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[Zodiac Phalla] Monday the 8th: The Taste of Victory [Larg Victory!]
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With the revealation of item holders not always seering (and only have a small chance of seering positive for items) this plan is suicide for the two normal sides. The best thing in the world for the holy stone holders is to be in the middle of the network laughing.
It sucks but we may only be able to trust specials if they're confirmed to not be able to be stone holders.
In the mean time, I !vote TehSpectre for death. The more I think about this idea the more it stinks. Normally I'd say you're just mistaken but you've proven more than capable to try and pull one over the entire population of the game.
Fool me once....
Edit: Wait, that wouldn't happen in a Phalla, because the Good guys wouldn't ever be able to win. Nevermind.
The fact of the matter is that they can't really be confirmed by anyone else by an oracle, which get their visions late; late enough that they may be totally useless (That is right, right, Hylianbunny? If an Oracle requests a vision on say, night 1, then they don't get the results until night 2?).
If that's the case, then it is probably to both sides' equal advantage that the specials remain under wraps while the Oracles do their stuff. I know the knight is leaving himself open for attack, but if he is well hidden, he probably won't be randomly sought out by a ninja, unless that ninja is VERY lucky.
This will probably be bad for the Holy Stones users no matter the situation.
1. If both TehSpectre and Infidel are telling the truth, then both sides will be forming networks by Night 3. Of course, Holy Stoners from their sides will be able to infiltrate the network; The Oracle will have some tough time seering anyone they see fit inside that network.
(Question--the Holy Stoners aren't all networked from the start, right? Because this could be the most fatal flaw of this entire idea.)
2. If TehSpectre and Infidel are on the same side...the truth is, I've typed out so many possible solutions for this, but damn. That is tough, and pretty shitty for the other side. I'm not certain how this would play out for the Holy Stoners. Ok, count this one as Super Fatal Flaw 2: The Fatalling.
3. The BEST CASE scenario, really, is if the bastards are both Holy Stoners. Both factions hate the Holy Stoners, and so the vote and ninjas can be used to kick their asses from here to Tijuana. The Oracles may have to out themselves to pass this information on, of course; This is fatal flaw 3.
However, I'm ignoring the idea that shit will be going down between now and night 2. Shit probably will be going down. That's the nature of Phalla. This is all I can think to do at present, with the cards that have been dealt to us.
I'm with a bunch of you guys who advocate bringing down the Holy Stoners first. Those bastards.
PS: Moogle suffrage is a progressive movement, kupo-po! It all started in Ivalica Falls, New Rabanastre, with Ekupobeth Cady Kupoton and others.
Also: "How many moogles does it take to change a lightbulb?" If you answer "None, moogles can't change anything," you might find certain important components of your airship no longer serviceable, pigs.
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Also, do the Stone users get additional kills? I don't recall seeing anything on that, but I imagine they do.
The Stone users have their own kill list, like the aliens in VtP or the Sabbat in your own game.
Who's to say that the oracle, is an oracle and not a charlatan?
We would need someone to seer the oracle, but whose to say the oracle who oracled the oracle is an oracle themselves?
And say the supposed oracle is surely an oracle, then they must be protected by a knight post-haste or surely the other side will snuff them out!
Does this not seem like a trick put out by the holders of stones? If oracles come forth and are not gaurded then both sides have an eye put out, and the stone holders can roam free. If we gaurd our oracles we expose our knights, and once removed another shot can be made directly at our eyes.
And for that I !vote TehSpectre for death
TehSpectre is the one who revealed himself first. Making him most likely the one to have concoted the whole plan. Infidel himself might too be a stone holder, or he could prehaps just be a man who followed in TehSpectre's footsteps, trying to level the playing field without realizing he might just be worsening everyone's chance at survival.
For now, I'll stay with my first promise. Death to Orlandu.
!vote robothero
(He was the first.)
But for now his plan seems to have more holes than a peasent's robes!
I don't think tehspectre is a zodiac stoner, more likely he is just a normal member of one of the two knight groups. He did the same exact thing in the vampire phalla when he was a vanilla villager (in other words try his best to place himself in the center of the network), of course in vampire he was killed on day 1.
I won't be around until 10pm EST. No, it's not a strategy to avoid posting.
After this post, tonight, I'll be nothing but a roleplaying emo-Wiegraf.
Oh, you have to die, !vote shamus the giovanni
Honestly the first day doesn't end until tomorrow night, so no hurry.
The vote doesn't actually end until monday night, we just have an extra day to accuse people.
An extra day to grope blindly and hope we stumble upon a zodiac stoner
The fool, or the fool who follows ...
I !retract my vote for TehSpectre to be executed.
and
I !vote for Infidel to be executed.
Hell dycedarg is by far the biggest bastard in a game full of them, so there are plenty enough reasons for him to die as it is.
edit: Maybe delita is the biggest bastard, oh well dycedarg is second then
Orlandu has spoken: !vote cj iwakura (for now)
Luckily we have until Monday night before voting closes. People will keep babbling on and hopefully someone slips.
It would be great if major revelations like this were edited into the OP as well. I was blissfully unaware of this rule until I saw DA's post, even though it has major impact on the game and the ongoing insta-network debate.
In this light, the seers are very useful in the team vs. team game, but of very limited use in finding the holy stone people (stoners?), and secure networks can only include specials until the stones on that particular team have been found. It would follow that the specials should concentrate on staying alive and finding each other rather than take their chances with either of the wannabe mouthpieces.
-Oscar Wilde
I take it to mean you only have a chance to seer the 4 item holders. I'm assuming the zodiac braves are roles, since the stones (I'm assuming) do not transfer once a zodiac brave dies. That's my current assumption.
To the Orlandu's of the group. You should vote something like: !I Dark Sword XXXXX.
Then again, if we are doing some roleplaying, I could either accuse or shoot my voting target of the night heh.
EDIT: Might as well put up the spreadsheet with the current vote tally: Current Spreadsheet (as of post 147)
You just have to be on the side with more greens...and more greens, if you know what I mean, and I think you do :winky:
I guess each side has an equal amount of specials, so my deduction, jdarksun is the opposite chocobo of me
But still, TehSpectre seems like he is totally grasping at straws in an effort to survive. Gain the trust of the people, and he can secretly kill them off one by one...
My chocobo sense is tingling. I !vote TehSpectre to death!
Always wanted a mount. 6-7 movement beats the 3 I get anyways.
I !Summon Ifrit to eat tehspectre
I had this plan ready even before the game started and I shared it with Ardor for what it's worth.
I just want to live and figured me chances were pretty low unless I threw out some kind of gambit. I do appreciate the people not voting for me however.
I did this in VtM and was killed for it, don't do this to me again folks. I already have a decent spreadsheet, with a few other Larg-ers having contacted me. I cannot prove them for the moment, but I am pretty sure that they are on the level. Then again, this happened to me day 1 of the VtM phalla as well.
Don't kill me guys, I wanna plaaaaay!
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:P
Blame yourself... or God.
I'm going to point out that their wasn't a bandwagon on you this game until you did something very stupid. Sure, we disagree about it being stupid but if it keeps getting you killed and you don't want to die, then doing the same thing and expecting different results is fairly stupid.
I was under the impression that stoners would seer as stoners? Sorry if I missed that... if theres no way to seer the stoners, we just might have to kill off the better players right away and just hope for the best. This is going to be a very interesting phalla indeed.
If the answer to the above is no (well except for the ninja bit) then each family could put together a smallish network with 100% certainty. Though that's going to be a bitch to manage without being eaten by stone holders.