle for this.
God my head....
So this wrinkle of them being mad at Nintendo is also funny no matter how understandable it is
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My quibble with that is the environment. All the emulators for N64 are running on x86 and none of Nintendo's HW is that; plus Nintendo's obsessive need to write stand alone emulation for every title to fully recreate every flaw of the original release doesn't help. I think the NES Classic was their test-bed for improving that for the Switch (given both of them use the same processor architecture), so hopefully the VC on the Switch is better in terms of releases and quantity (and price, fuck paying a ton for every title a third time).
Maybe, but like I said earlier, I'm a lazyass and holding a grudge is exhausting for me. I don't have a horse in this race though so I don't care if the Night Trap devs are still pissed at Nintendo, that's cool. It's just weird to me personally