Oh man I assumed ominous seas was discarded at 8, thats way more fun.
I made a proliferate deck for shits and giggles a couple of weeks ago, and Ominous Seas is going to be so much fun in it. Along with The Ozolith allowing me to care way less about losing creatures.
I am wondering on how to retool my own counters deck to make use of Ominous Seas and Ozolith. What list are you running?
Here's the deck I'm running right now and one of the games I've played so far.
I copied this deck because it looks like fun. It gets absolutely hosed by Narset and you can't do anything to remove it.
Yeah, I've ranted about Narset across several pages of several of these threads. It sucks and you can't deal with it unless you counter or hit it with Fire Prophecy. You also don't run into Narset all of the time though and my goals for Magic are playing decks that I build and think are fun.
Is keep safe a limited trap?
Like it seems real good but then I tried to play it and I just never had a chance to cast it in 9 games.
There are quite a few cards in the format it should blowout, but somehow it never lined up.
Is keep safe a limited trap?
Like it seems real good but then I tried to play it and I just never had a chance to cast it in 9 games.
There are quite a few cards in the format it should blowout, but somehow it never lined up.
In Bo1 probably a trap. In Bo3 useful sideboard against some decks but probably still a trap.
I really sick at draft apparently.
Everybody has great cards and I just and up collecting 40 card trash.
I did 3 Premier drafts yesterday: 0-3 (that was my free one, at least?), 3-3, 3-3. The problem with playing "outside of pod" is that some pods just open packs that are trash. This is usually corrected for by the pairing structue; by definition an 8-player pod breaks down to the same 8 results (barring draws, which are impossible on Arena without shenanigans). But if you get paired up against someone from a pod that opened nonsense, you're gonna get bodied more often than not.
Unfortunately "league" play is the only feasible way to handle games on Arena because a lot of people aren't able to commit to a full 4-5 hour session to complete a pod. (Even in quarantine there's other shit that needs attention.)
Easy 7-0, companion is busted in sealed, Destoroyah is busted in sealed, removal is on point, recursion is on point, go wide is on point, go evasive is on point, mana is good enough for sealed work.
You deserve all the bonus points for getting companion to work in a limited environment. Very cool.
It's a very different feeling when you gotta hurry your picks.
It's funny but I've enjoyed human draft significantly more than bot draft and I'm not sure why. Theoretically, these humans could just be AIs and I won't be able to tell the difference at this stage in the set. One difference I did notice is that more rares are being passed. I picked 5 rares in my first draft and I could have picked up 6 if I didn't pass 1 for a premium uncommon in my colors. The thought that I'm interacting with other people who are also drafting real decks makes the whole experience more exciting.
Also public service announcement, I should not be getting 6th-7th pick farfinders. That card goes in almost ever deck and while I can see having 2-3 cards in a pack that are better than it, it should not be making its way that far around to the table to me.
Is keep safe a limited trap?
Like it seems real good but then I tried to play it and I just never had a chance to cast it in 9 games.
There are quite a few cards in the format it should blowout, but somehow it never lined up.
In Bo1 probably a trap. In Bo3 useful sideboard against some decks but probably still a trap.
I really sick at draft apparently.
Everybody has great cards and I just and up collecting 40 card trash.
I did 3 Premier drafts yesterday: 0-3 (that was my free one, at least?), 3-3, 3-3. The problem with playing "outside of pod" is that some pods just open packs that are trash. This is usually corrected for by the pairing structue; by definition an 8-player pod breaks down to the same 8 results (barring draws, which are impossible on Arena without shenanigans). But if you get paired up against someone from a pod that opened nonsense, you're gonna get bodied more often than not.
Unfortunately "league" play is the only feasible way to handle games on Arena because a lot of people aren't able to commit to a full 4-5 hour session to complete a pod. (Even in quarantine there's other shit that needs attention.)
Easy 7-0, companion is busted in sealed, Destoroyah is busted in sealed, removal is on point, recursion is on point, go wide is on point, go evasive is on point, mana is good enough for sealed work.
You deserve all the bonus points for getting companion to work in a limited environment. Very cool.
Indeed I had a he dinosaurs, cats and etc get +1/+1 in my opening pack and once got it wheeled, both times it dominated my picks. I think that is where I played myself.
Both times I had a companion but all the times it sucked.
Easy 7-0, companion is busted in sealed, Destoroyah is busted in sealed, removal is on point, recursion is on point, go wide is on point, go evasive is on point, mana is good enough for sealed work.
You deserve all the bonus points for getting companion to work in a limited environment. Very cool.
Some of the companions are super easy to run in limited. For example, having two of the same color symbol is something I already sort of avoid in limited, so getting a free 5/5 for 5 was 7 wins for me.
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also, player draft... am i silly for doing this: If there's no good cards for my deck and a land, i'll take the land.
I figure it helps out the other players but also..... IDK, is that dumb?
also, player draft... am i silly for doing this: If there's no good cards for my deck and a land, i'll take the land.
I figure it helps out the other players but also..... IDK, is that dumb?
I would not do this, but i fully respect you trying to be nice.
ideally you take stuff that will help signal to your seatmates. You can also hate draft stuff. Just because you might not face them doesn't mean you definitely WON'T face them.
Easy 7-0, companion is busted in sealed, Destoroyah is busted in sealed, removal is on point, recursion is on point, go wide is on point, go evasive is on point, mana is good enough for sealed work.
You deserve all the bonus points for getting companion to work in a limited environment. Very cool.
Companion is really not that bad in sealed tbh, you can afford to go quite deep on marginal cards for the guarantee of a 4-5 star bomb in hand every game. The worst part wasn't even meeting the companion requirement, it's that between my white being good, gyaruda being BB (or UU) and needing destoroyah, my manabase was rough. Splashing the recursive golgari mutate card was a risk but it paid off, and I'm glad I didn't play the GB bounty hunter.
Oh, also, the other three rares in my pod were three different ultimatums
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Easy 7-0, companion is busted in sealed, Destoroyah is busted in sealed, removal is on point, recursion is on point, go wide is on point, go evasive is on point, mana is good enough for sealed work.
You deserve all the bonus points for getting companion to work in a limited environment. Very cool.
Companion is really not that bad in sealed tbh, you can afford to go quite deep on marginal cards for the guarantee of a 4-5 star bomb in hand every game. The worst part wasn't even meeting the companion requirement, it's that between my white being good, gyaruda being BB (or UU) and needing destoroyah, my manabase was rough. Splashing the recursive golgari mutate card was a risk but it paid off, and I'm glad I didn't play the GB bounty hunter.
Oh, also, the other three rares in my pod were three different ultimatums
The GB bounty hunter is great for drawing removal spells away from other creatures you actually care about. He also worked out nicely for me with two of those green creatures that allow you to change the stats of one of your humans to 4/4 when the creature attacks. 4/4 with death touch got me a lot of unblocked damage last night.
@Drascin Let me actually try that deck out today with Ozoliths in it and see how it goes. I got a third one last night when I used my sealed tokens, so should be plenty to give it a fair shot.
Yeah but the issue with running him would be that my deck would want like, two more forests and it was already a little greedy
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(Mana Base is 2 plains, 8 Swamps, 5 Forests and 1 Blossoming Sands)
This got me 3 wins in 3 games... including in one where i frankly refused to mulligan a hand i should not have kept.
Honestly, i don't know how to draft. I just pick the cards with the cool art and hope i win I mean I have low confidence in my ability to appraise card value, which leads me to have my most successful runs with the decks i go "UGH I DRAFTED INCREDIBLY BADLY" with.
Anyway, constructive crit would be muchly appreciated. I feel like Biollante Nethroi might be a bit of a greedy pick since i never did end up drawing it at a point where i had a bunch of creachers in the graveyard, but it looks cool.
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That hunter, Chevill, is hilarious for playing (usually unintentional) mind games with people. I'd put a counter on the creature I thought I was most likely to be able to kill next, and some players start spending waaaay more time trying to decide if they should attack with it or not and often end up leaving them back instead. Even creatures that I had no readily apparent way to kill.
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That hunter, Chevill, is hilarious for playing (usually unintentional) mind games with people. I'd put a counter on the creature I thought I was most likely to be able to kill next, and some players start spending waaaay more time trying to decide if they should attack with it or not and often end up leaving them back instead. Even creatures that I had no readily apparent way to kill.
i didnt even consider the mindgame possibilities. That's pretty good to know!
(Mana Base is 2 plains, 8 Swamps, 5 Forests and 1 Blossoming Sands)
This got me 3 wins in 3 games... including in one where i frankly refused to mulligan a hand i should not have kept.
Honestly, i don't know how to draft. I just pick the cards with the cool art and hope i win I mean I have low confidence in my ability to appraise card value, which leads me to have my most successful runs with the decks i go "UGH I DRAFTED INCREDIBLY BADLY" with.
Anyway, constructive crit would be muchly appreciated. I feel like Biollante Nethroi might be a bit of a greedy pick since i never did end up drawing it at a point where i had a bunch of creachers in the graveyard, but it looks cool.
The splash is fine.
Mothers’s Great Cocoon is bad. Most one drops are bad. The 4-mana 3/5 with vigilance is good enough to run. Blitz Leech is incredible and should never be cut. One Dark Bargain is OK. You kind of didn’t draft any top end at all besides your apex beast, and you can get away with a big beater pretty easily.
To explain the cocoon, it’s like playing an aura that costs 1 to give a creature +1/+1. Unless you’re deep on synergy for it, it’s not very worth, and there are better cheap mutate targets in black already.
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yeah I like the Egg/Cocoon in specific circumstances, like if you have a bunch of creatures that need mutate targets early, like Parcelbeast or Migratory Greathorn
(Mana Base is 2 plains, 8 Swamps, 5 Forests and 1 Blossoming Sands)
This got me 3 wins in 3 games... including in one where i frankly refused to mulligan a hand i should not have kept.
Honestly, i don't know how to draft. I just pick the cards with the cool art and hope i win I mean I have low confidence in my ability to appraise card value, which leads me to have my most successful runs with the decks i go "UGH I DRAFTED INCREDIBLY BADLY" with.
Anyway, constructive crit would be muchly appreciated. I feel like Biollante Nethroi might be a bit of a greedy pick since i never did end up drawing it at a point where i had a bunch of creachers in the graveyard, but it looks cool.
The splash is fine.
Mothers’s Great Cocoon is bad. Most one drops are bad. The 4-mana 3/5 with vigilance is good enough to run. Blitz Leech is incredible and should never be cut. One Dark Bargain is OK. You kind of didn’t draft any top end at all besides your apex beast, and you can get away with a big beater pretty easily.
To explain the cocoon, it’s like playing an aura that costs 1 to give a creature +1/+1. Unless you’re deep on synergy for it, it’s not very worth, and there are better cheap mutate targets in black already.
Ended up getting 3:3. I'm satisfied, though i could've won one of the games if i had remembered that the goshed darned jellyfish can untap itself.
Felt real dumb when i didn't kill that one when i had the chance.
ANY WAY, I get that the coccoon/egg isn't that good, but... I think it worked decently well with the spider mutating onto it. Still, that's noted.
As for me not getting top-end cards... Yeah, IDK if I'm doing something wrong but it seems like i never see more than one or MAYBE two top-end cards whenever i draft.
If there's a good way to get better cards to pick from i'd love to know. :razz:
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Okay, so this is what I have.
P1p1 was Nethroi. The main question I have is "Is the white splash worth it?" Advantages: Vulpikeet for evasion, Pacifism, and the ability to regular cast Nethroi. Could also get the glider in there for more flying. Downsides: less consistent, I could replace the pacifism with another ram through, and maybe the boar is relevant enough evasion to swap the vulpikeet out? My thought is that this deck can afford to go long, so play a lot of removal and win with value with Nethroi eventually.
Fertilid, two farfinders, and a dual land mean that you absolutely splash white there.
Brushwagg and Mysterious Egg are easy cuts and should be replaced with creatures that actually do things. You've got basically no mutate payoffs that desperately need you to mutate T3 and you can put in some more midrange creatures with your level of ramp and fixing. Lurking Deadeye, Dark Bargain, even the Capridor or a Bristling Boar start to look good.
Fertilid, two farfinders, and a dual land mean that you absolutely splash white there.
Brushwagg and Mysterious Egg are easy cuts and should be replaced with creatures that actually do things. You've got basically no mutate payoffs that desperately need you to mutate T3 and you can put in some more midrange creatures with your level of ramp and fixing. Lurking Deadeye, Dark Bargain, even the Capridor or a Bristling Boar start to look good.
Both deadeye and dark bargain make the brushwagg significantly better as you can hold up threat of activation on defense without losing tempo since they're all 4 mana instant speed.
I might instead cut the goriak in that case as they fulfil a similar role and the brushwagg is a better mutate target
Here's the deck I'm running right now and one of the games I've played so far.
I copied this deck because it looks like fun. It gets absolutely hosed by Narset and you can't do anything to remove it.
Yeah, I've ranted about Narset across several pages of several of these threads. It sucks and you can't deal with it unless you counter or hit it with Fire Prophecy. You also don't run into Narset all of the time though and my goals for Magic are playing decks that I build and think are fun.
I'm all about fun decks. I took your deck and changed it to Jeskai and it's just as awesome. Additional lands not in the grab is 3 Tri-cycle and 4 Fabled Passage.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
I'm playing Tajic in my Winota deck and a lot of people forget that he protects other creatures from non-combat damage.
I had a game against a cat/oven deck where he repeatedly tried pinging my 1/1's with his Mayhem Devil. I don't think he ever realised what was going on.
I'm listening to the Limited Resources sunset show and my snap judgment is that Marshall and LSV play almost exclusively MTGO because their experiences in drafting are so vastly different from mine. That being said, they also draft about 800x more than me. Similarly, I feel their draft strats and play decisions echo the fact that you play against your draft pod on MTGO (that may be a wild assumption on my part) and not against randos who also just drafted against bots. Also, someone tell me I'm wrong but is drafting on MTGO not all Bo3?
Again, I could be wrong on some of this. I'm thinking the human drafts in Arena with Ikoria will start swinging strats and play decisions more in line with MTGO going forward. I agree that Black was strong but I saw a TON more Green decks than Black when drafting in Arena; and high rated Black cards were showing up very very late in bot drafts, which threw off a lot of my strats. (It also didn't help that I'm still inexperienced at draft and I think I still have to get experience with finding Bombs; which is also why I'm not looking forward to Ikoria) I would repeatedly try to go heavy Black, then go to play things out and people would roll over me with UG or WG decks.
The boys rated Tyamaret, Chosen from Death as arguably the best "Mythic Uncommon" in the set, yet I think I only played against it twice. And in one of those instances, I was very very lightly into Escape and yet my opponent kept randomly killing cards from both our GYs and not getting any life for it. It was confusing. I found little value in his "GY mill" ability (my term), but it could also point to what types of decks I enjoy drafting.
I should have asked earlier in the format. Did anyone try drafting Mono-Black or Mono-Black-splash-something and actually have decent success?
I'm listening to the Limited Resources sunset show and my snap judgment is that Marshall and LSV play almost exclusively MTGO because their experiences in drafting are so vastly different from mine. That being said, they also draft about 800x more than me. Similarly, I feel their draft strats and play decisions echo the fact that you play against your draft pod on MTGO (that may be a wild assumption on my part) and not against randos who also just drafted against bots. Also, someone tell me I'm wrong but is drafting on MTGO not all Bo3?
Again, I could be wrong on some of this. I'm thinking the human drafts in Arena with Ikoria will start swinging strats and play decisions more in line with MTGO going forward. I agree that Black was strong but I saw a TON more Green decks than Black when drafting in Arena; and high rated Black cards were showing up very very late in bot drafts, which threw off a lot of my strats. (It also didn't help that I'm still inexperienced at draft and I think I still have to get experience with finding Bombs; which is also why I'm not looking forward to Ikoria) I would repeatedly try to go heavy Black, then go to play things out and people would roll over me with UG or WG decks.
The boys rated Tyamaret, Chosen from Death as arguably the best "Mythic Uncommon" in the set, yet I think I only played against it twice. And in one of those instances, I was very very lightly into Escape and yet my opponent kept randomly killing cards from both our GYs and not getting any life for it. It was confusing. I found little value in his "GY mill" ability (my term), but it could also point to what types of decks I enjoy drafting.
I should have asked earlier in the format. Did anyone try drafting Mono-Black or Mono-Black-splash-something and actually have decent success?
Yeah. I got some good runs with near mono black, usually splashing some green or white. On of the big problems with drafting vs bots was there wasn't a big feeding frenzy on black to give the other colors a chance.
Black is hands down the best color if you don't pull one of the big bombs of the set. Except for the drain 2 life escape card, every black card in the set is limited playable. Black had great escape cards, and great ways to fill the graveyard, and great removal.
Tyamaret is a good blocker and graveyard hate, and life gain all in one card. Escape was the most powerful thing happening in the set, and he could shut it off.
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I'm listening to the Limited Resources sunset show and my snap judgment is that Marshall and LSV play almost exclusively MTGO because their experiences in drafting are so vastly different from mine. That being said, they also draft about 800x more than me. Similarly, I feel their draft strats and play decisions echo the fact that you play against your draft pod on MTGO (that may be a wild assumption on my part) and not against randos who also just drafted against bots. Also, someone tell me I'm wrong but is drafting on MTGO not all Bo3?
Again, I could be wrong on some of this. I'm thinking the human drafts in Arena with Ikoria will start swinging strats and play decisions more in line with MTGO going forward. I agree that Black was strong but I saw a TON more Green decks than Black when drafting in Arena; and high rated Black cards were showing up very very late in bot drafts, which threw off a lot of my strats. (It also didn't help that I'm still inexperienced at draft and I think I still have to get experience with finding Bombs; which is also why I'm not looking forward to Ikoria) I would repeatedly try to go heavy Black, then go to play things out and people would roll over me with UG or WG decks.
The boys rated Tyamaret, Chosen from Death as arguably the best "Mythic Uncommon" in the set, yet I think I only played against it twice. And in one of those instances, I was very very lightly into Escape and yet my opponent kept randomly killing cards from both our GYs and not getting any life for it. It was confusing. I found little value in his "GY mill" ability (my term), but it could also point to what types of decks I enjoy drafting.
I should have asked earlier in the format. Did anyone try drafting Mono-Black or Mono-Black-splash-something and actually have decent success?
I’m pretty sure both Marshall and LSV openly admitted to not doing much Arena drafting for Eldraine and I’m sure the same applies to Theros.
But now arena also has player drafting so the experiences should converge
Edit: also the majority of MTGO drafts are now league drafts meaning that you draft in a pod but play against a pool of people drafting the set, whether they were in your pod or not
I'm listening to the Limited Resources sunset show and my snap judgment is that Marshall and LSV play almost exclusively MTGO because their experiences in drafting are so vastly different from mine. That being said, they also draft about 800x more than me. Similarly, I feel their draft strats and play decisions echo the fact that you play against your draft pod on MTGO (that may be a wild assumption on my part) and not against randos who also just drafted against bots. Also, someone tell me I'm wrong but is drafting on MTGO not all Bo3?
Again, I could be wrong on some of this. I'm thinking the human drafts in Arena with Ikoria will start swinging strats and play decisions more in line with MTGO going forward. I agree that Black was strong but I saw a TON more Green decks than Black when drafting in Arena; and high rated Black cards were showing up very very late in bot drafts, which threw off a lot of my strats. (It also didn't help that I'm still inexperienced at draft and I think I still have to get experience with finding Bombs; which is also why I'm not looking forward to Ikoria) I would repeatedly try to go heavy Black, then go to play things out and people would roll over me with UG or WG decks.
The boys rated Tyamaret, Chosen from Death as arguably the best "Mythic Uncommon" in the set, yet I think I only played against it twice. And in one of those instances, I was very very lightly into Escape and yet my opponent kept randomly killing cards from both our GYs and not getting any life for it. It was confusing. I found little value in his "GY mill" ability (my term), but it could also point to what types of decks I enjoy drafting.
I should have asked earlier in the format. Did anyone try drafting Mono-Black or Mono-Black-splash-something and actually have decent success?
I’m pretty sure both Marshall and LSV openly admitted to not doing much Arena drafting for Eldraine and I’m sure the same applies to Theros.
But now arena also has player drafting so the experiences should converge
Edit: also the majority of MTGO drafts are now league drafts meaning that you draft in a pod but play against a pool of people drafting the set, whether they were in your pod or not
Thank you. That's pretty much what I expected.
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Something I can't quite wrap my head around is that if you mutate something on top of a land Nissa has made into a creature, it stays a 3/3 and not the stats of the mutated creature. Is that a bug or is there a reason for that?
I would expect it to get the stats of the mutated creature with three +1/+1 counters.
Something I can't quite wrap my head around is that if you mutate something on top of a land Nissa has made into a creature, it stays a 3/3 and not the stats of the mutated creature. Is that a bug or is there a reason for that?
I would expect it to get the stats of the mutated creature with three +1/+1 counters.
Did you put the land on top by accident? Because it absolutely should get the counters.
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I am wondering on how to retool my own counters deck to make use of Ominous Seas and Ozolith. What list are you running?
Yeah, I've ranted about Narset across several pages of several of these threads. It sucks and you can't deal with it unless you counter or hit it with Fire Prophecy. You also don't run into Narset all of the time though and my goals for Magic are playing decks that I build and think are fun.
Everybody has great cards and I just and up collecting 40 card trash.
At least I got wheeled a winota, so maybe I am going to make a winota Mardi humans deck.
Or a unexpected yidaro sharknado deck.
Like it seems real good but then I tried to play it and I just never had a chance to cast it in 9 games.
There are quite a few cards in the format it should blowout, but somehow it never lined up.
In Bo1 probably a trap. In Bo3 useful sideboard against some decks but probably still a trap.
I did 3 Premier drafts yesterday: 0-3 (that was my free one, at least?), 3-3, 3-3. The problem with playing "outside of pod" is that some pods just open packs that are trash. This is usually corrected for by the pairing structue; by definition an 8-player pod breaks down to the same 8 results (barring draws, which are impossible on Arena without shenanigans). But if you get paired up against someone from a pod that opened nonsense, you're gonna get bodied more often than not.
Unfortunately "league" play is the only feasible way to handle games on Arena because a lot of people aren't able to commit to a full 4-5 hour session to complete a pod. (Even in quarantine there's other shit that needs attention.)
It's a very different feeling when you gotta hurry your picks.
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You deserve all the bonus points for getting companion to work in a limited environment. Very cool.
It's funny but I've enjoyed human draft significantly more than bot draft and I'm not sure why. Theoretically, these humans could just be AIs and I won't be able to tell the difference at this stage in the set. One difference I did notice is that more rares are being passed. I picked 5 rares in my first draft and I could have picked up 6 if I didn't pass 1 for a premium uncommon in my colors. The thought that I'm interacting with other people who are also drafting real decks makes the whole experience more exciting.
Also public service announcement, I should not be getting 6th-7th pick farfinders. That card goes in almost ever deck and while I can see having 2-3 cards in a pack that are better than it, it should not be making its way that far around to the table to me.
Indeed I had a he dinosaurs, cats and etc get +1/+1 in my opening pack and once got it wheeled, both times it dominated my picks. I think that is where I played myself.
Both times I had a companion but all the times it sucked.
Some of the companions are super easy to run in limited. For example, having two of the same color symbol is something I already sort of avoid in limited, so getting a free 5/5 for 5 was 7 wins for me.
I figure it helps out the other players but also..... IDK, is that dumb?
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I would not do this, but i fully respect you trying to be nice.
ideally you take stuff that will help signal to your seatmates. You can also hate draft stuff. Just because you might not face them doesn't mean you definitely WON'T face them.
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Companion is really not that bad in sealed tbh, you can afford to go quite deep on marginal cards for the guarantee of a 4-5 star bomb in hand every game. The worst part wasn't even meeting the companion requirement, it's that between my white being good, gyaruda being BB (or UU) and needing destoroyah, my manabase was rough. Splashing the recursive golgari mutate card was a risk but it paid off, and I'm glad I didn't play the GB bounty hunter.
Oh, also, the other three rares in my pod were three different ultimatums
The GB bounty hunter is great for drawing removal spells away from other creatures you actually care about. He also worked out nicely for me with two of those green creatures that allow you to change the stats of one of your humans to 4/4 when the creature attacks. 4/4 with death touch got me a lot of unblocked damage last night.
@Drascin Let me actually try that deck out today with Ozoliths in it and see how it goes. I got a third one last night when I used my sealed tokens, so should be plenty to give it a fair shot.
(Mana Base is 2 plains, 8 Swamps, 5 Forests and 1 Blossoming Sands)
This got me 3 wins in 3 games... including in one where i frankly refused to mulligan a hand i should not have kept.
Honestly, i don't know how to draft. I just pick the cards with the cool art and hope i win I mean I have low confidence in my ability to appraise card value, which leads me to have my most successful runs with the decks i go "UGH I DRAFTED INCREDIBLY BADLY" with.
Anyway, constructive crit would be muchly appreciated. I feel like Biollante Nethroi might be a bit of a greedy pick since i never did end up drawing it at a point where i had a bunch of creachers in the graveyard, but it looks cool.
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i didnt even consider the mindgame possibilities. That's pretty good to know!
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The splash is fine.
Mothers’s Great Cocoon is bad. Most one drops are bad. The 4-mana 3/5 with vigilance is good enough to run. Blitz Leech is incredible and should never be cut. One Dark Bargain is OK. You kind of didn’t draft any top end at all besides your apex beast, and you can get away with a big beater pretty easily.
To explain the cocoon, it’s like playing an aura that costs 1 to give a creature +1/+1. Unless you’re deep on synergy for it, it’s not very worth, and there are better cheap mutate targets in black already.
Ended up getting 3:3. I'm satisfied, though i could've won one of the games if i had remembered that the goshed darned jellyfish can untap itself.
Felt real dumb when i didn't kill that one when i had the chance.
ANY WAY, I get that the coccoon/egg isn't that good, but... I think it worked decently well with the spider mutating onto it. Still, that's noted.
As for me not getting top-end cards... Yeah, IDK if I'm doing something wrong but it seems like i never see more than one or MAYBE two top-end cards whenever i draft.
If there's a good way to get better cards to pick from i'd love to know. :razz:
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Thoughts?
Brushwagg and Mysterious Egg are easy cuts and should be replaced with creatures that actually do things. You've got basically no mutate payoffs that desperately need you to mutate T3 and you can put in some more midrange creatures with your level of ramp and fixing. Lurking Deadeye, Dark Bargain, even the Capridor or a Bristling Boar start to look good.
EDIT: 7-1. That felt great.
Both deadeye and dark bargain make the brushwagg significantly better as you can hold up threat of activation on defense without losing tempo since they're all 4 mana instant speed.
I might instead cut the goriak in that case as they fulfil a similar role and the brushwagg is a better mutate target
I'm all about fun decks. I took your deck and changed it to Jeskai and it's just as awesome. Additional lands not in the grab is 3 Tri-cycle and 4 Fabled Passage.
On that note, please don't play Extinction Event for reasons...
I had a game against a cat/oven deck where he repeatedly tried pinging my 1/1's with his Mayhem Devil. I don't think he ever realised what was going on.
Again, I could be wrong on some of this. I'm thinking the human drafts in Arena with Ikoria will start swinging strats and play decisions more in line with MTGO going forward. I agree that Black was strong but I saw a TON more Green decks than Black when drafting in Arena; and high rated Black cards were showing up very very late in bot drafts, which threw off a lot of my strats. (It also didn't help that I'm still inexperienced at draft and I think I still have to get experience with finding Bombs; which is also why I'm not looking forward to Ikoria) I would repeatedly try to go heavy Black, then go to play things out and people would roll over me with UG or WG decks.
The boys rated Tyamaret, Chosen from Death as arguably the best "Mythic Uncommon" in the set, yet I think I only played against it twice. And in one of those instances, I was very very lightly into Escape and yet my opponent kept randomly killing cards from both our GYs and not getting any life for it. It was confusing. I found little value in his "GY mill" ability (my term), but it could also point to what types of decks I enjoy drafting.
I should have asked earlier in the format. Did anyone try drafting Mono-Black or Mono-Black-splash-something and actually have decent success?
Just tried sealed and of my 6 rares, 4 were companions.... They all have decent stats so I might just run them all in the deck.
Yeah. I got some good runs with near mono black, usually splashing some green or white. On of the big problems with drafting vs bots was there wasn't a big feeding frenzy on black to give the other colors a chance.
Black is hands down the best color if you don't pull one of the big bombs of the set. Except for the drain 2 life escape card, every black card in the set is limited playable. Black had great escape cards, and great ways to fill the graveyard, and great removal.
Tyamaret is a good blocker and graveyard hate, and life gain all in one card. Escape was the most powerful thing happening in the set, and he could shut it off.
I’m pretty sure both Marshall and LSV openly admitted to not doing much Arena drafting for Eldraine and I’m sure the same applies to Theros.
But now arena also has player drafting so the experiences should converge
Edit: also the majority of MTGO drafts are now league drafts meaning that you draft in a pod but play against a pool of people drafting the set, whether they were in your pod or not
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Thank you. That's pretty much what I expected.
Yorion is most useful with lots and lots of mutate cards.
Cause when you flicker a mutated creature, all the creatures under it also return to the board.
This is giving me a headache just thinking about it.
I would expect it to get the stats of the mutated creature with three +1/+1 counters.
Did you put the land on top by accident? Because it absolutely should get the counters.