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I actually don't think the show took a side on the time travel conflict. Malloy was portrayed really sympathetically and his appeals were legitimate. None of Mercer's arguments against him particularly hit home, and a lot of it was very emotional, driven by fear, and not particularly empathetic. It sounded like every character was reaching for moral clarity in a situation where there was none to be had.
More than anything it really drove home the existential horror of time travel for everybody.
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How worried is FamilyGordon going to be? Once they leave to go back in time to pick him up in the forest and he doesn't cease to exist wouldn't he just keep living his life like a normal person albeit with a new hatred for his former best friend? I don't think he'd go full supervillan and try to upset the timeline out of spite... Unless they're explicitly trying to set up a evil twin mirror universe... And that's how the Kaylon know the Orville has a time travel device.
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From Mercer's perspective, once he went and picked up 2015 Gordon, 2025 Gordon ceased to exist. Mercer isn't really sure if that's the case but when he left, that is what he assumed. There's no way to revisit that reality.
I don't think 2025 Gordon would hold a grudge since if he continues to exist, that's all he ever wanted in the first place.
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How worried is FamilyGordon going to be? Once they leave to go back in time to pick him up in the forest and he doesn't cease to exist wouldn't he just keep living his life like a normal person albeit with a new hatred for his former best friend? I don't think he'd go full supervillan and try to upset the timeline out of spite... Unless they're explicitly trying to set up a evil twin mirror universe... And that's how the Kaylon know the Orville has a time travel device.
FamilyGordon apparently knows or has access to enough technical knowledge to make an FTL message attuned to a specific speed so as to arrive at a specific point in the galaxy just for the Orville to hear the message, and he was able to do it while spending three months in near-total isolation with almost no resources. After Ed does his little power trip, FamilyGordon would probably pull out all the stops to create a future where nobody is coming back to threaten his family, and he's got the knowhow to reeeeaaaallly fuck up the timeline if he actually wanted to.
And FamilyGordon could very well reason that his family continues to exist because he decided, in that moment, that wouldn't give the slightest damn about the future if it meant his family was okay. In other words, Ed pushed him so far that FamilyGordon thinks the Orville second trip didn't happen specifically because FamilyGordon decides to mess with the timeline so much.
If I were FamilyGordon and saw that Ed and Kelly's "solution" was to bring the muscle to literally drag him back to the ship and nobody displayed even a glimmer of interest in defending me, yeah, I'd probably go "fuck the future" too and go hog-wild with all the future tech I knew about.
My only fear is that you don't want to elevate technologically humans that haven't had a chance to grow and mature. They bothered with the little brother making mistakes speech while Gordon was driving. If future tech is introduced to early, you don't get the Union, you get Republicans in Spaaaaaace.
If they do mirror universe it will probably be the galactic empire/dystopia kind but I would love it to be a utopia where earth defeated the kaylon threat and unites the galaxy beating the Union at their own game.
FamilyGordon could also become founder of a Space/Time Corp since he is a displaced copy that wants to protect his family.
How worried is FamilyGordon going to be? Once they leave to go back in time to pick him up in the forest and he doesn't cease to exist wouldn't he just keep living his life like a normal person albeit with a new hatred for his former best friend? I don't think he'd go full supervillan and try to upset the timeline out of spite... Unless they're explicitly trying to set up a evil twin mirror universe... And that's how the Kaylon know the Orville has a time travel device.
FamilyGordon apparently knows or has access to enough technical knowledge to make an FTL message attuned to a specific speed so as to arrive at a specific point in the galaxy just for the Orville to hear the message, and he was able to do it while spending three months in near-total isolation with almost no resources. After Ed does his little power trip, FamilyGordon would probably pull out all the stops to create a future where nobody is coming back to threaten his family, and he's got the knowhow to reeeeaaaallly fuck up the timeline if he actually wanted to.
And FamilyGordon could very well reason that his family continues to exist because he decided, in that moment, that wouldn't give the slightest damn about the future if it meant his family was okay. In other words, Ed pushed him so far that FamilyGordon thinks the Orville second trip didn't happen specifically because FamilyGordon decides to mess with the timeline so much.
If I were FamilyGordon and saw that Ed and Kelly's "solution" was to bring the muscle to literally drag him back to the ship and nobody displayed even a glimmer of interest in defending me, yeah, I'd probably go "fuck the future" too and go hog-wild with all the future tech I knew about.
I fully agree but you could have just said the Malloys
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But doesnt he also need to make sure the timeline doesnt deviate too far from what happened in Prime Time since if he's never put in a position to go back in time he never has the life he's trying to lead so he needs the Union to form as it did?
But doesnt he also need to make sure the timeline doesnt deviate too far from what happened in Prime Time since if he's never put in a position to go back in time he never has the life he's trying to lead so he needs the Union to form as it did?
Nah. He's there now. He doesn't have to give a shit what happens in other timelines. He could be like Homer going back and killing everything he sees after trying super hard to not crush the fish.
Not if changes only spawn new timelines. If he doesn't vanish that means that his timeline is set and was created the moment he appeared in 2015 and he is not dependent on anything from his current timeline. Anything Malloy does will also not affect the Orville that went to 2015.
But we don't know which time travelling mechanic the writers are using.
The appearance of an egg salad sandwich in 3 months will be very important to map the timelines I think.
I’m fairly confidant this will all come back to bite them. The show has proven remarkably consistent on not hand waving away past episodes and having consequences coming back. Hell this very episode is essentially third in a series going back to the first.
Yeah, this episode will lead into other stuff for sure.
My first thought was that the Kaylons showing up just before the Orville was proof that their time machine shenanigans are already bigger than they realize. I took it to mean the Kaylons have information from the future that they needed to stop the Union from developing time travel tech, so they went to the first known origin of the tech: the research space station.
ok going back to the malloy episode, did we just gloss over (i'm so bad at names) security strong woman and main engineer guy making out in front of everyone?
ok going back to the malloy episode, did we just gloss over (i'm so bad at names) security strong woman and main engineer guy making out in front of everyone?
I do like Charly getting knocked down a notch by the emotion Kaylon by telling her exactly how awful it was being an enslaved Kaylon and why they had no choice in what they did
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I do like Charly getting knocked down a notch by the emotion Kaylon by telling her exactly how awful it was being an enslaved Kaylon and why they had no choice in what they did
I enjoyed
the kaylon stuff a lot in this episode, although I was wondering if they would be brave enough to introduce a change as big as having Isaac feel from now on, and felt disappointed when they didn't
But, the dynamic of having the kaylon possibly split into old gen feeling kaylon and new gen unfeeling kaylon might be interesting, and if they go that way that might have been worth this "loss"
I really don't want another moclan like species to get more screen time about their bigotry and them coming to terms with not being assholes
But then again, maybe they're building up a sort of mirroring here..
The moclan and this new species are bigoted about their own species, and the story could develop in the direction of the kaylon becoming bigots in a similar way between feeling and unfeeling kaylon, leading to them maybe understanding that biologicals are much closer to them than they ever imagined
This was the first episode that felt like something from the first two seasons, and therefore the first episode I actually enjoyed. It actually had multiple plots going on that all mattered! And jokes!
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Should have just worn that high gravity suit from the last season... just with a crotch cut out and an extra helmet for his helmet.
Well, I guess when his gear snaps clean off in two seconds, he won't have to worry about all the broken bones. So I guess it's an improvement? Wait, you'd have to walk to medbay in a space suit while holding a handful of... yourself, while bleeding profusely from the groin. Which is a lot worse than showing up naked with a fistful of your own teeth. So between the horror and traumatic life-threatening injury, a debatable solution.
The solution is pretty obvious to me: simulator. It can simulate physical contact already and has safety interlocks preventing physical harm, just have code it up so that it dials down Talla's strength. She shouldn't even notice if it's calibrated right because she should only feel resistance when touching Lamarr, but the fields keep her from hitting him with too much strength. Barring that, the simulator creates a holographic duplicate of the other partner, puts them in separate rooms, and uses the safeties to prevent harm; the fake Lamarr could be made too tough for Talla to injure, and the fake Talla couldn't use enough strength to hurt Lamarr.
Once again proving that holodeck sex is the solution to all problems in the universe.
Except, of course, for the problem of having to clean it:
Transporters exist. Just beam any matter that is in the holodecks but shouldn't be into space. And if it happens to catch Phil who keeps using the holodeck without logging that he's using it...well Phil got what Phil earned.
Except, of course, for the problem of having to clean it:
It seems to me that if you've got the bio filter media accessible from the interior of the holodeck, you could create a hologram to clean the deck, and then have it beamed to recycling or converted into energy or whatever.
I thought that cleaning the holodeck was a punitive duty.
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Sadly for the setting of Orville, they don't have transporters so cleaning the simulator probably goes to an ensign with a wink and advice to "get every nook and cranny because this room has gotten every nook and cranny".
Sadly for the setting of Orville, they don't have transporters so cleaning the simulator probably goes to an ensign with a wink and advice to "get every nook and cranny because this room has gotten every nook and cranny".
Going by the Bortus porn episode porn on the pretendo deck seems to be a black market thing
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Sadly for the setting of Orville, they don't have transporters so cleaning the simulator probably goes to an ensign with a wink and advice to "get every nook and cranny because this room has gotten every nook and cranny".
Going by the Bortus porn episode porn on the pretendo deck seems to be a black market thing
Lower Decks, again:
"… Ugh. People really use it for that?"
"Oh yeah. It's mostly that."
Sadly for the setting of Orville, they don't have transporters so cleaning the simulator probably goes to an ensign with a wink and advice to "get every nook and cranny because this room has gotten every nook and cranny".
Going by the Bortus porn episode porn on the pretendo deck seems to be a black market thing
Bortus was using it for porn without going to the black market stuff. He'd been doing it for a long time when he downloaded the Moclan orgy garden and got a virus on the ship.
Edit: honestly I don't even think he *needed* to go to the black market, I imagine it exists because nobody wants their name on the requisition form for Xeleyan Love Slave #7, not because you can't just get it through proper channels.
Sadly for the setting of Orville, they don't have transporters so cleaning the simulator probably goes to an ensign with a wink and advice to "get every nook and cranny because this room has gotten every nook and cranny".
Going by the Bortus porn episode porn on the pretendo deck seems to be a black market thing
Bortus was using it for porn without going to the black market stuff. He'd been doing it for a long time when he downloaded the Moclan orgy garden and got a virus on the ship.
Edit: honestly I don't even think he *needed* to go to the black market, I imagine it exists because nobody wants their name on the requisition form for Xeleyan Love Slave #7, not because you can't just get it through proper channels.
yeah he clearly went through the whole catalogue of Moclan porn they had on board and decided to hit up space Kazaa... is Kazaa still a thing? Limewire?
Well what ever the kids are using to download a 'Massage Freaks' beta.
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More than anything it really drove home the existential horror of time travel for everybody.
I don't think 2025 Gordon would hold a grudge since if he continues to exist, that's all he ever wanted in the first place.
FamilyGordon apparently knows or has access to enough technical knowledge to make an FTL message attuned to a specific speed so as to arrive at a specific point in the galaxy just for the Orville to hear the message, and he was able to do it while spending three months in near-total isolation with almost no resources. After Ed does his little power trip, FamilyGordon would probably pull out all the stops to create a future where nobody is coming back to threaten his family, and he's got the knowhow to reeeeaaaallly fuck up the timeline if he actually wanted to.
And FamilyGordon could very well reason that his family continues to exist because he decided, in that moment, that wouldn't give the slightest damn about the future if it meant his family was okay. In other words, Ed pushed him so far that FamilyGordon thinks the Orville second trip didn't happen specifically because FamilyGordon decides to mess with the timeline so much.
If I were FamilyGordon and saw that Ed and Kelly's "solution" was to bring the muscle to literally drag him back to the ship and nobody displayed even a glimmer of interest in defending me, yeah, I'd probably go "fuck the future" too and go hog-wild with all the future tech I knew about.
If they do mirror universe it will probably be the galactic empire/dystopia kind but I would love it to be a utopia where earth defeated the kaylon threat and unites the galaxy beating the Union at their own game.
FamilyGordon could also become founder of a Space/Time Corp since he is a displaced copy that wants to protect his family.
I fully agree but you could have just said the Malloys
Nah. He's there now. He doesn't have to give a shit what happens in other timelines. He could be like Homer going back and killing everything he sees after trying super hard to not crush the fish.
But we don't know which time travelling mechanic the writers are using.
The appearance of an egg salad sandwich in 3 months will be very important to map the timelines I think.
Yeah, this episode will lead into other stuff for sure.
My first thought was that the Kaylons showing up just before the Orville was proof that their time machine shenanigans are already bigger than they realize. I took it to mean the Kaylons have information from the future that they needed to stop the Union from developing time travel tech, so they went to the first known origin of the tech: the research space station.
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Just watch the next episode.
There are certainly... ramifications.
I enjoyed
But, the dynamic of having the kaylon possibly split into old gen feeling kaylon and new gen unfeeling kaylon might be interesting, and if they go that way that might have been worth this "loss"
But then again, maybe they're building up a sort of mirroring here..
The moclan and this new species are bigoted about their own species, and the story could develop in the direction of the kaylon becoming bigots in a similar way between feeling and unfeeling kaylon, leading to them maybe understanding that biologicals are much closer to them than they ever imagined
One man could have saved him
Well, I guess when his gear snaps clean off in two seconds, he won't have to worry about all the broken bones. So I guess it's an improvement? Wait, you'd have to walk to medbay in a space suit while holding a handful of... yourself, while bleeding profusely from the groin. Which is a lot worse than showing up naked with a fistful of your own teeth. So between the horror and traumatic life-threatening injury, a debatable solution.
The solution is pretty obvious to me: simulator. It can simulate physical contact already and has safety interlocks preventing physical harm, just have code it up so that it dials down Talla's strength. She shouldn't even notice if it's calibrated right because she should only feel resistance when touching Lamarr, but the fields keep her from hitting him with too much strength. Barring that, the simulator creates a holographic duplicate of the other partner, puts them in separate rooms, and uses the safeties to prevent harm; the fake Lamarr could be made too tough for Talla to injure, and the fake Talla couldn't use enough strength to hurt Lamarr.
Once again proving that holodeck sex is the solution to all problems in the universe.
Transporters exist. Just beam any matter that is in the holodecks but shouldn't be into space. And if it happens to catch Phil who keeps using the holodeck without logging that he's using it...well Phil got what Phil earned.
It seems to me that if you've got the bio filter media accessible from the interior of the holodeck, you could create a hologram to clean the deck, and then have it beamed to recycling or converted into energy or whatever.
I thought that cleaning the holodeck was a punitive duty.
Going by the Bortus porn episode porn on the pretendo deck seems to be a black market thing
Lower Decks, again:
"… Ugh. People really use it for that?"
"Oh yeah. It's mostly that."
Bortus was using it for porn without going to the black market stuff. He'd been doing it for a long time when he downloaded the Moclan orgy garden and got a virus on the ship.
Edit: honestly I don't even think he *needed* to go to the black market, I imagine it exists because nobody wants their name on the requisition form for Xeleyan Love Slave #7, not because you can't just get it through proper channels.
yeah he clearly went through the whole catalogue of Moclan porn they had on board and decided to hit up space Kazaa... is Kazaa still a thing? Limewire?
Well what ever the kids are using to download a 'Massage Freaks' beta.
But damn, that was brutal, sad, and also hilarious.
*spits out teeth*
Claire could've totally done a Mordin and figured out a solution though, if only John had confided in her.
Also, Bortus...
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Oh yeah, my bad. Still, she'd probably have been able to solve this problem using what she learned from that one, though.
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