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There's a few points to make, but I'm trying to tread lightly since I'm kinda close to this thing and I've already found myself feeling hurt by the negative social media reactions from people I like.
1. Yeah, the original is a comedy, starring comedians but the humor is pretty dry and mainly comes from outlandish situations played straight. I did not get most of the jokes at 4 years old, I simply loved the concept of blasting ghosts with particle throwers and wrecking snooty hotels in the process.
2. Jason Reitman is not looking to remake the originals. He's definitely trying to tell a story with a much more emotional core using the premise and continuity from the first two films and use it to launch a new adventure with young protagonists.
This story premise really excites me and it's been sobering to realize that I'm in a very small minority of people who thought all the little details in the first film regarding apocalypse cults and powerful, otherworldly gods deepened the film and made it much more compelling than your average 80s raunchy comedy starring SNL cast members and sex jokes.
Unfortunately I see a lot of takes that show me that a good portion of people see the franchise as just a boilerplate 80s comedy and seem to WANT it to be stupid, sexist, and gross so they can dump on it for that. Now that it isn't, they're dumping on it for taking its themes seriously.
Unlike bustin', it does not make me feel good.
I wanna enjoy this movie and I hope it's something the reviews might turn people around on because so far the cynicism I've been seeing has knocked me on my ass.
I don't see the lore in Ghostbusters as "neat" because it seems to be Dan Aykroyd's very real beliefs and he... doesn't seem to be in a great state of mind. Doesn't ruin my enjoyment of that movie at all, but I've also NEVER cared about the ghost lore. The new movie looks like it could be enjoyable in a completely different way than the original, or it could be another very bad franchise launching point attempt from Sony (like the Mummy or Amazing Spider-Man 2).
To me 2016 Ghostbusters felt like it wanted to be joke a minute, and it didn't work for me at all. Which is a shame because you had a cast of some of my favorite actor/comedians of the last decade + and it felt like the script wasted them.
The effects were cool though, and Kate Mckinnon is, as always, a delight.
I don't see the lore in Ghostbusters as "neat" because it seems to be Dan Aykroyd's very real beliefs and he... doesn't seem to be in a great state of mind. Doesn't ruin my enjoyment of that movie at all, but I've also NEVER cared about the ghost lore. The new movie looks like it could be enjoyable in a completely different way than the original, or it could be another very bad franchise launching point attempt from Sony (like the Mummy or Amazing Spider-Man 2).
I get this. If it helps, the lore in the movie is not his actual belief. He gets ultra-pedantic about ectoplasm being mist and not slime and most of the backstory of Ghostbusters is based on fictionalized versions of historical superstitious movements, events, and figures.
We likely have Harold Ramis to thank for grounding Aykroyd. He's a legitimately nice guy and I do like him, but crazy old Uncle Danny can really go off the deep end sometimes and I do occasionally worry about him, but I do like what his imagination comes up with when filtered through collaborators. He's basically our George Lucas.
I think what continues to give me hope is the sincerity Jason Reitman is bringing and the way he talks about the story echoes my own feelings about expanding the universe. My bigger worry is that this isn't actually what people want or people will refuse to see it based on some of the more negative speculation.
Of course the fandom is WAY more positive about this than they were about Answer the Call, which is a relief. You have a few old voices bemoaning that the cast is a bunch of kids but it is blessedly free from the misogyny we saw in 2016 despite half of the principle cast being women, plus the first Asian American representation in the film franchise with Logan Kim, who I'm looking forward to seeing in action as well as Celeste O'Connor. McKenna Grace seems like she'll do well going forward as Phoebe since for a kid she seems way into the genre.
Seeing more of how the kids play off each-other is gonna be the real test for whether this new team will please the audience. You can't exactly bank on dead grandpa drama for sequel material.
I think the trailers look amazing and am extremely excited for the movie.
I inwardly wonder if they will lure Rick Moranis back for a cameo. He did a lame commercial recently so fingers crossed!
Supposedly he came out of retirement a few years back, now that he finished his mission of raising his kids. I wouldn't be surprised if he's hanging around Ray's Occult Books in some capacity.
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DepressperadoI just wanted to see you laughingin the pizza rainRegistered Userregular
I think the movie looks neat
there's a similar problem with fans of The Evil Dead and hating the 2013 remake because abloo bloo bloo the main character is a girl and it's not Bruce Campbell
same with Evil Dead Rise. the main characters are ladies and it's not set in the same crappy cabin so obviously it's terrible and misses the point of the original movies, SJWs ruining my childhood, etc., despite knowing literally nothing about the movie.
Bruce Campbell comes straight out and says he isn't gonna be Ash anymore, and some grognards stomp and moan about how they've got to accept moving away from a main character that is, canonically, a misogynist idiot of a shithead.
like, don't get me wrong, I love Ash and Bruce Campbell, but misogynist idiot of a shithead is me being kind to the character.
it's one of those "I don't want different, I want the same! Why is this the same, it should have been different!" things.
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That is the hardest part of nostalgia. You want more of the same... It's.. well, it causes a lot of problems.
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The dry understated comedy is exactly what I love about the original ghostbusters movies. But being dry and understated doesn't mean that it's not at heart a comedy, just a certain style of one. I don't mind them changing the protagonists, setting, style, etc. - I just hope that it's still a comedy at heart, that's all.
Hopefully remains cinema only at first. It might be just me but stuff that comes out on streaming services always seems cheaper and more disposable. If there's a lull, I'll check my phone or something. At least in the cinema you have to pay attention.
Hopefully remains cinema only at first. It might be just me but stuff that comes out on streaming services always seems cheaper and more disposable. If there's a lull, I'll check my phone or something. At least in the cinema you have to pay attention.
It is just you because the movie is already made whether it comes out on streaming or not.
Hopefully remains cinema only at first. It might be just me but stuff that comes out on streaming services always seems cheaper and more disposable. If there's a lull, I'll check my phone or something. At least in the cinema you have to pay attention.
It is just you because the movie is already made whether it comes out on streaming or not.
As a form of entertainment, not in terms of making it.
Hopefully remains cinema only at first. It might be just me but stuff that comes out on streaming services always seems cheaper and more disposable. If there's a lull, I'll check my phone or something. At least in the cinema you have to pay attention.
It is just you because the movie is already made whether it comes out on streaming or not.
As a form of entertainment, not in terms of making it.
All movies come out on streaming services. If all you meant was "I prefer watching it in theaters," then sure. I don't think that has anything to do with being cheap or disposable though, not if it wasn't made at a lower budget FOR streaming.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Hopefully remains cinema only at first. It might be just me but stuff that comes out on streaming services always seems cheaper and more disposable. If there's a lull, I'll check my phone or something. At least in the cinema you have to pay attention.
It is just you because the movie is already made whether it comes out on streaming or not.
As a form of entertainment, not in terms of making it.
All movies come out on streaming services. If all you meant was "I prefer watching it in theaters," then sure. I don't think that has anything to do with being cheap or disposable though, not if it wasn't made at a lower budget FOR streaming.
He's talking about how he interacts with it, not how it was made.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Hopefully remains cinema only at first. It might be just me but stuff that comes out on streaming services always seems cheaper and more disposable. If there's a lull, I'll check my phone or something. At least in the cinema you have to pay attention.
It is just you because the movie is already made whether it comes out on streaming or not.
As a form of entertainment, not in terms of making it.
All movies come out on streaming services. If all you meant was "I prefer watching it in theaters," then sure. I don't think that has anything to do with being cheap or disposable though, not if it wasn't made at a lower budget FOR streaming.
Ok, so let's say Ghostbusters comes out on Netflix. And only on Netflix like any Netflix film that isn't the Irishman. It becomes a film that can be watched at your own convenience, it becomes a film you can interrupt to do other things or get distracted in doing other things, it lacks the same theatrical experience, and it lacks the same universal cultural access since not everyone will watch the film because they don't have Netflix or they'll watch it at their own convenience. A film that starts on streaming "feels" almost like straight to DVD in terms of perception.
Maybe it's an old school mindset but theatrical films feel like the big films, and yes I say this even though Hot Tub Time Machine 2 was at theaters as well. I'm sure 20 years from now the theatrical experience will seem alien compared to streaming, but I prefer the deliberate act of having to go to the cinema, and opening weekends, and everyone discussing it at the same time, over convenient streaming, and I find that, personally, films I watch on streaming just tend to be less memorable.
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I just showed the trailer to mom. She was curious about the humor, but got all excited and interested in it when she saw what they were doing. So that's a win. She thought the end was Murray and got excited, but I did correct her.
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Paul Rudd fucking SCAMPERING out of the Wal Mart. He managed to channel just enough Rick Moranis in his movements that my brain went..."is this gonna be a terror dog?!"
And the way the music stopped, you hear his breathing, and then CRASH.
And the dogs stumble and scamper also channeled just enough of its original movements I got goosebumps
It happened so fast but was shot in such a perfect way I immediately trusted the whole endeavor.
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I will say, I'm definitely intrigued if they do some things with the weird cult lore they set up, I liked it cause it felt very much adjacent to the actual conspiracy theories and mystery societies you had in similar timeframes.
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
Honestly, and while it's only shown up in the videogame and IDW comic series, but I don't like how much importance they put into the original Gozer plot. It might be because of the cartoon and GB2, but I've always felt like Ghostbusters was a good bed for multiple stories. Having to return back to that plot constantly just makes the universe feel smaller.
Honestly, and while it's only shown up in the videogame and IDW comic series, but I don't like how much importance they put into the original Gozer plot. It might be because of the cartoon and GB2, but I've always felt like Ghostbusters was a good bed for multiple stories. Having to return back to that plot constantly just makes the universe feel smaller.
I'm with you here. I am into the Shandor cult being a thing to tie it back to Egon, but a full-on return of Gozer will feel cheap. It feels like there's more going on here though. Whatever sequel hooks this thing casts out, I hope it's a setup for globetrotting adventures.
Paul Rudd fucking SCAMPERING out of the Wal Mart. He managed to channel just enough Rick Moranis in his movements that my brain went..."is this gonna be a terror dog?!"
And the way the music stopped, you hear his breathing, and then CRASH.
And the dogs stumble and scamper also channeled just enough of its original movements I got goosebumps
It happened so fast but was shot in such a perfect way I immediately trusted the whole endeavor.
That video up thread of Reitman talking about the trailer.
He specifically mentioned wanting to get the Terror Dog movement right. Also getting as much of it physically on screen instead of CG.
Ugh, wouldn’t you need something like the cult/Gozar stuff to explain ghosts doing a Brood X thing where they appear in the early 80s and disappear for long enough for folks to forget
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So I acquired all the Hasbro 6 inch Ghostbuster figures and I've experimented with some minor touchups. Minor things being repainting the elbow pads to the correct grey and free-handing some missing warning labels onto the packs. The more complicated mod is to cut off the barrel on the wand and rotate it 90 degrees since it is for some reason wrong. Did it with one pack so far and it looks good but I'm feeling lazy right now. Also I want to add the little green and red hoses to the wand that are missing. I have some very small gauge electrical wire that looks like it should be close to scale.
So, speaking of Gozer and all that stuff... any word on if this treats the game, aka "the third Ghostbusters movie," as canon?
Because I think they damn well should.
I would guess not because it sounds like they're adapting parts of that story and the original underground Ghostbusters II story, minus the Vigo elements since that guy is dead and the slime/gozer plot is probably too confusing for a 2 hour film. Shame as it's a great story I'd like to be able to sit back and watch.
God I hope I can actually go to a theater to see this and dress up in my full Ghostbuster outfit and just be a dumb nerd.
I would love to dress up in full gear but I would also would not like to buy an extra seat for my proton pack. I loved the idea of making this outfit to be the only Halloween costume I ever needed but dang did I not forsee the "your costume weighs upwards of 40lb"s part...
God I hope I can actually go to a theater to see this and dress up in my full Ghostbuster outfit and just be a dumb nerd.
I would love to dress up in full gear but I would also would not like to buy an extra seat for my proton pack. I loved the idea of making this outfit to be the only Halloween costume I ever needed but dang did I not forsee the "your costume weighs upwards of 40lb"s part...
Do what we do, line the packs up under the screen and sit in the first few rows.
This of course works much better when you have at least 3 people.
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1. Yeah, the original is a comedy, starring comedians but the humor is pretty dry and mainly comes from outlandish situations played straight. I did not get most of the jokes at 4 years old, I simply loved the concept of blasting ghosts with particle throwers and wrecking snooty hotels in the process.
2. Jason Reitman is not looking to remake the originals. He's definitely trying to tell a story with a much more emotional core using the premise and continuity from the first two films and use it to launch a new adventure with young protagonists.
This story premise really excites me and it's been sobering to realize that I'm in a very small minority of people who thought all the little details in the first film regarding apocalypse cults and powerful, otherworldly gods deepened the film and made it much more compelling than your average 80s raunchy comedy starring SNL cast members and sex jokes.
Unfortunately I see a lot of takes that show me that a good portion of people see the franchise as just a boilerplate 80s comedy and seem to WANT it to be stupid, sexist, and gross so they can dump on it for that. Now that it isn't, they're dumping on it for taking its themes seriously.
Unlike bustin', it does not make me feel good.
I wanna enjoy this movie and I hope it's something the reviews might turn people around on because so far the cynicism I've been seeing has knocked me on my ass.
I'm just hesitant to commit to excitement until I see it, I've been burned a lot on nostalgia franchises.
The effects were cool though, and Kate Mckinnon is, as always, a delight.
I get this. If it helps, the lore in the movie is not his actual belief. He gets ultra-pedantic about ectoplasm being mist and not slime and most of the backstory of Ghostbusters is based on fictionalized versions of historical superstitious movements, events, and figures.
We likely have Harold Ramis to thank for grounding Aykroyd. He's a legitimately nice guy and I do like him, but crazy old Uncle Danny can really go off the deep end sometimes and I do occasionally worry about him, but I do like what his imagination comes up with when filtered through collaborators. He's basically our George Lucas.
I think what continues to give me hope is the sincerity Jason Reitman is bringing and the way he talks about the story echoes my own feelings about expanding the universe. My bigger worry is that this isn't actually what people want or people will refuse to see it based on some of the more negative speculation.
Of course the fandom is WAY more positive about this than they were about Answer the Call, which is a relief. You have a few old voices bemoaning that the cast is a bunch of kids but it is blessedly free from the misogyny we saw in 2016 despite half of the principle cast being women, plus the first Asian American representation in the film franchise with Logan Kim, who I'm looking forward to seeing in action as well as Celeste O'Connor. McKenna Grace seems like she'll do well going forward as Phoebe since for a kid she seems way into the genre.
Seeing more of how the kids play off each-other is gonna be the real test for whether this new team will please the audience. You can't exactly bank on dead grandpa drama for sequel material.
Cartoon Egon?
I inwardly wonder if they will lure Rick Moranis back for a cameo. He did a lame commercial recently so fingers crossed!
Supposedly he came out of retirement a few years back, now that he finished his mission of raising his kids. I wouldn't be surprised if he's hanging around Ray's Occult Books in some capacity.
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there's a similar problem with fans of The Evil Dead and hating the 2013 remake because abloo bloo bloo the main character is a girl and it's not Bruce Campbell
same with Evil Dead Rise. the main characters are ladies and it's not set in the same crappy cabin so obviously it's terrible and misses the point of the original movies, SJWs ruining my childhood, etc., despite knowing literally nothing about the movie.
Bruce Campbell comes straight out and says he isn't gonna be Ash anymore, and some grognards stomp and moan about how they've got to accept moving away from a main character that is, canonically, a misogynist idiot of a shithead.
like, don't get me wrong, I love Ash and Bruce Campbell, but misogynist idiot of a shithead is me being kind to the character.
it's one of those "I don't want different, I want the same! Why is this the same, it should have been different!" things.
As for Afterlife.. the trailer just feels too reverent and trapped in a nostalgia blanket. Hopefully that's just the advertising, but we'll see.
Is this thing coming to streaming platforms day and date? 'cause I'm probably done with theaters for at least the rest of the year.
It is just you because the movie is already made whether it comes out on streaming or not.
Ain't going to movies anymore during COVID. I did it once and felt like an idiot afterwards.
As a form of entertainment, not in terms of making it.
All movies come out on streaming services. If all you meant was "I prefer watching it in theaters," then sure. I don't think that has anything to do with being cheap or disposable though, not if it wasn't made at a lower budget FOR streaming.
He's talking about how he interacts with it, not how it was made.
Ok, so let's say Ghostbusters comes out on Netflix. And only on Netflix like any Netflix film that isn't the Irishman. It becomes a film that can be watched at your own convenience, it becomes a film you can interrupt to do other things or get distracted in doing other things, it lacks the same theatrical experience, and it lacks the same universal cultural access since not everyone will watch the film because they don't have Netflix or they'll watch it at their own convenience. A film that starts on streaming "feels" almost like straight to DVD in terms of perception.
Maybe it's an old school mindset but theatrical films feel like the big films, and yes I say this even though Hot Tub Time Machine 2 was at theaters as well. I'm sure 20 years from now the theatrical experience will seem alien compared to streaming, but I prefer the deliberate act of having to go to the cinema, and opening weekends, and everyone discussing it at the same time, over convenient streaming, and I find that, personally, films I watch on streaming just tend to be less memorable.
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And the way the music stopped, you hear his breathing, and then CRASH.
And the dogs stumble and scamper also channeled just enough of its original movements I got goosebumps
It happened so fast but was shot in such a perfect way I immediately trusted the whole endeavor.
I'm with you here. I am into the Shandor cult being a thing to tie it back to Egon, but a full-on return of Gozer will feel cheap. It feels like there's more going on here though. Whatever sequel hooks this thing casts out, I hope it's a setup for globetrotting adventures.
That video up thread of Reitman talking about the trailer.
Because I think they damn well should.
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If anything I'd think we might see like a YouTube search result or extreme minor reference on a wall or something.
I would guess not because it sounds like they're adapting parts of that story and the original underground Ghostbusters II story, minus the Vigo elements since that guy is dead and the slime/gozer plot is probably too confusing for a 2 hour film. Shame as it's a great story I'd like to be able to sit back and watch.
I would love to dress up in full gear but I would also would not like to buy an extra seat for my proton pack. I loved the idea of making this outfit to be the only Halloween costume I ever needed but dang did I not forsee the "your costume weighs upwards of 40lb"s part...
Do what we do, line the packs up under the screen and sit in the first few rows.
This of course works much better when you have at least 3 people.