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[WOW] Servers are up, Patch 8.2 ahoy ! When did Azshara grow three extra eyes ?

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    I think they might 'end the war' from a narrative standpoint, because it increasingly just doesn't make sense; like from a story standpoint thrall (ugh) et al will lead the horde races and be friendly with the alliance.

    mechanically though I feel like too many systems rely on there being two factions, and an outright merger of gilneans/night elves/undead onto one 'side' is a bridge too far narratively

    letting cross-faction groups form for such as flex raids and m+ I think should've happened long ago anyway

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    PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    the new factions will be "champions" and "scrubs"

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    H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Dac wrote: »
    As much as I'd love to blow up the faction divide, that shit ain't happenin', Blizzard don't have the stones to try.

    Now, giving the player the ability to give the faction war the double middle fingers and allow you to communicate, guilds, party and raid with the other side, that I could see. If you pvp together, it'll just do what it does already with the mercenary system and make non-faction-appropriate players appear faction appropriate.

    Yeah, whatever form it would take, it won't be a clean break. It'll be some kind of kludgy work-around solution that has the net effect of ending the faction divide for social & PVE gameplay (especially in new expac areas), but doesn't require them to nuke all of the old content and game mechanics built around there being a Horde and an Alliance.

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Another major BfA patch and the Troop system is still fucked and dumb as hell.

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Troop?

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    The random shitheads you buy for war resources to send on Follower missions. They're needed to counter things like Cursed.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Rift ended the faction split by just inventing PvP-only factions. So out in the game world it doesn’t matter unless you flag yourself or whatever.

    If WoW tightened up the leveling using my aforementioned New Leveling Zone method, then you can bypass all the messy faction stuff. You can even keep the Horde and Alliance flags for players, but it only applies to pre-9.0 zones. Just handwave it was traveling to the past before the factions united.

    Like seriously, BFA has to do SOMETHING to make this trainwreck at least somewhat worth it.

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    NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Fairly certain they had a mechanism in the past where Horde and Alliance players were in the same faction.

    Granted, it was during the zombie plague in the lead-up to Wrath. Horde and Alliance players who went zombie were moved to a third faction where they could trade items back and forth, talk to each other, and join parties. I'm not sure the status of that code given how long it's been and how many expansions they've dropped.

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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Nobody wrote: »
    Fairly certain they had a mechanism in the past where Horde and Alliance players were in the same faction.

    Granted, it was during the zombie plague in the lead-up to Wrath. Horde and Alliance players who went zombie were moved to a third faction where they could trade items back and forth, talk to each other, and join parties. I'm not sure the status of that code given how long it's been and how many expansions they've dropped.

    Pandaren start out neutral, so it's definitely something the engine is capable of.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Nobody wrote: »
    Fairly certain they had a mechanism in the past where Horde and Alliance players were in the same faction.

    Granted, it was during the zombie plague in the lead-up to Wrath. Horde and Alliance players who went zombie were moved to a third faction where they could trade items back and forth, talk to each other, and join parties. I'm not sure the status of that code given how long it's been and how many expansions they've dropped.

    Pandaren start out neutral, so it's definitely something the engine is capable of.

    Ok I cannot find it right now as my screenshot folder is years of screenshots so a needle in a haystack
    I made my panda warrior alliance on a coin flip but while she was in her storybook land she could use the horde flagged toys

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    essences are just glyphs but less convenient change my mind

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    LJDouglasLJDouglas Registered User regular
    Glyphs interacted with and altered you spells, essences are extra trinkets.

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    This expansion is becoming extremely disrespectful to bag space.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    "due to popular interest in wow classic, we're bringing back soul shard bags and ammo bags in BFA"

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    "due to popular interest in wow classic, we're bringing back soul shard bags and ammo bags in BFA"

    The authentic experience

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Insert guy with finger pointing then not finger pointing meme.

    I mean, at least they have an extra button for one of them. But it seems like they dumbed down a bunch of them from the initial implementation. I thought their goal was to create something that FELT impactful. I know we just have green ones right now, but still.

    I miss Cata glyphs. I don't care about balance. I just miss how it felt to customize shit.

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    It just feels like there needs to be a different interface/storage for quest items and limited-time stuff like the Murloc trading items; it’s crummy to run around Nazjatar for 30 minutes and have your bag space be totally consumed by all the random zone-specific stuff

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    If we didn't need to keep like 20+ Azerite gear pieces maybe we would have room :bzz:

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Finally got my Kelpfin. I absolutely hate mechagon after spending so long trying to get the 2 rare spawn pets there.

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    PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    hasn't it only been available less than a week?

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    try to get kelpfin and tell me you like the zones after that.

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Man I can't wait to get all that cloth with Strength again in Classic.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    forty wrote: »
    Man I can't wait to get all that cloth with Strength again in Classic.

    Don't forget your handguards!

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    FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    Interesting, the planned maintenance was moved from today to tomorrow, Tuesday. I guess they found a fix for why the Rares were not spawning ?

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    essences are just glyphs but less convenient change my mind

    Essences have bigger and more interesting effects.

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    PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    they could have revived glyphs though and done everything that essences are doing. They just didn't want to put that power in a tradeskill...

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I'm convinced Blizzard hates tradeskills.

    Other games have such elegant trade skill systems and actually give players the agency to feel like they are creating something meaningful.

    WoW's treatment of tradeskills is basically that consumables (potions, flasks, food, glyphs) are king, and if you want to make armor that's worth a damn too bad.

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    essences are just glyphs but less convenient change my mind

    Essences have bigger and more interesting effects.

    Eh, not really. There were glyphs that gave new skills as well. Such as the warlock Dark Apotheosis form which let them tank. That is a pretty significant effect.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I'm convinced Blizzard hates tradeskills.

    Other games have such elegant trade skill systems and actually give players the agency to feel like they are creating something meaningful.

    WoW's treatment of tradeskills is basically that consumables (potions, flasks, food, glyphs) are king, and if you want to make armor that's worth a damn too bad.

    ?

    In 8.1 and now 8.2, every crafting profession can make 1-2 pieces of Mythic Raid level gear.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I'm convinced Blizzard hates tradeskills.

    Other games have such elegant trade skill systems and actually give players the agency to feel like they are creating something meaningful.

    WoW's treatment of tradeskills is basically that consumables (potions, flasks, food, glyphs) are king, and if you want to make armor that's worth a damn too bad.

    ?

    In 8.1 and now 8.2, every crafting profession can make 1-2 pieces of Mythic Raid level gear.

    Doing that requieres a lot of Nazjatar currency grinding, if I'm correct.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I'm convinced Blizzard hates tradeskills.

    Other games have such elegant trade skill systems and actually give players the agency to feel like they are creating something meaningful.

    WoW's treatment of tradeskills is basically that consumables (potions, flasks, food, glyphs) are king, and if you want to make armor that's worth a damn too bad.

    ?

    In 8.1 and now 8.2, every crafting profession can make 1-2 pieces of Mythic Raid level gear.

    Doing that requieres a lot of Nazjatar currency grinding, if I'm correct.

    Raid currency and Expulsom, but it's really not that bad. Also, I think it is completely reasonable and correct that getting the highest level of gear available in game should take either a lot of effort (to do Mythic raids) or a lot of time (to farm materials). It should not be trivial to get literally the best obtainable gear.

    edit: And to be clear, it's not even that much time to farm mats. You could get all the Breaths of Bwonsamdi that you needed in 3-4 weeks of partial heroic BoD clears. Now you won't even need the new one for every clear, just 220 to fully upgrade the crafting bench in Naz and you're all set. Just gotta farm a fair amount of Expulsom, which comes from everywhere.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I have honestly not looked at the 8.1 or 8.2 crafted gear. But all of the 8.0 crafted gear was bind on create, which is stupid.

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    FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    Expolsum is entirely RNG-dependent, which is always a bad idea for crafting but Blizzard is wedded to it.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    It's guaranteed from trinkets and has a high chance from epics, I haven't found getting it to be too onerous. The real issue with Expulsom is that you need it to make cauldrons.
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I have honestly not looked at the 8.1 or 8.2 crafted gear. But all of the 8.0 crafted gear was bind on create, which is stupid.

    Not true. All the ilvl 340 stuff, which was release Heroic Dungeon level (i.e. what you generally go into the first raid tier with) is Bind on Equip. The stuff that's Mythic raid equivalent is Bind on Pickup but I think that's fair, especially since folks who just want to buy gear can grab from the AH the raid Bind on Equip pieces that are random zone drops.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Also you can farm all the Benthic pieces as a solo player, which puts you at normal Battle of Dazar'alor item level, and farm more Prismatic Manapearls to upgrade them to just below Heroic Eternal Palace IIRC.

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    The rate you get mana pearls after you finish all the quests is pretty abysmal though. It will take probably a month of doing dailies and world quests to get enough of them to upgrade one piece to max.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    I'm assuming the rate will increase as more stuff opens and the storyline progresses.

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    FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    A freshly leveled 120 is really going to struggle in that first batch of quests, altho the 370 weapon helps. It does not take long to farm up 30 Manapearls, however, and that gets you to 370-ish item level.

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    So im stuck at home and unable to strenuous activities for several days. So wow it is.

    I made a big ol Kul Tiran shaman and grandpappy is healing people as he travels this wide world

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    It's guaranteed from trinkets and has a high chance from epics, I haven't found getting it to be too onerous. The real issue with Expulsom is that you need it to make cauldrons.
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I have honestly not looked at the 8.1 or 8.2 crafted gear. But all of the 8.0 crafted gear was bind on create, which is stupid.

    Not true. All the ilvl 340 stuff, which was release Heroic Dungeon level (i.e. what you generally go into the first raid tier with) is Bind on Equip. The stuff that's Mythic raid equivalent is Bind on Pickup but I think that's fair, especially since folks who just want to buy gear can grab from the AH the raid Bind on Equip pieces that are random zone drops.

    It was actually bop early on but the changed it quickly due to the outcry about it I think.

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