Once I'm in the house and have a dedicated game room I'm considering getting the foam insert things for Zombicide minis and hanging them inside wood frames on the wall.
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When you're sleeving cards (Tokaido and its Crossroads expansion) and realize they no longer fit into their box inserts...
I'm a little bummed, but not enough to not sleeve them. I love the way the cards feel and look now encased in plastic. At least the Unearth cards fit perfectly.
Edit: Success! I had to move some things around and put the Crossroad characters in the base game box, but I got claimed victory in the end.
Is this the standard or deluxe edition?
It's the standard edition. The character card slots in both the original and expansion boxes were perfect for placing their respective sleeved cards. And then I just spread out the hero cards atop the base game insert. There was still enough room to put down the board and manual and have the box stay perfectly shut.
I've got Inis, Unearth, and Tokaido sleeved. I must sleeve more! The cards feel so nice in the hand with the plastic. Eldritch Horror and its Forsaken Lore expansion would be scary to do, though. I believe they collectively have more than 550 cards between them? Sweet mother...
Eldritch has a lot of non-standard card sizes, too.
Non standard? They're color coded...?
Well. Some of them are smaller than normal playing card sleeves, I mean.
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Today was good. We played Concordia and Ladies & Gentlemen, but traded out Inis for Chinatown.
I won Concordia and Chinatown, both for the second time ever. Yay me!
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
While packing my sister in law saw all the games and pretty much said the following, "Holy crap, how many games do you have that we haven't even played yet? We need to pick a day and play them all so we aren't learning them at 11pm like we end up usually doing."
I said, "I've been trying to get people to do that for years, but they don't want to learn new games."
So she agreed to try and set up something and actually be willing to learn games instead of playing Monikers, Resistance, or Codenames again for the nth time.
So yeah, hopefully after we move that will happen. She probably hasn't played about 1/3 or so of my collection. Maybe up to 1/2.
We also did the final case of Consulting Detective. We figured out who did it pretty early, but missed a vital detail that, while it didn't lose us any points, did mean we hadn't grasped the whole thing. I'm not sure there was a way to figure everything out, though.
I have had the expansions on order for over a month at my local boardgame store, but they are almost suicidally awful at fulfilling orders, so maybe I'll just pick them up from someone else. It's frustrating when you want to support a local store but they're just abysmal at exchanging money for goods and services.
I'm probably missing something not being a netrunner player, but what's mind-blowing about a new base set comprised of already existing cards?
A few things:
1) The game's been stagnant for a while. No new announcements for a very long time, and it has been a hard sell to new players.
2) This new set has been completely rebalanced - apparently Damon Stone did a shit-ton of work in building it.
3) This means a new rulebook, which the game needs.
4) This means they can retire a ton of problem cards from the original core in organized play, shaking up the meta something fierce (as core cards are "evergreen").
How many cores do you have to buy to get playsets?
It's still going to be 3 for a complete set. However, the balance is a lot better value-wise. In the original core, there were 11 cards that were one-ofs, with 7 of them really getting play. Now, there's like 29 cards, and they make more sense from a new player perspective.
How many cores do you have to buy to get playsets?
3 as is standard. Fuck FFG
Sounds like Damon Stone spent hundreds, if not thousands of man-hours to deliver a balanced product for both OP and playing the game out of a single core. He cited how Scorched Earth was a bad card for new players, for instance, because it could so quickly stop a player from enjoying the game, and some cards like the tutors are only one-ofs to make sure they are rare when learning the game.
But hey. You and I are on different sides of the fence when it comes to FFG's practices, so we likely won't agree on this.
FFG's business model is highly successful and that is fair
However whenever I observe their activities I often think "fuck you FFG" because they really do rinse the cash out of people
*Stares lovingly at Descent collection*
... It's an abusive relationship, really.
In fairness to FFG, 10 years ago I'd have used a lot more of the crap they've sold me; my life's not in a place where I can have a giant stack of Descent and another of Kingdom Death and another of Gloomhaven and play them all anymore, if it ever was.
I got into Netrunner for a while, but quickly soured on it. Not including x3 copies of every card in the core set (or at least having a "Deluxe Set" that offered them all) was a slap in the face. Combine that with dying way too much to kill Corp decks made me super salty. I ended up giving up on the game after less than a year.
I see they are going down the same path again with x3 cores so clearly they've learned nothing.
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I got into Netrunner for a while, but quickly soured on it. Not including x3 copies of every card in the core set (or at least having a "Deluxe Set" that offered them all) was a slap in the face. Combine that with dying way too much to kill Corp decks made me super salty. I ended up giving up on the game after less than a year.
I see they are going down the same path again with x3 cores so clearly they've learned nothing.
They killed the hardcore kill corp decks.
And there's no way they could afford to sell a full set for $40. This one is at least a lot better balanced.
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I think as far as casual play between friends goes the Core Set was totes fine, and my gut says this new one will probably be better for that. If you're building both players' decks, having a wider variety seems better than the consistency of having a full set of everything. And I didn't manage to get out and play all that much against people with their own collections, but the few times I did my decks built (almost entirely? it's been a while) out of the core did more than decently.
Now if you're talking tournaments or something then yeah I assume you'd want to be buying more stuff, but at that point you'd be looking beyond the core anyway.
Well this core set announcement has killed my budding desire to get back into netrunner.
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Speaking of GLOOMHAVEN, shipping update today that appears to have been written in Prothean because I needed Liara T'Soni to help me translate it. As best she can determine, American copies should arrive in November. I suspect they want to have them here by PAX Unplugged. I guess ?
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Excited to (potentially) finish up the last session of Pandemic Legacy this week. Have definitely, definitely gotten the money's worth out of this one, even if it's something we can't play again afterwards. Best value board game purchase I've ever made by far, short of maybe Dominion.
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Damon Stone on the Revised Core:
I don't think I lied about anything regarding this project. It was something Lukas Litzsinger and I had been on about for a long while. We had finally cooked up a plan that we thought might be able to sell the execs on it. It was Lukas who did the presentation and I fielded questions and together we managed to sway them. I then spent a LOT of time trying to make an actual product that they would sign off on once Lukas sold them on the need.
Michael Boggs was the one who over saw the final development of the product, and is probably largely responsible for it getting announced now.
A real team effort. I know that when we're behind the monolithic double F logo it seems like we don't care and maybe even take you guys for granted, nothing can be further from the truth. We love this and every other game we design and develop for, but when you work for a company there is always a very large team of people behind every product and every decision and it takes time to affect change. None of us are perfect but we will do everything we can to make the best games we can.
I got into Netrunner for a while, but quickly soured on it. Not including x3 copies of every card in the core set (or at least having a "Deluxe Set" that offered them all) was a slap in the face. Combine that with dying way too much to kill Corp decks made me super salty. I ended up giving up on the game after less than a year.
I see they are going down the same path again with x3 cores so clearly they've learned nothing.
They killed the hardcore kill corp decks.
And there's no way they could afford to sell a full set for $40. This one is at least a lot better balanced.
Nice that they killed off the kill decks, because I would insta-concede against any Jinteki deck. I think what finally broke me was back-to-back games against kill decks where I ran and died in three turns, then didn't run and died in 6 turns. No more for me thanks.
They don't have to sell a full set for $40, just give players the option for everything in a Deluxe Set for $60 or whatever. Throw in some collectible bits or whatever to sweeten the deal.
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I got into Netrunner for a while, but quickly soured on it. Not including x3 copies of every card in the core set (or at least having a "Deluxe Set" that offered them all) was a slap in the face. Combine that with dying way too much to kill Corp decks made me super salty. I ended up giving up on the game after less than a year.
I see they are going down the same path again with x3 cores so clearly they've learned nothing.
They killed the hardcore kill corp decks.
And there's no way they could afford to sell a full set for $40. This one is at least a lot better balanced.
Nice that they killed off the kill decks, because I would insta-concede against any Jinteki deck. I think what finally broke me was back-to-back games against kill decks where I ran and died in three turns, then didn't run and died in 6 turns. No more for me thanks.
They don't have to sell a full set for $40, just give players the option for everything in a Deluxe Set for $60 or whatever. Throw in some collectible bits or whatever to sweeten the deal.
Yeah, I think the main thing is that with any of their core sets there's going to be stuff you don't need when buying multiples.
In the case of Netrunner, couldn't they just do a data pack or whatever with the same cards as the core but none of the extra stuff you don't need multiples of? You'd still end up buying two of the pack to complete the sets, of course.
I get the idea behind a new core, I really do. I get that they want to escape some of their initial fucked up balance decisions.
But having to buy 3x of the core once already sucked, but hey, it was an investment I made that I'd never need to do again. And it was already daunting enough mathing out the cost of the data packs to catch back up.
But now I'll need to do 3x core again?
I might as well just play L5R, or get an entirely new boardgame or three at that point. Gah.
I get the idea behind a new core, I really do. I get that they want to escape some of their initial fucked up balance decisions.
But having to buy 3x of the core once already sucked, but hey, it was an investment I made that I'd never need to do again. And it was already daunting enough mathing out the cost of the data packs to catch back up.
But now I'll need to do 3x core again?
I might as well just play L5R, or get an entirely new boardgame or three at that point. Gah.
Depends. Do you own the two original cycles?
If so, and you already have a single old core, you'll probably be fine with a single of the new one. The new core seems to be pretty good at topping up a old one to 3x of those cards that came back.
If you don't own those cycles, getting a couple of the new cores is actually cheaper than going back and buying those cycles.
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I get the idea behind a new core, I really do. I get that they want to escape some of their initial fucked up balance decisions.
But having to buy 3x of the core once already sucked, but hey, it was an investment I made that I'd never need to do again. And it was already daunting enough mathing out the cost of the data packs to catch back up.
But now I'll need to do 3x core again?
I might as well just play L5R, or get an entirely new boardgame or three at that point. Gah.
Depends. Do you own the two original cycles?
If so, and you already have a single old core, you'll probably be fine with a single of the new one. The new core seems to be pretty good at topping up a old one to 3x of those cards that came back.
If you don't own those cycles, getting a couple of the new cores is actually cheaper than going back and buying those cycles.
I've got 3x Original Core, and every card released up until The Source.
I get the idea behind a new core, I really do. I get that they want to escape some of their initial fucked up balance decisions.
But having to buy 3x of the core once already sucked, but hey, it was an investment I made that I'd never need to do again. And it was already daunting enough mathing out the cost of the data packs to catch back up.
But now I'll need to do 3x core again?
I might as well just play L5R, or get an entirely new boardgame or three at that point. Gah.
Depends. Do you own the two original cycles?
If so, and you already have a single old core, you'll probably be fine with a single of the new one. The new core seems to be pretty good at topping up a old one to 3x of those cards that came back.
If you don't own those cycles, getting a couple of the new cores is actually cheaper than going back and buying those cycles.
I've got 3x Original Core, and every card released up until The Source.
You would have to buy no new cores, then, since you've already got a full playset of everything that's in there. There's no new cards in the Revised core, everything that's "new" is pulled from Genesis and Spin and was going to rotate out. Unless you want the new art.
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Yeah. It's actually pretty bold on their part - existing players won't have any reason to buy the new set.
Yeah, the core is almost entirely for new players. For old, existing players who already bought everything they just need to know what cards are still legal and what cards aren't.
Well, we tried Pandemonium last night, the Spanish/English homage to 80's and 90's horror films and... ya know, I didn't hate it. It was goofy fun. It was a pretty basic dudes on a map game that required quite a bit of strategy to get through even the opening mission.
Pandemonium is a game about a metric fuckton of horror stereotype hero sorts in a terrible alternate dimension trying to find the Lord of Evil and kill him then wipe each other out so that one of them can take his place (as they all have terrible terrible backstories). We started out with Sara Conner, Reagan McNeill and Generic Preacher trying to get some oars to a boat or a battery to a car so they could get out of the cabin from Evil Dead since "God" had woken up and was slowly coming after us. If "God" enters your space you die (not permanent in this mission anyway but it does reset your character which blows as there's 4 skill trees you can advacne up by killing monsters and exploring alternate dimensions).
Now, the oars were in a separate out-building next to us and the car was kitty corner in another but both the battery and the boat itself were in the boathouse which was currently infested with a Sharknado. Both the Sharknado and "God" were boss monsters which are unkillable. "God" was brutal but only moves one space a turn; Sharknado doesn't move at all but attacks everything on the entire tile with a 7 (!) point attack at the end of every turn.
Anyway we played twice, died incredibly quickly the first time as we spread out and got swarmed by monsters (including Sadako and a mass of Critters and Chucky dolls) but highlights include Sarah Conner armed with Cujo on a chain hook, Generic Preacher weilding a lawnmower and the haunted television from Poltergeist and Reagan constantly trying to run and faceplanting while using the Screaming Sphere from Phantasm.
So yeah, VERY goofy. And everyone pretty much said they didn't like it but after the game we sat for a good 30 minutes going over alternate strategies and looking at the other characters and sussing out what they'd be good for. All in all I think it's a good game that DESPERATELY needs a rules re-write.
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Well. Some of them are smaller than normal playing card sleeves, I mean.
I won Concordia and Chinatown, both for the second time ever. Yay me!
I said, "I've been trying to get people to do that for years, but they don't want to learn new games."
So she agreed to try and set up something and actually be willing to learn games instead of playing Monikers, Resistance, or Codenames again for the nth time.
So yeah, hopefully after we move that will happen. She probably hasn't played about 1/3 or so of my collection. Maybe up to 1/2.
I have had the expansions on order for over a month at my local boardgame store, but they are almost suicidally awful at fulfilling orders, so maybe I'll just pick them up from someone else. It's frustrating when you want to support a local store but they're just abysmal at exchanging money for goods and services.
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Not that it's a big deal or anything, or that the forums are blowing up as a result, but..
*cough*
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/9/11/boot-up-and-run/
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/9/11/system-refresh/
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/00/9c/009c2fa5-a0c2-402a-acf3-6e051613e4ca/adn49_cardlist.pdf
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/9/11/sovereign-sight/
Goddamn. If FFG had announced this at GenCon, it would have blown everyone's minds. I know why they didn't (the focus was on L5R), but still!
A few things:
1) The game's been stagnant for a while. No new announcements for a very long time, and it has been a hard sell to new players.
2) This new set has been completely rebalanced - apparently Damon Stone did a shit-ton of work in building it.
3) This means a new rulebook, which the game needs.
4) This means they can retire a ton of problem cards from the original core in organized play, shaking up the meta something fierce (as core cards are "evergreen").
3 as is standard. Fuck FFG
It's still going to be 3 for a complete set. However, the balance is a lot better value-wise. In the original core, there were 11 cards that were one-ofs, with 7 of them really getting play. Now, there's like 29 cards, and they make more sense from a new player perspective.
Full list of revised cards:
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/00/9c/009c2fa5-a0c2-402a-acf3-6e051613e4ca/adn49_cardlist.pdf
Sounds like Damon Stone spent hundreds, if not thousands of man-hours to deliver a balanced product for both OP and playing the game out of a single core. He cited how Scorched Earth was a bad card for new players, for instance, because it could so quickly stop a player from enjoying the game, and some cards like the tutors are only one-ofs to make sure they are rare when learning the game.
But hey. You and I are on different sides of the fence when it comes to FFG's practices, so we likely won't agree on this.
However whenever I observe their activities I often think "fuck you FFG" because they really do rinse the cash out of people
Base game->expansions->bloat->New streamlined edition!->repeat
*Stares lovingly at Descent collection*
... It's an abusive relationship, really.
*Plays Galaxy Trucker online*
In fairness to FFG, 10 years ago I'd have used a lot more of the crap they've sold me; my life's not in a place where I can have a giant stack of Descent and another of Kingdom Death and another of Gloomhaven and play them all anymore, if it ever was.
I see they are going down the same path again with x3 cores so clearly they've learned nothing.
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They killed the hardcore kill corp decks.
And there's no way they could afford to sell a full set for $40. This one is at least a lot better balanced.
Now if you're talking tournaments or something then yeah I assume you'd want to be buying more stuff, but at that point you'd be looking beyond the core anyway.
Nice that they killed off the kill decks, because I would insta-concede against any Jinteki deck. I think what finally broke me was back-to-back games against kill decks where I ran and died in three turns, then didn't run and died in 6 turns. No more for me thanks.
They don't have to sell a full set for $40, just give players the option for everything in a Deluxe Set for $60 or whatever. Throw in some collectible bits or whatever to sweeten the deal.
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Yeah, I think the main thing is that with any of their core sets there's going to be stuff you don't need when buying multiples.
In the case of Netrunner, couldn't they just do a data pack or whatever with the same cards as the core but none of the extra stuff you don't need multiples of? You'd still end up buying two of the pack to complete the sets, of course.
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But having to buy 3x of the core once already sucked, but hey, it was an investment I made that I'd never need to do again. And it was already daunting enough mathing out the cost of the data packs to catch back up.
But now I'll need to do 3x core again?
I might as well just play L5R, or get an entirely new boardgame or three at that point. Gah.
Depends. Do you own the two original cycles?
If so, and you already have a single old core, you'll probably be fine with a single of the new one. The new core seems to be pretty good at topping up a old one to 3x of those cards that came back.
If you don't own those cycles, getting a couple of the new cores is actually cheaper than going back and buying those cycles.
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I've got 3x Original Core, and every card released up until The Source.
You would have to buy no new cores, then, since you've already got a full playset of everything that's in there. There's no new cards in the Revised core, everything that's "new" is pulled from Genesis and Spin and was going to rotate out. Unless you want the new art.
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Yeah. It's actually pretty bold on their part - existing players won't have any reason to buy the new set.
Yeah, the core is almost entirely for new players. For old, existing players who already bought everything they just need to know what cards are still legal and what cards aren't.
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It's hardly that big a deal. We knew sets were rotating out so a new starter pack was expected.
Pandemonium is a game about a metric fuckton of horror stereotype hero sorts in a terrible alternate dimension trying to find the Lord of Evil and kill him then wipe each other out so that one of them can take his place (as they all have terrible terrible backstories). We started out with Sara Conner, Reagan McNeill and Generic Preacher trying to get some oars to a boat or a battery to a car so they could get out of the cabin from Evil Dead since "God" had woken up and was slowly coming after us. If "God" enters your space you die (not permanent in this mission anyway but it does reset your character which blows as there's 4 skill trees you can advacne up by killing monsters and exploring alternate dimensions).
Now, the oars were in a separate out-building next to us and the car was kitty corner in another but both the battery and the boat itself were in the boathouse which was currently infested with a Sharknado. Both the Sharknado and "God" were boss monsters which are unkillable. "God" was brutal but only moves one space a turn; Sharknado doesn't move at all but attacks everything on the entire tile with a 7 (!) point attack at the end of every turn.
Anyway we played twice, died incredibly quickly the first time as we spread out and got swarmed by monsters (including Sadako and a mass of Critters and Chucky dolls) but highlights include Sarah Conner armed with Cujo on a chain hook, Generic Preacher weilding a lawnmower and the haunted television from Poltergeist and Reagan constantly trying to run and faceplanting while using the Screaming Sphere from Phantasm.
So yeah, VERY goofy. And everyone pretty much said they didn't like it but after the game we sat for a good 30 minutes going over alternate strategies and looking at the other characters and sussing out what they'd be good for. All in all I think it's a good game that DESPERATELY needs a rules re-write.
The Kickstarter of Evolution is now available!
I got to play the demo over the weekend, its fucking sweet.
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