Who would you even buy it from and what about the people there now? Do they get the US territory treatment?
This is assuming it’s at all possible of course.
Greenland is 88 percent Inuit. I'm sure they'd be just thrilled to leave the protection of the EU and place themselves under the tender mercies of the United States.
Greenland has never been part of the EU, and left the EEC in 1985. (Denmark is a full member of the EU, but Danish territories Greenland and the Faroe Islands are not.)
Denmark has a great economy and content population. The only reason they'd sell a territory is at gunpoint. It'd be very funny for Trump to declare war on the one of the most peaceful countries in Europe.
This is true. But the Greenland question is actually quite complicated. Greenland has sovereignty over its own internal policies, but Danmark handles foreign affairs.
Denmark also subsidises Greenland by 3.4 billion DKK (500 million USD) per year, in addition to sending doctors and other high-skilled personnel. Many Greenlanders want full independence, but don't want to give up the benefits. Many Danes are unhappy with paying the benefits (racism plays a part, unfortunately). It's complicated.
I don't think Denmark want to sell it, or Greenland wants to be bought. (It can legally only happen with the consent of both Denmark and the locals.) But Trump should also be aware that it will absolutely be a net negative in the budgets; the locals will never vote to join without codifying some sort of annual payment, and Greenland (currently; we'll see when it has melted) doesn't produce anything of great value. (And, of course, we all know a promise is totally worth the paper Trump writes it on.)
Of course, Trump can try to take it from force from fellow NATO member Denmark. That would certainly make Trump's boss happy.
Not to mentioned, if Greenland did sign off, I seriously doubt they'd settle for being a US territory. Giving the fucking that PR got under Trump's shitty administration. If I were a government that got newly acquired to be part of the US, I'd strongly insist on having a quick path to statehood that the next US Congress can't torpedo (so probably via the treaty that leads to the purchase). I'm not familiar enough with Greenland's political landscape to a clear call on how that would impact things in the US, but I'm getting the impression that it wouldn't be GOP friendly; especially, with the GOP being the racist white asshole party.
Though this is Trump we're talking about and he doesn't get anything. Greenland seems to wanted greater distance from Denmark, so I'd wager any deal by the US to purchase them is already dead on arrival; especially, if it's the likes of Trump. Dude probably doesn't get that he won't be able to do as he pleases there. That it won't be his property, nor that he'll be allowed to seize all the known good land and sell it off.
Not to mentioned, if Greenland did sign off, I seriously doubt they'd settle for being a US territory. Giving the fucking that PR got under Trump's shitty administration. If I were a government that got newly acquired to be part of the US, I'd strongly insist on having a quick path to statehood that the next US Congress can't torpedo (so probably via the treaty that leads to the purchase). I'm not familiar enough with Greenland's political landscape to a clear call on how that would impact things in the US, but I'm getting the impression that it wouldn't be GOP friendly; especially, with the GOP being the racist white asshole party.
Greenland has a population of 56k. Even if they somehow agreed to join the US, there's no way they become a state.
Almost certainly. Greenland will actually be green, at the rate we're going... about the same time all the southern states catch fire and the last little bit of the Florida sandbar slips beneath the waves.
Florida isn't going to be completely underwater in even the more pessimistic sea level rises. Only in the apocalyptic ones in which everyone is dead anyhow. Much of the state is over 150 to 200ft above sea level.
Almost certainly. Greenland will actually be green, at the rate we're going... about the same time all the southern states catch fire and the last little bit of the Florida sandbar slips beneath the waves.
Florida isn't going to be completely underwater in even the more pessimistic sea level rises. Only in the apocalyptic ones in which everyone is dead anyhow. Much of the state is over 150 to 200ft above sea level.
Yeah. Florida’s real problem is that, as sea level rises, the saltwater intrusion into the state’s aquifers means that drinking water supplies will collapse.
Yeah to bury Florida completely you would need to melt essentially all the ice on earth. Maybe dam Gibraltar too (funny thing if you dam the straights you could raise sea levels by 40 feet or so in a relatively short period of time, so if anyone ever wants to be a bond villian that might be a plan for you).
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Not to mentioned, if Greenland did sign off, I seriously doubt they'd settle for being a US territory. Giving the fucking that PR got under Trump's shitty administration. If I were a government that got newly acquired to be part of the US, I'd strongly insist on having a quick path to statehood that the next US Congress can't torpedo (so probably via the treaty that leads to the purchase). I'm not familiar enough with Greenland's political landscape to a clear call on how that would impact things in the US, but I'm getting the impression that it wouldn't be GOP friendly; especially, with the GOP being the racist white asshole party.
Greenland has a population of 56k. Even if they somehow agreed to join the US, there's no way they become a state.
Wouldn't purchasing greenland increase the debt like... exponentially?
Greenland is not worth 400 trillion or something.
Maybe not, but if you want to try and buy territory from another nation you're probably gonna be paying way over whatever the 'market value' is.
Not really. Sovereign territory sales don't work like private real estate sales. Neither government has the realistic ability to see the real estate or resource exploitation revenue directly. The value of the territory to a government is much more indirect. Economic value can be measured in tax revenue vs. burden rather than land value. Defense value is far more difficult to quantify but in this case could be in part measured by a net outflow of money now remaining inside the US market.
The US has made three major sovereign territory purchases. At the time they happened, if the previous owners had zoned them up and sold them on the private market, they would have been worth many times what they were sold for. Doing that would have taken a very long time (it's nowhere near done even today and US settlement of new territory was much more aggressive than French or Russian), and wasn't really how things worked anyway.
For example: The Louisiana Purchase was for under 4 cents an acre. Land value at the time ran 12.5 cents to $1.25 an acre depending on use.
Not to mentioned, if Greenland did sign off, I seriously doubt they'd settle for being a US territory. Giving the fucking that PR got under Trump's shitty administration. If I were a government that got newly acquired to be part of the US, I'd strongly insist on having a quick path to statehood that the next US Congress can't torpedo (so probably via the treaty that leads to the purchase). I'm not familiar enough with Greenland's political landscape to a clear call on how that would impact things in the US, but I'm getting the impression that it wouldn't be GOP friendly; especially, with the GOP being the racist white asshole party.
Greenland has a population of 56k. Even if they somehow agreed to join the US, there's no way they become a state.
Vermont only has 650k.
I don’t think it’s that disqualifying.
This is all moot tho. We’re not buying Greenland.
Did you misread what I wrote as 560k?
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Not to mentioned, if Greenland did sign off, I seriously doubt they'd settle for being a US territory. Giving the fucking that PR got under Trump's shitty administration. If I were a government that got newly acquired to be part of the US, I'd strongly insist on having a quick path to statehood that the next US Congress can't torpedo (so probably via the treaty that leads to the purchase). I'm not familiar enough with Greenland's political landscape to a clear call on how that would impact things in the US, but I'm getting the impression that it wouldn't be GOP friendly; especially, with the GOP being the racist white asshole party.
Greenland has a population of 56k. Even if they somehow agreed to join the US, there's no way they become a state.
Vermont only has 650k.
I don’t think it’s that disqualifying.
This is all moot tho. We’re not buying Greenland.
Did you misread what I wrote as 560k?
No. I don’t think it really matters. What is the cutoff population to make a state?
Wouldn't purchasing greenland increase the debt like... exponentially?
Greenland is not worth 400 trillion or something.
Maybe not, but if you want to try and buy territory from another nation you're probably gonna be paying way over whatever the 'market value' is.
Not really. Sovereign territory sales don't work like private real estate sales. Neither government has the realistic ability to see the real estate or resource exploitation revenue directly. The value of the territory to a government is much more indirect. Economic value can be measured in tax revenue vs. burden rather than land value. Defense value is far more difficult to quantify but in this case could be in part measured by a net outflow of money now remaining inside the US market.
The US has made three major sovereign territory purchases. At the time they happened, if the previous owners had zoned them up and sold them on the private market, they would have been worth many times what they were sold for. Doing that would have taken a very long time (it's nowhere near done even today and US settlement of new territory was much more aggressive than French or Russian), and wasn't really how things worked anyway.
For example: The Louisiana Purchase was for under 4 cents an acre. Land value at the time ran 12.5 cents to $1.25 an acre depending on use.
This also ignores the impetus for the sale of Alaska and louisiana: both countries were dealing with an ascendent britain and trying to limit the damage thus getting top dollar wasn't the goal.
Greenland is also a location a lot of rich pricks like Trump and his pals are looking at for luxury doomsday bunkers and shit, so they can ride out the apocalypse they've wrought in style and comfort.
I hate how prevalent this thinking it because they're all going to be long dead before it gets bad.
If Washington state told me to stay out because I said mean things about Spokane, and then demurred "for my Grandmother's sake," I'm pretty sure my response would be that they can fuck off and I think my Grandmother would agree (although we might have a talk about profanity on Skype).
The version of this tweet that I saw (maybe original version?) had the word "grandmother" in quotes. Like he doesn't really think she's her grandmother. Because conspiracy, I'm sure
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The version of this tweet that I saw (maybe original version?) had the word "grandmother" in quotes. Like he doesn't really think she's her grandmother. Because conspiracy, I'm sure
it's well established the man has no idea how punctuation works
I'm confident the greenland thing is 100% bullshit to distract from a teetering economy, victims of white supremacy being buried, and the admin using Israel against american congress people.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
"I can't do the thing so I don't want to do the thing" is not a win.
Bibi tried to save face by letting her visit her grandmother under a humanitarian guise. This is her rejecting that offer for the fraud it was
He didn’t try very hard because the actual reason she refused is because they wanted her to sign documents and be subject to unique preconditions to enter that no member of Congress has ever been subject to.
"I can't do the thing so I don't want to do the thing" is not a win.
Bibi tried to save face by letting her visit her grandmother under a humanitarian guise. This is her rejecting that offer for the fraud it was
He didn’t try very hard because the actual reason she refused is because they wanted her to sign documents and be subject to unique preconditions to enter that no member of Congress has ever been subject to.
Yeah they pretty much wanted her in to sign hag order and unable to say or do anything political while there
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Greenland has never been part of the EU, and left the EEC in 1985. (Denmark is a full member of the EU, but Danish territories Greenland and the Faroe Islands are not.)
This is true. But the Greenland question is actually quite complicated. Greenland has sovereignty over its own internal policies, but Danmark handles foreign affairs.
Denmark also subsidises Greenland by 3.4 billion DKK (500 million USD) per year, in addition to sending doctors and other high-skilled personnel. Many Greenlanders want full independence, but don't want to give up the benefits. Many Danes are unhappy with paying the benefits (racism plays a part, unfortunately). It's complicated.
I don't think Denmark want to sell it, or Greenland wants to be bought. (It can legally only happen with the consent of both Denmark and the locals.) But Trump should also be aware that it will absolutely be a net negative in the budgets; the locals will never vote to join without codifying some sort of annual payment, and Greenland (currently; we'll see when it has melted) doesn't produce anything of great value. (And, of course, we all know a promise is totally worth the paper Trump writes it on.)
Of course, Trump can try to take it from force from fellow NATO member Denmark. That would certainly make Trump's boss happy.
Though this is Trump we're talking about and he doesn't get anything. Greenland seems to wanted greater distance from Denmark, so I'd wager any deal by the US to purchase them is already dead on arrival; especially, if it's the likes of Trump. Dude probably doesn't get that he won't be able to do as he pleases there. That it won't be his property, nor that he'll be allowed to seize all the known good land and sell it off.
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Greenland has a population of 56k. Even if they somehow agreed to join the US, there's no way they become a state.
Maybe not, but if you want to try and buy territory from another nation you're probably gonna be paying way over whatever the 'market value' is.
Florida isn't going to be completely underwater in even the more pessimistic sea level rises. Only in the apocalyptic ones in which everyone is dead anyhow. Much of the state is over 150 to 200ft above sea level.
Yeah. Florida’s real problem is that, as sea level rises, the saltwater intrusion into the state’s aquifers means that drinking water supplies will collapse.
Vermont only has 650k.
I don’t think it’s that disqualifying.
This is all moot tho. We’re not buying Greenland.
Not really. Sovereign territory sales don't work like private real estate sales. Neither government has the realistic ability to see the real estate or resource exploitation revenue directly. The value of the territory to a government is much more indirect. Economic value can be measured in tax revenue vs. burden rather than land value. Defense value is far more difficult to quantify but in this case could be in part measured by a net outflow of money now remaining inside the US market.
The US has made three major sovereign territory purchases. At the time they happened, if the previous owners had zoned them up and sold them on the private market, they would have been worth many times what they were sold for. Doing that would have taken a very long time (it's nowhere near done even today and US settlement of new territory was much more aggressive than French or Russian), and wasn't really how things worked anyway.
For example: The Louisiana Purchase was for under 4 cents an acre. Land value at the time ran 12.5 cents to $1.25 an acre depending on use.
Did you misread what I wrote as 560k?
No. I don’t think it really matters. What is the cutoff population to make a state?
There isn’t one. It’s a politics thing.
So what’s the big deal?
Well it would set a new basement level for most fucked up over representation in Congress.
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My Alderman represents more people.
It would make arguments for DC statehood easier to win too, I think.
But it's fantasyland.
This also ignores the impetus for the sale of Alaska and louisiana: both countries were dealing with an ascendent britain and trying to limit the damage thus getting top dollar wasn't the goal.
Just imagine the new strategies that'd have to be used to pander to the 88% Inuit population. It'd make Republicans instantly Woke.
I hate how prevalent this thinking it because they're all going to be long dead before it gets bad.
Ultimate ladder pullers.
Colonizing Mars and terraforming it probably far cheaper than buying Greenland
"I can't do the thing so I don't want to do the thing" is not a win.
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Bibi tried to save face by letting her visit her grandmother under a humanitarian guise. This is her rejecting that offer for the fraud it was
The version of this tweet that I saw (maybe original version?) had the word "grandmother" in quotes. Like he doesn't really think she's her grandmother. Because conspiracy, I'm sure
it's well established the man has no idea how punctuation works
It makes a certain amoint of political sense if youre an extremely stupid guy who spends a lot of time on real estate
Just annex the south pole.
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Bonus points for him not knowing that Greenland is the icy one (for now) and Iceland is the green one.
He didn’t try very hard because the actual reason she refused is because they wanted her to sign documents and be subject to unique preconditions to enter that no member of Congress has ever been subject to.
Yeah they pretty much wanted her in to sign hag order and unable to say or do anything political while there