Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'm wondering if the P3 characters won't be invoking themselves in the head anymore.
edit: it's nuts that they put the fem protag in this, because that means this is in every way better than the PSP upres they just sold to people! like lol wtf.
...I didn't see her in it?
Yeah I haven't played much P3 so I mixed her up with Yukari because they both have brown hair and red eyes. I guess red eyes are uh common in Persona world.
I thought she had red hair.
And red eyes are super common in anime-land.
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Namely, Persona 3 Reload appears to miss the additional content from Persona 3 FES and Persona 3 Portable, which includes the option to play as the female protagonist. In an interview with IGN, Persona 3 Reload producer Ryota Niitsuma and chief director Kazuhisa Wada confirmed that Persona 3 Reload only features content present in the original release of Persona 3.
"So first I'd like to mention that since the basic concept of the Persona 3 remake was to remake the Persona 3, we don't have the FES and Portable contents included," Niitsuma said. "We wanted to really genuinely work on recreating the Persona 3 experience."
Namely, Persona 3 Reload appears to miss the additional content from Persona 3 FES and Persona 3 Portable, which includes the option to play as the female protagonist. In an interview with IGN, Persona 3 Reload producer Ryota Niitsuma and chief director Kazuhisa Wada confirmed that Persona 3 Reload only features content present in the original release of Persona 3.
"So first I'd like to mention that since the basic concept of the Persona 3 remake was to remake the Persona 3, we don't have the FES and Portable contents included," Niitsuma said. "We wanted to really genuinely work on recreating the Persona 3 experience."
The amount of people who only played the original P3 instead of FES or P3P has to be such a tiny fraction. Even the number of people who've played it at all can't be that large. I know I started on the series with FES.
The amount of people who only played the original P3 instead of FES or P3P has to be such a tiny fraction. Even the number of people who've played it at all can't be that large. I know I started on the series with FES.
It was pretty large, and FES was divisive right from the jump, you had lots of people saying the Answer was trash(and it's not). I'm honestly not that surprised they didn't add it in.
A lot of people seem to be saying that no Answer or alternate MC means the new or changed social links, Elizabeth-stuff, and altered plot-details will definitely be there, somehow. Let's positive thinking, I suppose.
The Answer is character assassination and continuation of a story that didn't need one at all. But a remake of 3 should encompass everything about 3, not just the first version. That includes the female protagonist as an option.
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The Answer is character assassination and continuation of a story that didn't need one at all. But a remake of 3 should encompass everything about 3, not just the first version. That includes the female protagonist as an option.
It gave a lot of the characters an epilogue and closure, so I enjoyed it for that.
(It's also easily the most challenging P3 content, so there's that too.)
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Here's my story about my experience with the Answer.
It starts out with like a 30 minute cutscene. Then it throws you into a scripted battle. At this point, you have never had any control, never been able to set up your party, equip a persona, anything. And since this is the dark ages, I'm pretty sure there was no skipping or even text fast forward. Anyway, one on one scripted battle. The enemy attacks until you're under something like 30% HP, and then starts skipping its turns, making it unloseable. Except that the way it's scripted, it will only start skipping if you're under 30% HP at the end of one of your turns. So let's say you're at 40% HP, and it gets a critical hit. Oops, now you're at like 10% HP and it takes an extra turn, where it will just attack again and kill you. Game over. Reload your save. Your save that you never had a chance to make. Go back and watch the entire 30 fucking minute cutscene over again, asshole.
And that is why I never played the Answer.
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Here's my story about my experience with the Answer.
It starts out with like a 30 minute cutscene. Then it throws you into a scripted battle. At this point, you have never had any control, never been able to set up your party, equip a persona, anything. And since this is the dark ages, I'm pretty sure there was no skipping or even text fast forward. Anyway, one on one scripted battle. The enemy attacks until you're under something like 30% HP, and then starts skipping its turns, making it unloseable. Except that the way it's scripted, it will only start skipping if you're under 30% HP at the end of one of your turns. So let's say you're at 40% HP, and it gets a critical hit. Oops, now you're at like 10% HP and it takes an extra turn, where it will just attack again and kill you. Game over. Reload your save. Your save that you never had a chance to make. Go back and watch the entire 30 fucking minute cutscene over again, asshole.
On the one hand never having played as the male character it'll at least be a tiny bit interesting to see what the other side is like but
Are they going to include the other social links that came with P3P:FeMC? Will they be totally rewritten? Are they going to drop that one horrible transphobic scene?
Most of the reason I love 3 so much and the series at large is because of how rare it is to play as a female character and get to pursue relationships and friendships that feel as authentic as they do in P3P and I'm gonna be real bummed out if they just... never bring any of that back beyond that incredibly poor port
On the one hand never having played as the male character it'll at least be a tiny bit interesting to see what the other side is like but
Are they going to include the other social links that came with P3P:FeMC? Will they be totally rewritten? Are they going to drop that one horrible transphobic scene?
Most of the reason I love 3 so much and the series at large is because of how rare it is to play as a female character and get to pursue relationships and friendships that feel as authentic as they do in P3P and I'm gonna be real bummed out if they just... never bring any of that back beyond that incredibly poor port
They would have to rework them a lot to fit them in. They occupy all of the same gameplay-space as other segments.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Here's my story about my experience with the Answer.
It starts out with like a 30 minute cutscene. Then it throws you into a scripted battle. At this point, you have never had any control, never been able to set up your party, equip a persona, anything. And since this is the dark ages, I'm pretty sure there was no skipping or even text fast forward. Anyway, one on one scripted battle. The enemy attacks until you're under something like 30% HP, and then starts skipping its turns, making it unloseable. Except that the way it's scripted, it will only start skipping if you're under 30% HP at the end of one of your turns. So let's say you're at 40% HP, and it gets a critical hit. Oops, now you're at like 10% HP and it takes an extra turn, where it will just attack again and kill you. Game over. Reload your save. Your save that you never had a chance to make. Go back and watch the entire 30 fucking minute cutscene over again, asshole.
And that is why I never played the Answer.
The true SMT experience.
The amount of horror stories that amount to "And then I lost hours of playtime to unavoidable bullshit" have kept me far away from the SMT series outside of Persona.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
On the one hand never having played as the male character it'll at least be a tiny bit interesting to see what the other side is like but
Are they going to include the other social links that came with P3P:FeMC? Will they be totally rewritten? Are they going to drop that one horrible transphobic scene?
Most of the reason I love 3 so much and the series at large is because of how rare it is to play as a female character and get to pursue relationships and friendships that feel as authentic as they do in P3P and I'm gonna be real bummed out if they just... never bring any of that back beyond that incredibly poor port
They would have to rework them a lot to fit them in. They occupy all of the same gameplay-space as other segments.
They fit it onto a PSP disc, they can fit it into a home console video game.
My belief about why they aren't bringing the FeMC over because the staff is, depressingly, that some of the staff from the original aren't fans of how well-regarded changes were that they didn't have a hand in.
I mean I guess you don't have to rework anything you don't want to, but then you unlock Star in May and unlock Star in August, being rewarded Helel and then being rewarded Helel.
There’s been so many quality of life improvements and changes to how persona works since P3 that I dunno if I’ll pick up the remaster, especially after just having played through P3P earlier this year. P3P was even kind of a struggle to get through after 4 and 5.
P3 didn't give you a choice. If you wanted to max a S.Link with one of the girls you were forced to romance them. There was no platonic choice.
There was also this system where they could find out you were cheating on them and the S.Link points would go down and you had to work the schedule a lot to avoid that and still max everything.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
The actual problem with P3 is that raising an s.link to 10 only had a single outcome, which they may or may not correct
A bare minimum I'm sure they're adding party control, modern persona fusing, and deleting the weird "date every girl" mechanics.
Persona 5 lets you date every girl! You are gonna continue to be able to date every girl
Sorry, what I meant is the mechanic OG Persona 3 had where you could only finish a girl's social link if you dated them, with no friendship option, meaning it was mandatory to date every girl if you wanted to do all the social links. That was dropped in later games and it will almost certainly be dropped from this remake.
It seems that there are none of the additional elements from Persona 3 FES (P3 FES) or Persona 3 Portable (P3P), because it is standard P3. However, new episodes are being added to the main story and Social Links?
Yamaguchi: The scenarios which were in the original, such as the main story and Social Links are basically the same. There is no P3 FES post-story content or P3P female protagonist, however that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any elements from those two titles.
In addition, there are new scenarios which delve deeper into the world and characters in other ways. For example, there were no social links for the male party members in the original game, so unlike male party members in P4 and P5, they weren’t able to build as much of a relationship or interact as much with the main character.
Since Social Links remain the same as in the original, we can’t give them new ones, however we will prepare content which shows their character and their relationships with the main character in a different way. I can’t talk about specifics yet, however I hope you look forward to it.
This project sounds fuckin baffling to me
I was kind of hoping they'd just go with the P3P S.Link lineup because that one actually has all party member S.Links and is just better overall
It seems that there are none of the additional elements from Persona 3 FES (P3 FES) or Persona 3 Portable (P3P), because it is standard P3. However, new episodes are being added to the main story and Social Links?
Yamaguchi: The scenarios which were in the original, such as the main story and Social Links are basically the same. There is no P3 FES post-story content or P3P female protagonist, however that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any elements from those two titles.
In addition, there are new scenarios which delve deeper into the world and characters in other ways. For example, there were no social links for the male party members in the original game, so unlike male party members in P4 and P5, they weren’t able to build as much of a relationship or interact as much with the main character.
Since Social Links remain the same as in the original, we can’t give them new ones, however we will prepare content which shows their character and their relationships with the main character in a different way. I can’t talk about specifics yet, however I hope you look forward to it.
This project sounds fuckin baffling to me
I was kind of hoping they'd just go with the P3P S.Link lineup because that one actually has all party member S.Links and is just better overall
Just... give them social links. This project is brain dead.
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It would seem that the devs subscribe to the Gus Van Sant definition of "Remake". Literal. Shot for shot.
Two of the best game remakes perhaps ever released just this year (Dead Space, Resident Evil 4), and here comes ATLUS with just the most head-empty version of that concept. Baffling.
It would seem that the devs subscribe to the Gus Van Sant definition of "Remake". Literal. Shot for shot.
Two of the best game remakes perhaps ever released just this year (Dead Space, Resident Evil 4), and here comes ATLUS with just the most head-empty version of that concept. Baffling.
except it's not because they're adding new content anyway, apparently!
It seems that there are none of the additional elements from Persona 3 FES (P3 FES) or Persona 3 Portable (P3P), because it is standard P3. However, new episodes are being added to the main story and Social Links?
Yamaguchi: The scenarios which were in the original, such as the main story and Social Links are basically the same. There is no P3 FES post-story content or P3P female protagonist, however that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any elements from those two titles.
In addition, there are new scenarios which delve deeper into the world and characters in other ways. For example, there were no social links for the male party members in the original game, so unlike male party members in P4 and P5, they weren’t able to build as much of a relationship or interact as much with the main character.
Since Social Links remain the same as in the original, we can’t give them new ones, however we will prepare content which shows their character and their relationships with the main character in a different way. I can’t talk about specifics yet, however I hope you look forward to it.
This project sounds fuckin baffling to me
I was kind of hoping they'd just go with the P3P S.Link lineup because that one actually has all party member S.Links and is just better overall
Just... opting to not have social links with the male characters?? Fucking, what?
The only reason that would maybe make sense is it would allow for the P3P social links to slot in easier if they do a Royal-style add-on... maybe? Not wanting to duplicate effort?
I think the issue is that they don’t want to take the social links away from the people you could in the original game, as the male party member social links for the FemPC removed social links from other characters.
So having events that are like social links but not is their solution.
I think the issue is that they don’t want to take the social links away from the people you could in the original game, as the male party member social links for the FemPC removed social links from other characters.
So having events that are like social links but not is their solution.
they are making the game, no one is forcing them to do this they don't have to remove anything, why is that the only option, why can't they just add the guys as social links
I think the issue is that they don’t want to take the social links away from the people you could in the original game, as the male party member social links for the FemPC removed social links from other characters.
So having events that are like social links but not is their solution.
they are making the game, no one is forcing them to do this they don't have to remove anything, why is that the only option, why can't they just add the guys as social links
They can. For example, Atlus have had no problem with adding arcana from multiple decks to the same game before, so there is no hard limit to the number of social links that can be added. And if they do that without changing anything about their functions, then the unlocked rewards and social links unlocked by other social links will be wonky because some of the flags will be set by two different social links, or maybe more likely only the first of them while the second does nothing. And if they do change them enough to bring them in line with the others, they'll need something like 8 times 5 new personas and decide on special fusion conditions for 8 of them.
Instead, it seems like they decided to sidestep the old system by adding something new outside of it that doesn't need to interact with any of the same moving parts.
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I thought she had red hair.
And red eyes are super common in anime-land.
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It was pretty large, and FES was divisive right from the jump, you had lots of people saying the Answer was trash(and it's not). I'm honestly not that surprised they didn't add it in.
It gave a lot of the characters an epilogue and closure, so I enjoyed it for that.
(It's also easily the most challenging P3 content, so there's that too.)
It starts out with like a 30 minute cutscene. Then it throws you into a scripted battle. At this point, you have never had any control, never been able to set up your party, equip a persona, anything. And since this is the dark ages, I'm pretty sure there was no skipping or even text fast forward. Anyway, one on one scripted battle. The enemy attacks until you're under something like 30% HP, and then starts skipping its turns, making it unloseable. Except that the way it's scripted, it will only start skipping if you're under 30% HP at the end of one of your turns. So let's say you're at 40% HP, and it gets a critical hit. Oops, now you're at like 10% HP and it takes an extra turn, where it will just attack again and kill you. Game over. Reload your save. Your save that you never had a chance to make. Go back and watch the entire 30 fucking minute cutscene over again, asshole.
And that is why I never played the Answer.
The true SMT experience.
Are they going to include the other social links that came with P3P:FeMC? Will they be totally rewritten? Are they going to drop that one horrible transphobic scene?
Most of the reason I love 3 so much and the series at large is because of how rare it is to play as a female character and get to pursue relationships and friendships that feel as authentic as they do in P3P and I'm gonna be real bummed out if they just... never bring any of that back beyond that incredibly poor port
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They would have to rework them a lot to fit them in. They occupy all of the same gameplay-space as other segments.
The amount of horror stories that amount to "And then I lost hours of playtime to unavoidable bullshit" have kept me far away from the SMT series outside of Persona.
They fit it onto a PSP disc, they can fit it into a home console video game.
My belief about why they aren't bringing the FeMC over because the staff is, depressingly, that some of the staff from the original aren't fans of how well-regarded changes were that they didn't have a hand in.
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I would be shocked if they didn’t have social links for every main party member.
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Persona 5 lets you date every girl! You are gonna continue to be able to date every girl
There was also this system where they could find out you were cheating on them and the S.Link points would go down and you had to work the schedule a lot to avoid that and still max everything.
Sorry, what I meant is the mechanic OG Persona 3 had where you could only finish a girl's social link if you dated them, with no friendship option, meaning it was mandatory to date every girl if you wanted to do all the social links. That was dropped in later games and it will almost certainly be dropped from this remake.
This project sounds fuckin baffling to me
I was kind of hoping they'd just go with the P3P S.Link lineup because that one actually has all party member S.Links and is just better overall
Just... give them social links. This project is brain dead.
Two of the best game remakes perhaps ever released just this year (Dead Space, Resident Evil 4), and here comes ATLUS with just the most head-empty version of that concept. Baffling.
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except it's not because they're adding new content anyway, apparently!
Just... opting to not have social links with the male characters?? Fucking, what?
The only reason that would maybe make sense is it would allow for the P3P social links to slot in easier if they do a Royal-style add-on... maybe? Not wanting to duplicate effort?
Really perplexing.
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So having events that are like social links but not is their solution.
they are making the game, no one is forcing them to do this
they don't have to remove anything, why is that the only option, why can't they just add the guys as social links
They can. For example, Atlus have had no problem with adding arcana from multiple decks to the same game before, so there is no hard limit to the number of social links that can be added. And if they do that without changing anything about their functions, then the unlocked rewards and social links unlocked by other social links will be wonky because some of the flags will be set by two different social links, or maybe more likely only the first of them while the second does nothing. And if they do change them enough to bring them in line with the others, they'll need something like 8 times 5 new personas and decide on special fusion conditions for 8 of them.
Instead, it seems like they decided to sidestep the old system by adding something new outside of it that doesn't need to interact with any of the same moving parts.
yup, it's persona 3