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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
just to flip burgers or make me a double decaf latte.
High school graduates can expect, on average, to earn $1.2 million; those with a bachelor's degree, $2.1 million.
If someone spends four years getting a shitty degree and then is out of college with no job and no continued specialization, that's their own fault. Life after high school is about making connections and working damn hard when you need to. Things don't just get handed to you.
So who else is going through college never having lived in a dorm? I feel like I'm missing out on something, but really, living in an off-campus apartment building that is 100% populated by students seems close enough.
just to flip burgers or make me a double decaf latte.
High school graduates can expect, on average, to earn $1.2 million; those with a bachelor's degree, $2.1 million.
If someone spends four years getting a shitty degree and then is out of college with no job and no continued specialization, that's their own fault. Life after high school is about making connections and working damn hard when you need to. Things don't just get handed to you.
I've lived in several apartment buildings, and through them all, I've never really gotten close with or become friends with other tenants. In the dorms, however, I met a shitload of friends.
I've lived in several apartment buildings, and through them all, I've never really gotten close with or become friends with other tenants. In the dorms, however, I met a shitload of friends.
I can see your point. However, I substituted by becoming involved in extracurricular sports and just knowing a few number of people who go here.
Actually, I've gotten to know a quite few kids around this building by hanging out outside with some friends in the sun, drinking and grilling, and then just inviting others to come out and have a beer as they pass. We've now started synchronizing keggers and the like.
I'm taking the SAT next weekend. I got a 1020 when I took it in the 7th grade. Hopefully I'll do better. Everyone says the PSAT is harder. I don't remember what my score was for it though.
Oh and my oldest brother graduated from NC State in Civil Engineering recently. He was hired for a job before he even finished. They are moving him to Rocky Mount (Not far from Raleigh) and paying the rest of his lease on his current apartment. They are doing some really nice things for him.
He actually flunked his second semester and was kicked out. He went to a community college for a year, reapplied at State, was re-accepted and proceeded to kick ass and take names.
When I started smoking, the amount of people I met outside of my social circle went up drastically. Of course, all the white kids in this town hang out downtown, and a good 90% of them smoke, so it was really just an excuse to talk to interesting-looking people I saw every day but had never talked to.
there is nothing i loathed more then the college application process and the atmosphere it brought to high school
you will not care about any of this in one year
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Really?
It was pretty much "Alabama or Auburn?" here. Only a few people went local or out of state.
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So who else is going through college never having lived in a dorm? I feel like I'm missing out on something, but really, living in an off-campus apartment building that is 100% populated by students seems close enough.
It's a double-edged sword, in my case at least. On one hand, I haven't met a ton of people like I probably would in a dorm environment. and "want to go making sex at my parent's house?" doesn't exactly bring the ladies over in droves.
On the other, I am going to be butt-fucked by that much less in student loans, and unlike the 70% of the student population who don't bring a car and have to live in cramped space with no privacy, at any given point I can make the 20 minute drive home and be at peace...plus my retired parents take lots of vacations, which leaves me the house to myself anywhere from 3 days to a week every third month or so. This isn't the ideal situation, but it's still better than the guys who don't have the balls to lay out privacy hours with their roommates, and wind up trying to ram their GF/ masturbate on the fourth floor of the library.
Heya, I applied to pomona and harvey mudd, which are all in the same claremont network as i am sure you know. Sorry if i give redundant information but i thought i would share my logic on getting into and ultimately on deciding to not attend there.
First things first, I am a math major, so a lot of the info in here may have a more math/ science flavor to it but i will try and stick to the general things about pomona and pitzer i know, and at least trace through alot of my thinking on this so you can think about them.
Next up, I am poor, and even after fin aid and scholarships, those schools are fucking expensive. Moreover, you need to look at where you are going to end up after college. You are going to be at least 160k lighter and pitzer / pomona are not drama powerhouses to my knowledge (is there a reason you dont want to go to ucla? they are fucking amazing for drama, I have 3 friends who are on prime time, lead roles because of the hookups ucla gives you, if you crossed them off for a reason, seriously think hard about it, their theater dept is incredible, amazing odds of getting a job even before you graduate)
Pomona is a top 5 university for most social sciences, they have some very famous people lecturing there, and their classical music program is fucking stellar. Hard as fuck to get in, they on average take people out of the top 1% of the highschools that they attend. From talking with the math dept at pomona / mudd it was clear these schools are going to be very undergraduate project focused and this carries over to the liberal side you are going into. This is the main difference between selecting an instruction focused undergrad program versus a research focused program. Do you want attention or access to the top.
do you want a university to make you a marketable package after four years? do you want the university to carry some weight when you apply to grad schools ( i know its hard to say this early, but you should think about it) do you want to just have alot of fun while taking drama courses?
claremont colleges are a really unique beast: very undergrad focused, elite but not very well known. If you are looking for a very personal, small undergrad experience, it will be good there, but there is a hefty pricetag that goes with that extra attention, and you do actually suffer from the fact people have no fucking clue that pomona college is ranked next to yale,a college named pomona exists, or even worse will confuse it for csu pomona.
From the people i know currently going to pomona, they joke that pitzer is the less academically inclined retarded cousin of pomona, and to some degree that is accurate. The college is very "experience" oriended and it shows in their rigor. The usual analogy is that each one of the claremont colleges is a character from scooby doo and pitzer is shaggy. surprisingly accurate. However the up side of pitzer: if you are creative you can do some very nonstandard education activities, which if you are interested in drama may turn out really well. Odds are you could perform at the greek amphitheater they have on campus with some sort of personal hybrid of Aristophanes clouds or something if you see where i am going.
So where did I end up? I decided on ucsd, they currently have one of the hottest public math programs in the country, I am taking grad classes as an undergrad (i couldnt do this at claremont colleges because they are so undergrad focused their math grad program is small) and i am going to come out debt free, ty full ride.
I dont want to come off sounding against these schools, they are truly great institutions, but they did not suit my needs, you could have disagreed with everything i have typed, and if so, promptly ignore me.
I am not trying to dissuade you from going there by any means, so if my stance is orthogonal to yours you need to be able to take what you think applies to you from all this.
I remember vividly being impressed by the weight of the name of a school, their rank, etc etc, when i was applying in highschool, and ultimately you need to perform a more personal analysis. Rank means nothing if you are a lit major at cal tech, etc.
I am sure you will do well in your decision, but remember, I know many, many, many people who picked a school first and a major second, and it is a huge mistake to make. Selecting a school based on the undergrad experience is a great way to have a ton of fun and not accomplish much else. I cannot tell you how many of my friends are getting out of top5 universities only to completely fall on their asses because they are not on a "track" anymore so to speak.
As far as the application process, christ it was miserable, but you know that. Just keep your head down and it will all be over soon. And put 100x more effort into your essays than you think you will need. have brutal critiques of them and re write them from the ground up several times at least. good luck.
edit: dont take this as LA school hate, believe me i understand the importance of coming out of a college with a rounded education, not being some single task robot. Breadth of knowledge is always valuable but there is a difference of going to a LA that will make you employable eventually vs an LA that will just take your money.
I interviewed at Oxford and fucked up in the best ways possible:
a) Going all post-modern up ins with the head of English, who was a devout traditional/classic literary kinda dude.
b) Responding to the question "What do you think made Lord of the Rings such a great book?" with "Certainly not Tolkien's writing style because hoo boy he is terrible." At a college whose greatest alumni was Tolkien
I've tried to read through the Lord of the Rings a few times, and every time I got to about half way through the second book I just stopped.
"Fuuuck. There's a lot about ents in here. God damn."
Seriously his writing style is godawful. Lord of the Rings changes genre about 7 times, his pacing is godawful, he's not a very good character writer, and a hundred other criticisms. Against all odds it's a fucking awesome book but seriously, much like a brilliant song can be played badly, Lord of the Rings is a brilliant book written badly.
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It's gone.
I don't think I ever so much as looked in there.
idiot
I'm trying to do it right now.
It's a tough act.
Also, t Firm - yes.
I just graduated from one of those
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High school graduates can expect, on average, to earn $1.2 million; those with a bachelor's degree, $2.1 million.
If someone spends four years getting a shitty degree and then is out of college with no job and no continued specialization, that's their own fault. Life after high school is about making connections and working damn hard when you need to. Things don't just get handed to you.
Depends on what schools you go to.
Sounds contrived, but it's quite true.
I've lived in several apartment buildings, and through them all, I've never really gotten close with or become friends with other tenants. In the dorms, however, I met a shitload of friends.
I can see your point. However, I substituted by becoming involved in extracurricular sports and just knowing a few number of people who go here.
Actually, I've gotten to know a quite few kids around this building by hanging out outside with some friends in the sun, drinking and grilling, and then just inviting others to come out and have a beer as they pass. We've now started synchronizing keggers and the like.
oh the drinkery
Oh and my oldest brother graduated from NC State in Civil Engineering recently. He was hired for a job before he even finished. They are moving him to Rocky Mount (Not far from Raleigh) and paying the rest of his lease on his current apartment. They are doing some really nice things for him.
He actually flunked his second semester and was kicked out. He went to a community college for a year, reapplied at State, was re-accepted and proceeded to kick ass and take names.
you will not care about any of this in one year
It was pretty much "Alabama or Auburn?" here. Only a few people went local or out of state.
It's a double-edged sword, in my case at least. On one hand, I haven't met a ton of people like I probably would in a dorm environment. and "want to go making sex at my parent's house?" doesn't exactly bring the ladies over in droves.
On the other, I am going to be butt-fucked by that much less in student loans, and unlike the 70% of the student population who don't bring a car and have to live in cramped space with no privacy, at any given point I can make the 20 minute drive home and be at peace...plus my retired parents take lots of vacations, which leaves me the house to myself anywhere from 3 days to a week every third month or so. This isn't the ideal situation, but it's still better than the guys who don't have the balls to lay out privacy hours with their roommates, and wind up trying to ram their GF/ masturbate on the fourth floor of the library.
First things first, I am a math major, so a lot of the info in here may have a more math/ science flavor to it but i will try and stick to the general things about pomona and pitzer i know, and at least trace through alot of my thinking on this so you can think about them.
Next up, I am poor, and even after fin aid and scholarships, those schools are fucking expensive. Moreover, you need to look at where you are going to end up after college. You are going to be at least 160k lighter and pitzer / pomona are not drama powerhouses to my knowledge (is there a reason you dont want to go to ucla? they are fucking amazing for drama, I have 3 friends who are on prime time, lead roles because of the hookups ucla gives you, if you crossed them off for a reason, seriously think hard about it, their theater dept is incredible, amazing odds of getting a job even before you graduate)
Pomona is a top 5 university for most social sciences, they have some very famous people lecturing there, and their classical music program is fucking stellar. Hard as fuck to get in, they on average take people out of the top 1% of the highschools that they attend. From talking with the math dept at pomona / mudd it was clear these schools are going to be very undergraduate project focused and this carries over to the liberal side you are going into. This is the main difference between selecting an instruction focused undergrad program versus a research focused program. Do you want attention or access to the top.
do you want a university to make you a marketable package after four years? do you want the university to carry some weight when you apply to grad schools ( i know its hard to say this early, but you should think about it) do you want to just have alot of fun while taking drama courses?
claremont colleges are a really unique beast: very undergrad focused, elite but not very well known. If you are looking for a very personal, small undergrad experience, it will be good there, but there is a hefty pricetag that goes with that extra attention, and you do actually suffer from the fact people have no fucking clue that pomona college is ranked next to yale,a college named pomona exists, or even worse will confuse it for csu pomona.
From the people i know currently going to pomona, they joke that pitzer is the less academically inclined retarded cousin of pomona, and to some degree that is accurate. The college is very "experience" oriended and it shows in their rigor. The usual analogy is that each one of the claremont colleges is a character from scooby doo and pitzer is shaggy. surprisingly accurate. However the up side of pitzer: if you are creative you can do some very nonstandard education activities, which if you are interested in drama may turn out really well. Odds are you could perform at the greek amphitheater they have on campus with some sort of personal hybrid of Aristophanes clouds or something if you see where i am going.
So where did I end up? I decided on ucsd, they currently have one of the hottest public math programs in the country, I am taking grad classes as an undergrad (i couldnt do this at claremont colleges because they are so undergrad focused their math grad program is small) and i am going to come out debt free, ty full ride.
I dont want to come off sounding against these schools, they are truly great institutions, but they did not suit my needs, you could have disagreed with everything i have typed, and if so, promptly ignore me.
I am not trying to dissuade you from going there by any means, so if my stance is orthogonal to yours you need to be able to take what you think applies to you from all this.
I remember vividly being impressed by the weight of the name of a school, their rank, etc etc, when i was applying in highschool, and ultimately you need to perform a more personal analysis. Rank means nothing if you are a lit major at cal tech, etc.
I am sure you will do well in your decision, but remember, I know many, many, many people who picked a school first and a major second, and it is a huge mistake to make. Selecting a school based on the undergrad experience is a great way to have a ton of fun and not accomplish much else. I cannot tell you how many of my friends are getting out of top5 universities only to completely fall on their asses because they are not on a "track" anymore so to speak.
As far as the application process, christ it was miserable, but you know that. Just keep your head down and it will all be over soon. And put 100x more effort into your essays than you think you will need. have brutal critiques of them and re write them from the ground up several times at least. good luck.
edit: dont take this as LA school hate, believe me i understand the importance of coming out of a college with a rounded education, not being some single task robot. Breadth of knowledge is always valuable but there is a difference of going to a LA that will make you employable eventually vs an LA that will just take your money.
Did you go to college or something?
I may drink with you a couple times Riotcow.
After we beat your ass in frisbee.
My six year odyssey of higher education will be complete.
I don't know what to do.
I think I'm scared beyond the capacity for rational thought.
Ghostbusters.
I
I woke up at like 6:30 this morning
no alarm, just up.
what the
Fucking sun.
All shining and shit. Thinks he's so big.
Because the sun is all like, "Hey bitch, you're done. It's my turn to shine and brighten everyone's world."
And then it proceeds to show you up like a bitch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd think that, wouldn't you?
You just haven't had the chance to bask in my radiance.
I'd light up your life, Silmaril.
I stayed up for 2 days straight, and yesterday I slept from 8am to 2pm. and now its 4:30am and I havent slept at all yet. And I am not tired.
My sleep schedule has been fucked up.
a) Going all post-modern up ins with the head of English, who was a devout traditional/classic literary kinda dude.
b) Responding to the question "What do you think made Lord of the Rings such a great book?" with "Certainly not Tolkien's writing style because hoo boy he is terrible." At a college whose greatest alumni was Tolkien
Man I suck at interviews.
"Fuuuck. There's a lot about ents in here. God damn."
Seriously his writing style is godawful. Lord of the Rings changes genre about 7 times, his pacing is godawful, he's not a very good character writer, and a hundred other criticisms. Against all odds it's a fucking awesome book but seriously, much like a brilliant song can be played badly, Lord of the Rings is a brilliant book written badly.