Neuromancer has plenty of issues but, like, it was his first novel? Super impressive. I should actually read more of his stuff. IIRC he's an interesting dude based on interviews.
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Neuromancer has plenty of issues but, like, it was his first novel? Super impressive. I should actually read more of his stuff. IIRC he's an interesting dude based on interviews.
It's one of the most impressive debut novels in all of SF.
Ready Player One and The Dresden Files both share the problem that their authors are unwilling to admit that the character's flaws are actually flaws. which is terrible, but also means that if you just sorta ignore it or convince yourself that they did admit it you can enjoy the book.
Not everyone sees the same flaws as everyone else.
You would be hard pressed to try and convince me that Dead Beat was somehow secretly a horrible book.
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The Fifth Element, and I think I've said this before, is pretty much the first science fiction film after Blade Runner to radically change the aesthetics of visual SF worlds. It was bright, colourful, fun and the style was utterly unlike the dim, grimy, rainy worlds of most SF at that time.
People in that world weren't depressed, or angry, or railing against the unfeeling system. They were having instant roast chicken and listening to Ruby Rhod and having sex and having odd slapstick interludes with Lee Evans.
Yeah Fifth Element despite it being about the end of the world, is a very optimistic universe. Like Corbin Dallas is annoyed with his life style, but he's not like depressed or sad.
For me its the Panem capital but only showing the panem capital. Imagine the hunger games if only shown from the capital's point of view. It would still have the creepy AF kids killing each other but its all wrapped in fake glitter and wealth. That is the majority of the world you go through in 5th element. And it doesnt disqualify it because of it. IMHO.
I mean it seams like it's just a more densly populated earth, but it doesn't seam to be a dread or panem. It's not really a topia in any regard.
Neuromancer has plenty of issues but, like, it was his first novel? Super impressive. I should actually read more of his stuff. IIRC he's an interesting dude based on interviews.
It's one of the most impressive debut novels in all of SF.
I'm still disappointed that I chose it for my book club to read last year and they universally hated it.
Neuromancer has plenty of issues but, like, it was his first novel? Super impressive. I should actually read more of his stuff. IIRC he's an interesting dude based on interviews.
Every Gibson book is fun to read and delightfully well-written. He is so stylish...
I suspect you might prefer the 'future from the '00s ' series--Pattern Recognition, Spook Country, Zero History--to the 'future from the 80s' or 'future from the 90s' series (neuromancer, count zero, mona lisa overdrive; virtual light, idoru, all tomorrow's parties). The Peripheral is cool, too.
Neuromancer has plenty of issues but, like, it was his first novel? Super impressive. I should actually read more of his stuff. IIRC he's an interesting dude based on interviews.
It's one of the most impressive debut novels in all of SF.
Agreed, and I think it's partly because sci fi isn't exactly known for its lush, vivid prose (which is what really struck me in Neuromancer, and I did not expect it)
Neuromancer started off really well before devolving into boring shit
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I mean, does it get more interesting in the final third? I dropped it in the middle because the part of the book that I really liked — that first chase sequence — ended super abruptly and nothing after that moment really caught my attention.
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I haven't actually read RPO or seen a Transformers movie all the way through except the cartoon one, so I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, but I've read or seen excerpts, and I don't think either turns into a masterpiece outside of those excerpts, so I'm happy to say they're terrible anyway.
Well, you know as well as I do excerpts can be taken way out of context though. Books and movies turn as much on how the pieces are put together as the pieces themselves.
God could you imagine trying to explain how awesome Flash Gordon is if you just read a few lines of the script to them.
Neuromancer started off really well before devolving into boring shit
you shut your whore mouth
I mean, does it get more interesting in the final third? I dropped it in the middle because the part of the book that I really liked — that first chase sequence — ended super abruptly and nothing after that moment really caught my attention.
I also question whether the millennial "tone" is bright, poppy, and optimistic; I'd have been more likely to peg it as nihilistic absurdism
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
Neuromancer started off really well before devolving into boring shit
you shut your whore mouth
I mean, does it get more interesting in the final third? I dropped it in the middle because the part of the book that I really liked — that first chase sequence — ended super abruptly and nothing after that moment really caught my attention.
The plot continues. The somewhat weak characterization and overuse of jargon continues. Still a decent book though.
The ending of Neuromancer was beautiful and interesting to me even if it got a bit like Henry James in that I couldn't *precisely* follow the plot but just enjoyed the scenes
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
The ending of Neuromancer was beautiful and interesting to me even if it got a bit like Henry James in that I couldn't *precisely* follow the plot but just enjoyed the scenes
Ready Player One and The Dresden Files both share the problem that their authors are unwilling to admit that the character's flaws are actually flaws. which is terrible, but also means that if you just sorta ignore it or convince yourself that they did admit it you can enjoy the book.
Not everyone sees the same flaws as everyone else.
You would be hard pressed to try and convince me that Dead Beat was somehow secretly a horrible book.
i don't mean flaws in the story, a bunch of them are pretty good. dead beat is an excellent romp. but Dresden has some shitty views about women and female characters can be really stereotypical. and Butcher is almost but not quite aware of it but that just makes it worse.
The characterization is much better in his later books, which is why I recommend them to people who maybe don't just want to inject a pure dose of cyberpunk stylishness. Milgrim is a shell of a person who slowly comes back to himself in a moving way. Cayce has a whole arc of personal growth--that I completely missed on first read--in which she deals with anxiety and processes 9/11. Hollis figures out her personal life. The characters in The Peripheral, whose names completely escape me, are also quite well fleshed-out individuals who you are happy to root for (well, the one in our world for sure. The guy is kind of terrible but also kind of charming in his own way).
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@element brian did that work?
It's one of the most impressive debut novels in all of SF.
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you shut your whore mouth
Not everyone sees the same flaws as everyone else.
You would be hard pressed to try and convince me that Dead Beat was somehow secretly a horrible book.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
i have done so much work and it has only made time slower
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I think that's why its the best. Real cyberpunk is often way to up it's own butt.
guess I fked up last time then. I was on mobile so v possible
I'm still disappointed that I chose it for my book club to read last year and they universally hated it.
Fuck those guys, Gibson is excellent.
Every Gibson book is fun to read and delightfully well-written. He is so stylish...
I suspect you might prefer the 'future from the '00s ' series--Pattern Recognition, Spook Country, Zero History--to the 'future from the 80s' or 'future from the 90s' series (neuromancer, count zero, mona lisa overdrive; virtual light, idoru, all tomorrow's parties). The Peripheral is cool, too.
I read it shortly after reading Neuromancer for the first time, and I appreciated the amount of parody leveled at the genre
We shall fire on 10 paces.
Agreed, and I think it's partly because sci fi isn't exactly known for its lush, vivid prose (which is what really struck me in Neuromancer, and I did not expect it)
I mean, does it get more interesting in the final third? I dropped it in the middle because the part of the book that I really liked — that first chase sequence — ended super abruptly and nothing after that moment really caught my attention.
I think there's some strong dadaist undercurrents and similarities like the total rejection of the society we grew up in because we see it as silly and wrong and completely defeated by itself (throwing us knowingly into fucking endless and senseless war, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless Great Recession, throwing us knowingly into the endless and senseless assaults both micro- and macroscopic against the powerless, etc etc etc), and I think the core root of it (our response) is absurdism, how completely stupid the rules and baselines that older generations have constructed are
There are of course strains of optimism that can come out of such attempts at rebellion, the forging of new ideals and worldviews, but I think some of the brighter stuff can just be willful distraction
I prefer the utter surrealism and stupidity of the SNL Dear Sister skit and the modern internet at large
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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Well, you know as well as I do excerpts can be taken way out of context though. Books and movies turn as much on how the pieces are put together as the pieces themselves.
God could you imagine trying to explain how awesome Flash Gordon is if you just read a few lines of the script to them.
Yes. Vastly so imo
The two mice that scampered away in the kitchen
Well we finally understand cheeky nandos
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Within any generation there's only a small percentage that actually tries to affect change anyway.
There aren't any rose colored glasses for millennials though. We know this world sucks. We know it's always sucked. Without being fixated on returning to a fantasy maybe we'll do better.
The plot continues. The somewhat weak characterization and overuse of jargon continues. Still a decent book though.
I think the plot is very good but it isn't communicated as effectively as if should be.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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This is an apt comparison
i don't mean flaws in the story, a bunch of them are pretty good. dead beat is an excellent romp. but Dresden has some shitty views about women and female characters can be really stereotypical. and Butcher is almost but not quite aware of it but that just makes it worse.
Speaking of millennial nihilism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn:Cycle