Garrosh is the only orc I give a shit about. Dude came from Outland, knew what orcs in-touch with the old ways looked like; knew how good it was. Came to Kalimdor, and was rightfully shitty at the state of the Horde, essentially Thrall hiding behind Jaina's coat-tails, and the Horde itself basically just BEING ALLOWED by the Alliance to exist, out in the fucking desert. With Saurfang as a mentor, he proves himself over and over again, enough that Thrall entrusts the Horde to him in his absence. Dude starts changing shit in a big way - kicking commanders off of fucking cliffs when they show dishonor on the battlefield, because that's not how the Horde rolls.
This Garrosh will always be Garrosh to me.
Everything that happened after isn't his fault, it's Blizzard's fault, and specifically Metzen's, for being shit writers. They literally have no idea how to write the classic savage hero archetype; every time they try, shit goes ass up immediately.
But that's not how the horde rolls. The horde post-WC3 is a collection of outcast races who grouped together for protection, not savage conquerers. Garrosh is antithetical to all of horde lore post wc2. Going and basically nuking theramore just because they were there chief among ridiculous choices made by blizzard for the character even inside the window you say is ok.
He lead the orcs back to their old WC1/2 ways, as if the whole grom kills mannoroth thing to free the orcs didn't even matter.
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
Ummm, yeah they do? You get the Innkeeper announcing the names at the beginning of every single game.
I don't know who Anduin, Garrosh, Medivh, Rexxar, etc. are from Warcraft. But I can name all of them from Hearthstone! (I can't name that one girl Paladin, I guess I don't see her enough.)
Nobody in my experience thinks of them as characters. Garrosh is "some warrior" at best. The cards have far more personality and recognition then any of the classes.
Sure, they don't know or care of the history, usually.
You said they didn't even "notice that the classes have names." That's pretty much definitely not true
I'm with @Lucascraft as far as Garrosh vs Grommash in who's better known and it all boils down to, as he mentioned, Hearthstone.
A lot of WoW and Warcraft players have played Hearthstone but I imagine there are even MORE people who have played Hearthstone that haven't touched any WoW games. Hearthstone invalidates pretty much most arguments of who's more recognizable at this point.
"But, you forget very easily how awesome Grom was in WC3 when ---"
"Hearthstone"
"But when Mannoroth ---"
"Hearthstone?"
"But--"
"Hearth ... wait for it .... STONE"
Now if you ask who has a bigger FANBASE (as in people that actually carry about the character in lore)? Yeah, probably Grom. But Gary's the face of "EVERYONE ... GET IN HERE!" so I don't think I can fault them for it, all my previous complaining/venting aside.
I'm not sure people who don't care about Warcraft but play Hearthstone even notice that the classes have names. So this doesn't really work as an argument.
Ummm, yeah they do? You get the Innkeeper announcing the names at the beginning of every single game.
I don't know who Anduin, Garrosh, Medivh, Rexxar, etc. are from Warcraft. But I can name all of them from Hearthstone! (I can't name that one girl Paladin, I guess I don't see her enough.)
Nobody in my experience thinks of them as characters. Garrosh is "some warrior" at best. The cards have far more personality and recognition then any of the classes.
Sure, they don't know or care of the history, usually.
You said they didn't even "notice that the classes have names." That's pretty much definitely not true
Not really. The names are said, no one cares.
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The worst thing about Garrosh (other than everything) is that if you played horde in TBC, then you feel slightly responsible.
That asshole would have been depressed in Nagrand if your stupid ass hadn't come along and shown him your favorite WC3 cinematic.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
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Garrosh is the only orc I give a shit about. Dude came from Outland, knew what orcs in-touch with the old ways looked like; knew how good it was. Came to Kalimdor, and was rightfully shitty at the state of the Horde, essentially Thrall hiding behind Jaina's coat-tails, and the Horde itself basically just BEING ALLOWED by the Alliance to exist, out in the fucking desert. With Saurfang as a mentor, he proves himself over and over again, enough that Thrall entrusts the Horde to him in his absence. Dude starts changing shit in a big way - kicking commanders off of fucking cliffs when they show dishonor on the battlefield, because that's not how the Horde rolls.
This Garrosh will always be Garrosh to me.
Everything that happened after isn't his fault, it's Blizzard's fault, and specifically Metzen's, for being shit writers. They literally have no idea how to write the classic savage hero archetype; every time they try, shit goes ass up immediately.
As someone who had to suffer through what they did to Illidan in TBC and the "Hush, Tyrande!" line from Malfurion, I'm going to concede this point and I'm sorry for what they did to a character you loved, dude.
The worst thing about Garrosh (other than everything) is that if you played horde in TBC, then you feel slightly responsible.
That asshole would have been depressed in Nagrand if your stupid ass hadn't come along and shown him your favorite WC3 cinematic.
archimonde destroying dalaran?
No silly, he's talking about Arthas killing his father.
I assume Garrosh decided humans were shit after seeing what they did to their fathers and that's why he's so mean to them.
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The best part of that cinematic and Arthas' arc generally is that he's constantly going "You know what? Screw it, all these people trying to talk me into doing the right thing just aren't willing to do what it takes." It's way more believable an arc than most of the CORRUPTION episodes are.
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
Arms warrior I was hoping for. So charge, hamstring, mortal strike, bladestorm etc.
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My favorite cinematic from WC3 and TFT is actually Arthas' return to Lordaeron.
But the in game lore is clearly that your favorite cinematic is Garrosh killing Mannoroth and then deciding that dodging is what babies do.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
If Grom killing Mannoroth is not your favorite you are probably filthy alliance scum.
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I dunno, the Arthas cinematic is basically the horde wet dream for five expansions.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
My favorite thing is how in WC3 Grom one-shot kills Mannaroth with an axe to the face.
Then the story jumps to Alternate Universe, and Grommash one-shot kills Mannaroth with an axe to the face in a completely different set of circumstances.
It was fated to end that way.
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My favorite thing is how in WC3 Grom one-shot kills Mannaroth with an axe to the face.
Then the story jumps to Alternate Universe, and Grommash one-shot kills Mannaroth with an axe to the face in a completely different set of circumstances.
It was fated to end that way.
And he doesn't dodge in either of those cinematics.
Man, Grom is really one really dumb bastard, isn't he?
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
Yeah I'm moving on as well so, let's break it down!
As a warrior, I look at Muradin and Varian who kind of monopolized a lot of the iconic stuff. Also Sonya was given the abilities Whirlwind and Heroic Leap. They could try and give him a Hearthstone angle but ... I don't know if they'd go with something openly 4th wall like that? Don't know.
I'd like to think that Garrosh will be a tank as it seems too juicy to pass up with a full ORC Party (We had Rexxar here before but Misha isn't an ORC and carried Rexxar on her big brown shoulders). So we could still get some Tank abilities despite him using a two handed weapon, maybe? Shield Slam is an option (rename it). I'd like to think they'll give him Rage instead of Mana, but that bums me out since I'm hoping for Broll/Bear Tank eventually.
I'm actually really struggling to think where they're going to take him that hasn't been covered so if nothing else, I'm straight curious how this shakes out.
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
Yeah I'm moving on as well so, let's break it down!
As a warrior, I look at Muradin and Varian who kind of monopolized a lot of the iconic stuff. Also Sonya was given the abilities Whirlwind and Heroic Leap. They could try and give him a Hearthstone angle but ... I don't know if they'd go with something openly 4th wall like that? Don't know.
I'd like to think that Garrosh will be a tank as it seems too juicy to pass up with a full ORC Party (We had Rexxar here before but Misha isn't an ORC and carried Rexxar on her big brown shoulders). So we could still get some Tank abilities despite him using a two handed weapon, maybe? Shield Slam is an option (rename it). I'd like to think they'll give him Rage instead of Mana, but that bums me out since I'm hoping for Broll/Bear Tank eventually.
I'm actually really struggling to think where they're going to take him that hasn't been covered so if nothing else, I'm straight curious how this shakes out.
assuming that he was chosen due to hearthstone recognition i could see him being a more traditional warrior given the hero power there. gorehowl doesn't really see play to my knowledge and i don't think HS really ties it to garrosh in any way regardless, at least not more so than any other weapon. however i think he fits more as a bruiser or assassin. they could go the shout based route and have a warrior with a bunch of buffs/debuffs
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
Yeah I'm moving on as well so, let's break it down!
As a warrior, I look at Muradin and Varian who kind of monopolized a lot of the iconic stuff. Also Sonya was given the abilities Whirlwind and Heroic Leap. They could try and give him a Hearthstone angle but ... I don't know if they'd go with something openly 4th wall like that? Don't know.
I'd like to think that Garrosh will be a tank as it seems too juicy to pass up with a full ORC Party (We had Rexxar here before but Misha isn't an ORC and carried Rexxar on her big brown shoulders). So we could still get some Tank abilities despite him using a two handed weapon, maybe? Shield Slam is an option (rename it). I'd like to think they'll give him Rage instead of Mana, but that bums me out since I'm hoping for Broll/Bear Tank eventually.
I'm actually really struggling to think where they're going to take him that hasn't been covered so if nothing else, I'm straight curious how this shakes out.
assuming that he was chosen due to hearthstone recognition i could see him being a more traditional warrior given the hero power there. gorehowl doesn't really see play to my knowledge and i don't think HS really ties it to garrosh in any way regardless, at least not more so than any other weapon. however i think he fits more as a bruiser or assassin. they could go the shout based route and have a warrior with a bunch of buffs/debuffs
i have zero idea what his raid encounter was like
It was bizarre because he had fused with the heart of an old god and all that jazz. So unless he's like corrupted Garrosh, I don't see that being much. Shout could actually work, though but maybe he really will just be a bruiser/assassin.
His raid encounter is mostly garrosh throwing old god corruption at you. I can't imagine they'll use that much outside of perhaps an ult, since they've shown the model and he's only got 2 eyeballs and not 75.
I keep hoping they'll add that one undead priest on every PVP server that would hang out in Blackrock Mountain and throw Alliance raiders into the lava. Someday.
I'm expecting him to be very arms warrior. The problem is a lot of the kit I'd expect him to have would just mirror abilities that Sonya and Varian already use.
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
Yeah I'm moving on as well so, let's break it down!
As a warrior, I look at Muradin and Varian who kind of monopolized a lot of the iconic stuff. Also Sonya was given the abilities Whirlwind and Heroic Leap. They could try and give him a Hearthstone angle but ... I don't know if they'd go with something openly 4th wall like that? Don't know.
I'd like to think that Garrosh will be a tank as it seems too juicy to pass up with a full ORC Party (We had Rexxar here before but Misha isn't an ORC and carried Rexxar on her big brown shoulders). So we could still get some Tank abilities despite him using a two handed weapon, maybe? Shield Slam is an option (rename it). I'd like to think they'll give him Rage instead of Mana, but that bums me out since I'm hoping for Broll/Bear Tank eventually.
I'm actually really struggling to think where they're going to take him that hasn't been covered so if nothing else, I'm straight curious how this shakes out.
assuming that he was chosen due to hearthstone recognition i could see him being a more traditional warrior given the hero power there. gorehowl doesn't really see play to my knowledge and i don't think HS really ties it to garrosh in any way regardless, at least not more so than any other weapon. however i think he fits more as a bruiser or assassin. they could go the shout based route and have a warrior with a bunch of buffs/debuffs
i have zero idea what his raid encounter was like
It was bizarre because he had fused with the heart of an old god and all that jazz. So unless he's like corrupted Garrosh, I don't see that being much. Shout could actually work, though but maybe he really will just be a bruiser/assassin.
His WoW incarnations, from brief wiki research, seem to pretty consistently have had Shout buffs to provide at various points, so him getting a shout seems pretty likely.
The problem is, Varian already has the "traditional" arms warrior experience rolled into his kit when he specs into 2H DPS burst mode. They can't really give that to Garrosh because Varian already has it.
I could see them going with something like Cleave and Sunder and Shout for a decent kit. Q for Cleave, it's a small arc in front of him for decent damage. W for Sunder with minor single target damage and an armor break debuff. E for Shout, and give him the ability to add like +10 to 15% damage to allies for a short time, or whatever a fair and balanced amount would be.
The other problem is that we already have Whirlwind on Sonya, Samuro has Bladestorm which is basically super fancy Whirlwind. So that wouldn't be a very good ult choice just because it has already been used twice.
The problem is, Varian already has the "traditional" arms warrior experience rolled into his kit when he specs into 2H DPS burst mode. They can't really give that to Garrosh because Varian already has it.
I could see them going with something like Cleave and Sunder and Shout for a decent kit. Q for Cleave, it's a small arc in front of him for decent damage. W for Sunder with minor single target damage and an armor break debuff. E for Shout, and give him the ability to add like +10 to 15% damage to allies for a short time, or whatever a fair and balanced amount would be.
The other problem is that we already have Whirlwind on Sonya, Samuro has Bladestorm which is basically super fancy Whirlwind. So that wouldn't be a very good ult choice just because it has already been used twice.
Yeah, but that's a super boring kit is the problem.
There's more a question of what do they want him to do. Like, what's his place in the game and style and all that. And when it comes to that, Varian seems to steal all his potential-Arms-Warrior thunder.
You may see things like "Arms" "Fury" and "Protection" when it comes to warriors. In World of Warcraft, those were the 3 specs a warrior could go into.
OK, OK! Back on point here people! Let's start guessing how Garrosh will play in the Nexus.
Edit: I was going to go first but realized I already did way back before Garrosh was announced. Went with a whole weapon equipping angle. Not gonna go find it though.
Yeah I'm moving on as well so, let's break it down!
As a warrior, I look at Muradin and Varian who kind of monopolized a lot of the iconic stuff. Also Sonya was given the abilities Whirlwind and Heroic Leap. They could try and give him a Hearthstone angle but ... I don't know if they'd go with something openly 4th wall like that? Don't know.
I'd like to think that Garrosh will be a tank as it seems too juicy to pass up with a full ORC Party (We had Rexxar here before but Misha isn't an ORC and carried Rexxar on her big brown shoulders). So we could still get some Tank abilities despite him using a two handed weapon, maybe? Shield Slam is an option (rename it). I'd like to think they'll give him Rage instead of Mana, but that bums me out since I'm hoping for Broll/Bear Tank eventually.
I'm actually really struggling to think where they're going to take him that hasn't been covered so if nothing else, I'm straight curious how this shakes out.
assuming that he was chosen due to hearthstone recognition i could see him being a more traditional warrior given the hero power there. gorehowl doesn't really see play to my knowledge and i don't think HS really ties it to garrosh in any way regardless, at least not more so than any other weapon. however i think he fits more as a bruiser or assassin. they could go the shout based route and have a warrior with a bunch of buffs/debuffs
i have zero idea what his raid encounter was like
If you have no idea what his raid encounter was like you should count yourself fortunate. My raid group had over 100 wipes on him and if I close my eyes I can still replay every moment of that fight. Each attempt took 10+ minutes and I have plenty of steam games that I started and finished that took less time than I spent on that stupid fight. And it was a stupid fight that I grew to hate somewhere around wipe 40-50. I know no one likes wiping and it was a impressive looking fight but it also was a major pain when you're struggling on it.
It started out with you fighting normal orc garrosh and his nazi orc friends. With charactic orc intelligence, you also have some orcs who think it would be a great idea to unleash giant iron explosive wheel across the room which you need to use to kill off garroshs sycophants. Of course if one of your raiders stands in the path of an iron star, they'll instantly die and you might as well call for a wipe at that point as you don't want to to waste a br 2 minutes into the easy phase of a 10 minute fight. Your ranged and healers are also doing a sort of dance to deal with desecrated weapons that garrosh is throwing out. You need to move as a group and quickly burn down the weapon otherwise you run out of safe areas before the raid is over.
That's the boring easy phase, eventually you beat his whining brown ass down to 0% and he does what every orc does when faced with a minor obstacle, find the nearest sorce of corruption and drink deeply. In this case it's, the sha that he brought back from pandaria and he goes into phase 2. I'd like to emphasize that despite what others have said above that this is not a corruption arc. Garrosh isn't led astray by the sha evil influence, he's a bastard that goes and digs it up in the first place and then tries to mainline dead old god for kicks.
You goes into another mini-zone and this is where the real fight starts. You need to race through the mini-zone to stop him from gaining energy. As he gains more and more energy, he starts empowering his abilities which become more difficult to deal with. Players get mind controlled and need to be interrupted, nasty adds spawn during his wirlwind ability, you stop being able to destroy the desecrated weapons and it gets worse and worse. You get sent back to the mini zone after a certain amount of time and he keeps gaining energy. What I don't like about this fight is that the solution to all of that isn't to do the mechanics better or come up with some involved strategy, it's to hit the boss harder until you only have a single phase transition with the minizone. Just drop healers to the bare minimum and replace all your low dps with better ones and suddenly the fight goes from nearly impossible to doable. All the mechanics and abilities are really a distraction from the fact that you just need to hit the boss harder to make him fall over.
yeah it's hard for me to imagine garrosh having a particularly unique kit next to Varian, Sonya, Alarak, Artanis, Butcher, and even Zeratul, all of whom have moves that I feel like are gonna wind up being something he might have.
Which isn't necessarily the end of the world, kits don't have to be crazy different to be fun to play, but as a product they're selling to me I'm also not gonna fall over myself to pick something up that's only nuancedly different from other things I can play.
yeah it's hard for me to imagine garrosh having a particularly unique kit next to Varian, Sonya, Alarak, Artanis, Butcher, and even Zeratul, all of whom have moves that I feel like are gonna wind up being something he might have.
Which isn't necessarily the end of the world, kits don't have to be crazy different to be fun to play, but as a product they're selling to me I'm also not gonna fall over myself to pick something up that's only nuancedly different from other things I can play.
i wouldn't mind a "greatest hits" mashup of those kits
I'll wait until we see his kit before final judgement but 0 interest for now.
I am hoping (but not predicting) they lean into the expectations we have of him based on Hearthstone, involving idiotic amounts of armor and always having a Fiery War Axe.
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But that's not how the horde rolls. The horde post-WC3 is a collection of outcast races who grouped together for protection, not savage conquerers. Garrosh is antithetical to all of horde lore post wc2. Going and basically nuking theramore just because they were there chief among ridiculous choices made by blizzard for the character even inside the window you say is ok.
He lead the orcs back to their old WC1/2 ways, as if the whole grom kills mannoroth thing to free the orcs didn't even matter.
Garrosh is terrible.
Sure, they don't know or care of the history, usually.
You said they didn't even "notice that the classes have names." That's pretty much definitely not true
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Not really. The names are said, no one cares.
That asshole would have been depressed in Nagrand if your stupid ass hadn't come along and shown him your favorite WC3 cinematic.
archimonde destroying dalaran? or the opening one where horde vs alliance armies clash and the infernals start dropping?
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WC3 and Frozen Throne had a lot of really good cinematics...
I frankly can't pick a favourite
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No silly, he's talking about Arthas killing his father.
I assume Garrosh decided humans were shit after seeing what they did to their fathers and that's why he's so mean to them.
As someone who had to suffer through what they did to Illidan in TBC and the "Hush, Tyrande!" line from Malfurion, I'm going to concede this point and I'm sorry for what they did to a character you loved, dude.
i was considering posting that instead
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The best part of that cinematic and Arthas' arc generally is that he's constantly going "You know what? Screw it, all these people trying to talk me into doing the right thing just aren't willing to do what it takes." It's way more believable an arc than most of the CORRUPTION episodes are.
Arms warrior I was hoping for. So charge, hamstring, mortal strike, bladestorm etc.
But the in game lore is clearly that your favorite cinematic is Garrosh killing Mannoroth and then deciding that dodging is what babies do.
He at least finally did something other than whining and killing peasants.
Then the story jumps to Alternate Universe, and Grommash one-shot kills Mannaroth with an axe to the face in a completely different set of circumstances.
It was fated to end that way.
And he doesn't dodge in either of those cinematics.
Man, Grom is really one really dumb bastard, isn't he?
Yeah I'm moving on as well so, let's break it down!
As a warrior, I look at Muradin and Varian who kind of monopolized a lot of the iconic stuff. Also Sonya was given the abilities Whirlwind and Heroic Leap. They could try and give him a Hearthstone angle but ... I don't know if they'd go with something openly 4th wall like that? Don't know.
I'd like to think that Garrosh will be a tank as it seems too juicy to pass up with a full ORC Party (We had Rexxar here before but Misha isn't an ORC and carried Rexxar on her big brown shoulders). So we could still get some Tank abilities despite him using a two handed weapon, maybe? Shield Slam is an option (rename it). I'd like to think they'll give him Rage instead of Mana, but that bums me out since I'm hoping for Broll/Bear Tank eventually.
I'm actually really struggling to think where they're going to take him that hasn't been covered so if nothing else, I'm straight curious how this shakes out.
assuming that he was chosen due to hearthstone recognition i could see him being a more traditional warrior given the hero power there. gorehowl doesn't really see play to my knowledge and i don't think HS really ties it to garrosh in any way regardless, at least not more so than any other weapon. however i think he fits more as a bruiser or assassin. they could go the shout based route and have a warrior with a bunch of buffs/debuffs
i have zero idea what his raid encounter was like
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It was bizarre because he had fused with the heart of an old god and all that jazz. So unless he's like corrupted Garrosh, I don't see that being much. Shout could actually work, though but maybe he really will just be a bruiser/assassin.
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His WoW incarnations, from brief wiki research, seem to pretty consistently have had Shout buffs to provide at various points, so him getting a shout seems pretty likely.
He actually might bring me back to HoTs if he's like an Arms Warrior (I love the voice).
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I could see them going with something like Cleave and Sunder and Shout for a decent kit. Q for Cleave, it's a small arc in front of him for decent damage. W for Sunder with minor single target damage and an armor break debuff. E for Shout, and give him the ability to add like +10 to 15% damage to allies for a short time, or whatever a fair and balanced amount would be.
The other problem is that we already have Whirlwind on Sonya, Samuro has Bladestorm which is basically super fancy Whirlwind. So that wouldn't be a very good ult choice just because it has already been used twice.
Aw, Sonya should technically have shout buffs to be in line with the D2 barbarian.
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But that may be splitting hairs.
Yeah, but that's a super boring kit is the problem.
There's more a question of what do they want him to do. Like, what's his place in the game and style and all that. And when it comes to that, Varian seems to steal all his potential-Arms-Warrior thunder.
Basically means big two-hand weapon and big infrequent hits for lots of damage. That's sorta the fantasy anyway.
You may see things like "Arms" "Fury" and "Protection" when it comes to warriors. In World of Warcraft, those were the 3 specs a warrior could go into.
Arms= Big two handed weapon.
Fury = Dual Wielding
Prot = Sword and Board
If you have no idea what his raid encounter was like you should count yourself fortunate. My raid group had over 100 wipes on him and if I close my eyes I can still replay every moment of that fight. Each attempt took 10+ minutes and I have plenty of steam games that I started and finished that took less time than I spent on that stupid fight. And it was a stupid fight that I grew to hate somewhere around wipe 40-50. I know no one likes wiping and it was a impressive looking fight but it also was a major pain when you're struggling on it.
It started out with you fighting normal orc garrosh and his nazi orc friends. With charactic orc intelligence, you also have some orcs who think it would be a great idea to unleash giant iron explosive wheel across the room which you need to use to kill off garroshs sycophants. Of course if one of your raiders stands in the path of an iron star, they'll instantly die and you might as well call for a wipe at that point as you don't want to to waste a br 2 minutes into the easy phase of a 10 minute fight. Your ranged and healers are also doing a sort of dance to deal with desecrated weapons that garrosh is throwing out. You need to move as a group and quickly burn down the weapon otherwise you run out of safe areas before the raid is over.
That's the boring easy phase, eventually you beat his whining brown ass down to 0% and he does what every orc does when faced with a minor obstacle, find the nearest sorce of corruption and drink deeply. In this case it's, the sha that he brought back from pandaria and he goes into phase 2. I'd like to emphasize that despite what others have said above that this is not a corruption arc. Garrosh isn't led astray by the sha evil influence, he's a bastard that goes and digs it up in the first place and then tries to mainline dead old god for kicks.
You goes into another mini-zone and this is where the real fight starts. You need to race through the mini-zone to stop him from gaining energy. As he gains more and more energy, he starts empowering his abilities which become more difficult to deal with. Players get mind controlled and need to be interrupted, nasty adds spawn during his wirlwind ability, you stop being able to destroy the desecrated weapons and it gets worse and worse. You get sent back to the mini zone after a certain amount of time and he keeps gaining energy. What I don't like about this fight is that the solution to all of that isn't to do the mechanics better or come up with some involved strategy, it's to hit the boss harder until you only have a single phase transition with the minizone. Just drop healers to the bare minimum and replace all your low dps with better ones and suddenly the fight goes from nearly impossible to doable. All the mechanics and abilities are really a distraction from the fact that you just need to hit the boss harder to make him fall over.
Which isn't necessarily the end of the world, kits don't have to be crazy different to be fun to play, but as a product they're selling to me I'm also not gonna fall over myself to pick something up that's only nuancedly different from other things I can play.
i wouldn't mind a "greatest hits" mashup of those kits
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