Rudy Giuliani is, inexplicably, a lawyer... the president's lawyer
Is he being willfully ignorant about the impeachment process, or is he just the worst lawyer of all time?
Por que no los dos?
it’s not the worst play if you’re banking on the american people being ignorant of the differences between impeachment and a criminal trial
which i mean
probably most people
One googly-eyed animal to another, I think Rudy is so senile there's no way this is an intentional strategy instead of just random flailing
No this is actually the strategy. It lines up - minority in the house claiming they're being silenced and demanding due process, the leaked talking points (both sets), Trump's refusal to hand over documents, Rudy's comment here, it's all adding up to an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the impeachment before it occurs.
This is orchestrated and intentional - it's the angle they've settled on. Whether it works is open but it's a repeat of Mueller, but things are moving much faster now.
..The messaging itself was crafted with focused intent, but whether Rudy's recent regurgitation of it is calculated strategy, or a panicked plea to not be coffee-boy'd, is anyone's guess today.
I half suspect that tweet was because Rudy is pissed he doesn't have direct access to the the ambassador's closed session testimony. Which could also explain those weird talking points circulated about how suddenly concerned the State Dept is that she didn't have a State Dept. lawyer present. But I'm assuming one of the Republicans on the committee is just going to leak it to him anyway so, I'm not sure that theory makes sense.
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Rudy Giuliani is, inexplicably, a lawyer... the president's lawyer
Is he being willfully ignorant about the impeachment process, or is he just the worst lawyer of all time?
Por que no los dos?
it’s not the worst play if you’re banking on the american people being ignorant of the differences between impeachment and a criminal trial
which i mean
probably most people
One googly-eyed animal to another, I think Rudy is so senile there's no way this is an intentional strategy instead of just random flailing
No this is actually the strategy. It lines up - minority in the house claiming they're being silenced and demanding due process, the leaked talking points (both sets), Trump's refusal to hand over documents, Rudy's comment here, it's all adding up to an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the impeachment before it occurs.
This is orchestrated and intentional - it's the angle they've settled on. Whether it works is open but it's a repeat of Mueller, but things are moving much faster now.
Rudy's tweet here is just repeating the same talking points in Kevin McCarthy's demands to Pelosi last week.
The messaging itself was crafted with focused intent, but whether Rudy's recent regurgitation of it is calculated strategy, or a panicked plea to not be coffee-boy'd, is anyone's guess today.
Also: Why is there a single word for being thrown out of a window but not under a bus?
The previous bullshit worked against mueller because of how long it took to come out, and they were able to control the message. This just kind of continually blows up more and more everyday, and you have complete idiots like Rudy on news shows admitting to crimes we didn't even know yet, you can't control this message.
Also, the Mueller report being longer than 8 pages. People actually read the memo and the Whistleblower report.
More specifically, the media actually read it this time. It got freaking Sunday show hosts to actually have pushback against republican talking points!
Rudy Giuliani is, inexplicably, a lawyer... the president's lawyer
Is he being willfully ignorant about the impeachment process, or is he just the worst lawyer of all time?
Por que no los dos?
it’s not the worst play if you’re banking on the american people being ignorant of the differences between impeachment and a criminal trial
which i mean
probably most people
One googly-eyed animal to another, I think Rudy is so senile there's no way this is an intentional strategy instead of just random flailing
No this is actually the strategy. It lines up - minority in the house claiming they're being silenced and demanding due process, the leaked talking points (both sets), Trump's refusal to hand over documents, Rudy's comment here, it's all adding up to an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the impeachment before it occurs.
This is orchestrated and intentional - it's the angle they've settled on. Whether it works is open but it's a repeat of Mueller, but things are moving much faster now.
..The messaging itself was crafted with focused intent, but whether Rudy's recent regurgitation of it is calculated strategy, or a panicked plea to not be coffee-boy'd, is anyone's guess today.
I half suspect that tweet was because Rudy is pissed he doesn't have direct access to the the ambassador's closed session testimony. Which could also explain those weird talking points circulated about how suddenly concerned the State Dept is that she didn't have a State Dept. lawyer present. But I'm assuming one of the Republicans on the committee is just going to leak it to him anyway so, I'm not sure that theory makes sense.
yeah well of course they're worried - Pompeo wants to control the message coming out of his department in order to keep a lid on things.
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So if you have friends and family in your life that ask - as some of mine do - "what law did he break?", I think this piece written by members of the Watergate special prosecutor force might possibly help:
In our considered view, the same three articles of impeachment could be specified against Trump, as he has demonstrated serious and persistent abuses of power that, in our view, satisfy the constitutional standard of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” For example:
● Trump conditioned protection of the military security of the United States and of an ally (Ukraine) on actions for his personal political benefit.
● Trump subordinated the integrity of our national electoral process to his own personal political interest by soliciting and encouraging foreign government interference in our electoral process, including by Russia and China. He also appears to have demanded that Ukraine investigate a potential 2020 political opponent and pursue the conspiracy theory that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 presidential election, despite the unanimous conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community that it was Russia that had interfered.
● According to the evidence laid out in the Mueller report, Trump engaged in multiple acts of obstruction of justice in violation of federal criminal statutes and of his oath of office to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Because Mueller viewed Justice Department policy as precluding him from filing criminal charges against the president, the special counsel appropriately stated that these abuses are for Congress to address.
● Trump obstructed lawful congressional investigations by systematically withholding evidence and by directing government agencies and employees to refuse to cooperate with legitimate oversight by Congress. Most significantly, the president’s blanket refusal to honor requests for relevant information sought by House members conducting an impeachment inquiry constitutes impeachable contempt and obstruction. The public is entitled to know the facts, and Congress is the body our democracy has entrusted with uncovering them.
In my case I have an uphill battle because some of my family thinks Nixon was railroaded, but for less-touched humans this may be helpful!
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
Michael Schmidt of the NY Times: NEW: SDNY, an office Giuliani once led, is investigating whether he broke foreign lobbying laws in his dealings in Ukraine and are examining his
efforts to remove the US ambassador to Ukraine.
Michael Schmidt of the NY Times: NEW: SDNY, an office Giuliani once led, is investigating whether he broke foreign lobbying laws in his dealings in Ukraine and are examining his
efforts to remove the US ambassador to Ukraine.
Giuliani says in that story that he couldn't have committed the crime of illegal lobbying for a foreign entity because he was working for the president...which is to say the impeachable offense.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Hey Giuliani, remember when you said that Hill couldn't possibly know that you circumvented normal channels with Sondland in order to speak to Trump to plan your shadow foreign policy?
You uh, you just admitted to doing that.
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That's like saying, "it wasn't illegal for me to rob the bank, because the bank president asked me to!"
You didn't make your defense better, you just made someone else's worse.
These aides have told Trump that Giuliani was only damaging his defense -- and after Thursday's arrests, Trump has raised his own questions privately about Giuliani's culpability, according to people familiar with his concerns.
Asked by CNN Thursday if he feared his personal attorney could be indicted potentially, Trump said: "I hope not."
He then put distance between himself and the actions undertaken by his lawyer.
"You know, he's got a lot of clients. So, I just don't know. I haven't spoken to Rudy about it, I don't know," Trump said.
Everybody should have seen this coming!
C'mon rudy, you dragged pompeo under the grey hound you can do it to trump too!
Rudy Giuliani is, inexplicably, a lawyer... the president's lawyer
Is he being willfully ignorant about the impeachment process, or is he just the worst lawyer of all time?
Por que no los dos?
it’s not the worst play if you’re banking on the american people being ignorant of the differences between impeachment and a criminal trial
which i mean
probably most people
One googly-eyed animal to another, I think Rudy is so senile there's no way this is an intentional strategy instead of just random flailing
No this is actually the strategy. It lines up - minority in the house claiming they're being silenced and demanding due process, the leaked talking points (both sets), Trump's refusal to hand over documents, Rudy's comment here, it's all adding up to an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the impeachment before it occurs.
This is orchestrated and intentional - it's the angle they've settled on. Whether it works is open but it's a repeat of Mueller, but things are moving much faster now.
The big message here really is that even the trump loyalists don't see any way to contest the essence of the charges, so they have to raise a big stink about process. There's basically not even any attempt to address the actual meat of the accusations.
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Their defense appears to be focused around claiming everything that is happening is completely unfair, Trump is being denied due process to defend himself (despite him digging a further hole every time he speaks) and that they can't intimidate/threaten witnesses like they want to do. There is a huge disincentive to actually deal with the core meat of the complaints and allegations, because they are so obviously damming. I will say I feel this worked with Mueller and they're trying it again, but it's less successful this time because it's - once again - just so damn obvious what they are doing.
I also wonder what the Democrats actually knew when they called the impeachment inquiry. I'm beginning to suspect they had a lot more than just a whistleblower complaint alleging some bad stuff that they hadn't even seen before immediately launching it. They had almost as much reason to launch this kind of impeachment when Mueller was doing his investigations, but did so instantly here.
What did they know or might know that hasn't been revealed yet?
These aides have told Trump that Giuliani was only damaging his defense -- and after Thursday's arrests, Trump has raised his own questions privately about Giuliani's culpability, according to people familiar with his concerns.
Asked by CNN Thursday if he feared his personal attorney could be indicted potentially, Trump said: "I hope not."
He then put distance between himself and the actions undertaken by his lawyer.
"You know, he's got a lot of clients. So, I just don't know. I haven't spoken to Rudy about it, I don't know," Trump said.
Everybody should have seen this coming!
C'mon rudy, you dragged pompeo under the grey hound you can do it to trump too!
He'd be the worst witness ever if he tried to flip. I say we just let him down
Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
Donald Trump tried to distance himself from the latest scandal that threatens his presidency on Thursday by saying he didn’t know either of the foreign-born Rudy Giuliani associates that his own Justice Department had just indicted for alleged campaign finance violations.
But that’s not what one of the men said three years ago — while attending Trump’s invite-only 2016 election night party in New York.
By way of discounting the story, Sean Spicer throws a probably inadvertent chunk of shade at Trump:
Former White House press secretary Sean Spicer, who was spokesman for the Republican National Committee at the time, recalled, “I think up until the wee hours of the morning it was not a tough ticket. Put it that way. I just remember bringing people in there with me. It was not the most challenging event to get into.”
Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
I'll settle for the legal system impact cratering the man from orbit once he leaves office.
Then he can spend the next remaining decade or so in jail. I doubt he'll live much longer, so we'll just have to settle for burning down his criminal empire and everybody associated with him.
And his children can now get real jobs.
Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
I'll settle for the legal system impact cratering the man from orbit once he leaves office.
Then he can spend the next remaining decade or so in jail. I doubt he'll live much longer, so we'll just have to settle for burning down his criminal empire and everybody associated with him.
And his children can now get real jobs.
Nashville NBC affiliate ambushes Mike Pompeo with direct question of whether or not he met with Rudy Giuliani when they were both in Warsaw earlier this year.
Naturally he repeats an answer to a question the reporter did not ask, three times as she persists.
So apparently Mike Pompeo totally took a meeting with Rudy Giuliani when he was in Warsaw.
The level of shamelessness is astounding. The president personal muckraker(and apparently illegal contribution bundler) is seems to be involved in domestic and foreign policy at every level
Rudy Giuliani is, inexplicably, a lawyer... the president's lawyer
Is he being willfully ignorant about the impeachment process, or is he just the worst lawyer of all time?
Por que no los dos?
it’s not the worst play if you’re banking on the american people being ignorant of the differences between impeachment and a criminal trial
which i mean
probably most people
One googly-eyed animal to another, I think Rudy is so senile there's no way this is an intentional strategy instead of just random flailing
No this is actually the strategy. It lines up - minority in the house claiming they're being silenced and demanding due process, the leaked talking points (both sets), Trump's refusal to hand over documents, Rudy's comment here, it's all adding up to an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the impeachment before it occurs.
This is orchestrated and intentional - it's the angle they've settled on. Whether it works is open but it's a repeat of Mueller, but things are moving much faster now.
Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
Even if we ever get him on a stand, he won't tell the truth about anything, and he won't accept that anything he ever did was wrong. He would sit on the stand and "no defendant, no defendant, you're the defendant" until the prosecutor got tired of him.
If you're looking for the satisfaction of seeing him broken, you'll be disappointed, because he's wired such that he'll never admit that he did anything wrong. The best you'll get is his nuclear rage that people are not giving him the adulation he deserves.
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Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
Even if we ever get him on a stand, he won't tell the truth about anything, and he won't accept that anything he ever did was wrong. He would sit on the stand and "no defendant, no defendant, you're the defendant" until the prosecutor got tired of him.
If you're looking for the satisfaction of seeing him broken, you'll be disappointed, because he's wired such that he'll never admit that he did anything wrong. The best you'll get is his nuclear rage that people are not giving him the adulation he deserves.
He’s been on the stand before and his attitude was completely different than normal because he knew he was under oath.
Though now I suppose he’s President and assumes that protects him. On the other hand, any situation where Trump ends up having to testify is one where I doubt being the President means as much protection as it does now.
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Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
Even if we ever get him on a stand, he won't tell the truth about anything, and he won't accept that anything he ever did was wrong. He would sit on the stand and "no defendant, no defendant, you're the defendant" until the prosecutor got tired of him.
If you're looking for the satisfaction of seeing him broken, you'll be disappointed, because he's wired such that he'll never admit that he did anything wrong. The best you'll get is his nuclear rage that people are not giving him the adulation he deserves.
He’s been on the stand before and his attitude was completely different than normal because he knew he was under oath.
Though now I suppose he’s President and assumes that protects him. On the other hand, any situation where Trump ends up having to testify is one where I doubt being the President means as much protection as it does now.
Plus. When was he under oath the last time? 90s?
He is over 70 now and there are many signs he has declined alot mentally. So I wouldnt expect something different even if you get him under oath.
Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
Even if we ever get him on a stand, he won't tell the truth about anything, and he won't accept that anything he ever did was wrong. He would sit on the stand and "no defendant, no defendant, you're the defendant" until the prosecutor got tired of him.
If you're looking for the satisfaction of seeing him broken, you'll be disappointed, because he's wired such that he'll never admit that he did anything wrong. The best you'll get is his nuclear rage that people are not giving him the adulation he deserves.
He’s been on the stand before and his attitude was completely different than normal because he knew he was under oath.
Though now I suppose he’s President and assumes that protects him. On the other hand, any situation where Trump ends up having to testify is one where I doubt being the President means as much protection as it does now.
Plus. When was he under oath the last time? 90s?
He is over 70 now and there are many signs he has declined alot mentally. So I wouldnt expect something different even if you get him under oath.
If memory serves, Trump gave a deposition for some of his hateful rhetoric and his business dealings in the middle of 2016.
He’s very different from the loud, childish blowhard we’re used to when he knows he’s under oath.
Here’s a spoilered video of the deposition if anyone is curious:
Is there ever a way this can reach a point where Trump has to go in front of, like, anyone with an authority he can't step on/have pre-bought the loyalty of.
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
Even if we ever get him on a stand, he won't tell the truth about anything, and he won't accept that anything he ever did was wrong. He would sit on the stand and "no defendant, no defendant, you're the defendant" until the prosecutor got tired of him.
If you're looking for the satisfaction of seeing him broken, you'll be disappointed, because he's wired such that he'll never admit that he did anything wrong. The best you'll get is his nuclear rage that people are not giving him the adulation he deserves.
He’s been on the stand before and his attitude was completely different than normal because he knew he was under oath.
Though now I suppose he’s President and assumes that protects him. On the other hand, any situation where Trump ends up having to testify is one where I doubt being the President means as much protection as it does now.
Plus. When was he under oath the last time? 90s?
He is over 70 now and there are many signs he has declined alot mentally. So I wouldnt expect something different even if you get him under oath.
If memory serves, Trump gave a deposition for some of his hateful rhetoric and his business dealings in the middle of 2016.
He’s very different from the loud, childish blowhard we’re used to when he knows he’s under oath.
Here’s a spoilered video of the deposition if anyone is curious:
One individual with firsthand knowledge of how the Trump calls with foreign leaders are handled said the president “hates” such “pre-briefs” and frequently has refused to do them. Trump doesn’t like written background materials either, preferring to handle the calls himself, often in the morning from the residence. Occasionally, while on the phone with foreign heads of state, Trump has handed the receiver to his daughter, Ivanka Trump, so she can talk with the leader, according to this individual.
The person said a six-page pre-brief with attachments was once prepared for Trump before a call to a foreign leader. But that turned out to be too long, as did a single-page version. Preparing pre-brief note cards that offered about three talking points for Trump to make on a call was the norm, according to this person, who feared retribution for describing this process and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The individual said that when Trump is done with the note cards, he often rips them up and tosses them in a burn bag. Staff who handle records have had to retrieve the burn bags from the residence, put the papers out on a table and tape them back together to preserve them as official presidential records, this person said.
I know this sort of thing has been known for a while, but this alone should have been impeachable because what the heck?
One individual with firsthand knowledge of how the Trump calls with foreign leaders are handled said the president “hates” such “pre-briefs” and frequently has refused to do them. Trump doesn’t like written background materials either, preferring to handle the calls himself, often in the morning from the residence. Occasionally, while on the phone with foreign heads of state, Trump has handed the receiver to his daughter, Ivanka Trump, so she can talk with the leader, according to this individual.
The person said a six-page pre-brief with attachments was once prepared for Trump before a call to a foreign leader. But that turned out to be too long, as did a single-page version. Preparing pre-brief note cards that offered about three talking points for Trump to make on a call was the norm, according to this person, who feared retribution for describing this process and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The individual said that when Trump is done with the note cards, he often rips them up and tosses them in a burn bag. Staff who handle records have had to retrieve the burn bags from the residence, put the papers out on a table and tape them back together to preserve them as official presidential records, this person said.
I know this sort of thing has been known for a while, but this alone should have been impeachable because what the heck?
It does raise the question of why.
Is he doing it because despite it being reported on multiple times, noone has had the balls to tell him it's illegal for fear of upsetting him?
Is he doing it because he's forgotten he's been told?
Is he doing it because he knows it's wrong, but fuck the law, that's why?
I mean, it's kinda irrelevant, because all three reasons should be disqualifying for his role.
But I am curious whether it's the bullying, forgetfulness or arrogance that's the primary reason behind this particular criminality. It's a game I play when Trump says something crazy. Spite/Stupidity/Graft/Ego? Most things he does fits into one of those four categories, though some require a broadening of definition (ie, I count the border racisim mostly as spite).
One individual with firsthand knowledge of how the Trump calls with foreign leaders are handled said the president “hates” such “pre-briefs” and frequently has refused to do them. Trump doesn’t like written background materials either, preferring to handle the calls himself, often in the morning from the residence. Occasionally, while on the phone with foreign heads of state, Trump has handed the receiver to his daughter, Ivanka Trump, so she can talk with the leader, according to this individual.
The person said a six-page pre-brief with attachments was once prepared for Trump before a call to a foreign leader. But that turned out to be too long, as did a single-page version. Preparing pre-brief note cards that offered about three talking points for Trump to make on a call was the norm, according to this person, who feared retribution for describing this process and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The individual said that when Trump is done with the note cards, he often rips them up and tosses them in a burn bag. Staff who handle records have had to retrieve the burn bags from the residence, put the papers out on a table and tape them back together to preserve them as official presidential records, this person said.
I know this sort of thing has been known for a while, but this alone should have been impeachable because what the heck?
It does raise the question of why.
Is he doing it because despite it being reported on multiple times, noone has had the balls to tell him it's illegal for fear of upsetting him?
Is he doing it because he's forgotten he's been told?
Is he doing it because he knows it's wrong, but fuck the law, that's why?
I mean, it's kinda irrelevant, because all three reasons should be disqualifying for his role.
But I am curious whether it's the bullying, forgetfulness or arrogance that's the primary reason behind this particular criminality. It's a game I play when Trump says something crazy. Spite/Stupidity/Graft/Ego? Most things he does fits into one of those four categories, though some require a broadening of definition (ie, I count the border racisim mostly as spite).
I would bet a significant amount of money that he’s been told and he just doesn’t give a shit. His ego is so out of control that he will simply not be told what he can and cannot do by anyone.
Trump does that because it is how he has always operated. When he is done with a a memo or something on paper he rips it in half to signify he has "read" it and is done with it. It is an old person way of handling paper in a business, and is as stupid as it sounds.
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I half suspect that tweet was because Rudy is pissed he doesn't have direct access to the the ambassador's closed session testimony. Which could also explain those weird talking points circulated about how suddenly concerned the State Dept is that she didn't have a State Dept. lawyer present. But I'm assuming one of the Republicans on the committee is just going to leak it to him anyway so, I'm not sure that theory makes sense.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
More specifically, the media actually read it this time. It got freaking Sunday show hosts to actually have pushback against republican talking points!
yeah well of course they're worried - Pompeo wants to control the message coming out of his department in order to keep a lid on things.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-investigated-the-watergate-scandal-we-believe-trump-should-be-impeached/2019/10/10/5cf0c2ce-eb72-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3drLMJ4bz4FpsS2TzcDZMriY3wXdnJRBAwf5g3PN8GFuY6yNQrRz7yjog
In my case I have an uphill battle because some of my family thinks Nixon was railroaded, but for less-touched humans this may be helpful!
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You uh, you just admitted to doing that.
You didn't make your defense better, you just made someone else's worse.
Going on 5 years now.
C'mon rudy, you dragged pompeo under the grey hound you can do it to trump too!
The big message here really is that even the trump loyalists don't see any way to contest the essence of the charges, so they have to raise a big stink about process. There's basically not even any attempt to address the actual meat of the accusations.
I also wonder what the Democrats actually knew when they called the impeachment inquiry. I'm beginning to suspect they had a lot more than just a whistleblower complaint alleging some bad stuff that they hadn't even seen before immediately launching it. They had almost as much reason to launch this kind of impeachment when Mueller was doing his investigations, but did so instantly here.
What did they know or might know that hasn't been revealed yet?
The Impeachment trigger was being held off for lacking an easy narrative to win public support, not lack of criminal activity.
He'd be the worst witness ever if he tried to flip. I say we just let him down
And just be called out again and again on his lies like a child every time he tries, with some sort of stacking consequence until he has to finally tell a single truth? Like someone just finally has enough of his bullshit and just Nopes him super hard and with a power he can't ignore?
I almost need that more than his actual punishment ( which I also very much need)
By way of discounting the story, Sean Spicer throws a probably inadvertent chunk of shade at Trump:
I'll settle for the legal system impact cratering the man from orbit once he leaves office.
Then he can spend the next remaining decade or so in jail. I doubt he'll live much longer, so we'll just have to settle for burning down his criminal empire and everybody associated with him.
And his children can now get real jobs.
I'm probably late to this but it would probably go down the same way as the wall kick starter.
Lot of money collected and then someone disappears into the winds of Switzerland with it
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Prison jobs, preferably.
Naturally he repeats an answer to a question the reporter did not ask, three times as she persists.
So apparently Mike Pompeo totally took a meeting with Rudy Giuliani when he was in Warsaw.
Wait, wait, "Both sets"? They did it AGAIN?
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/41753021/#Comment_41753021
Even if we ever get him on a stand, he won't tell the truth about anything, and he won't accept that anything he ever did was wrong. He would sit on the stand and "no defendant, no defendant, you're the defendant" until the prosecutor got tired of him.
If you're looking for the satisfaction of seeing him broken, you'll be disappointed, because he's wired such that he'll never admit that he did anything wrong. The best you'll get is his nuclear rage that people are not giving him the adulation he deserves.
He’s been on the stand before and his attitude was completely different than normal because he knew he was under oath.
Though now I suppose he’s President and assumes that protects him. On the other hand, any situation where Trump ends up having to testify is one where I doubt being the President means as much protection as it does now.
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Plus. When was he under oath the last time? 90s?
He is over 70 now and there are many signs he has declined alot mentally. So I wouldnt expect something different even if you get him under oath.
If memory serves, Trump gave a deposition for some of his hateful rhetoric and his business dealings in the middle of 2016.
He’s very different from the loud, childish blowhard we’re used to when he knows he’s under oath.
Here’s a spoilered video of the deposition if anyone is curious:
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I stand corrected then. I thought the last of these was done when he wad way younger.
Ok, so get him under oath then.
It does raise the question of why.
Is he doing it because despite it being reported on multiple times, noone has had the balls to tell him it's illegal for fear of upsetting him?
Is he doing it because he's forgotten he's been told?
Is he doing it because he knows it's wrong, but fuck the law, that's why?
I mean, it's kinda irrelevant, because all three reasons should be disqualifying for his role.
But I am curious whether it's the bullying, forgetfulness or arrogance that's the primary reason behind this particular criminality. It's a game I play when Trump says something crazy. Spite/Stupidity/Graft/Ego? Most things he does fits into one of those four categories, though some require a broadening of definition (ie, I count the border racisim mostly as spite).
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I would bet a significant amount of money that he’s been told and he just doesn’t give a shit. His ego is so out of control that he will simply not be told what he can and cannot do by anyone.
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I dont think it's for his memos but is meant for trash and other non-presidential papers that are supposed to be burned at the onsite incinerator.