No, lots of people thought Amazon would do *waves hands* some sort of magic thing *stops waving hands and looks exasperated instead* to make everything work like before.
I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
Basically Amazon is declining to take on processing the (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of customs declarations and other formalities required to transfer small consignments EU<->UK through its logistics network on behalf of Amazon sellers
This can also be viewed, incidentally, as another manifestation of the "mixed consignment" issue that the supermarkets have been shouting about
At the moment, a lot of logistics networks are built around the assumption that you can just put a pile of mixed stuff on a truck and move it across the border. Post brexit, this is probably impractical, because every individual item now potentially needs its own customs declaration
If it involves food, or other regulated goods, there are also inspections and conformity assessment certifications required
I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
I suspect something like it will suddenly become possible when Jeff Bezos just coincidentally happens to donate a large sum of money to the Conservative Party.
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I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
I suspect something like it will suddenly become possible when Jeff Bezos just coincidentally happens to donate a large sum of money to the Conservative Party.
Norway is part of the single market, so if Bezos can get the Conservatives to keep the UK in the single market by throwing money at them I won't complain (too much).
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I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
I suspect something like it will suddenly become possible when Jeff Bezos just coincidentally happens to donate a large sum of money to the Conservative Party.
This isn't really Bezos' problem, is the thing. It's happening to all similar vendors, it's just that Amazon is the largest one. In fact, in some ways, Amazon probably has something of an advantage, because they have the logistics to deal with this while still passing on the costs and keeping a bunch of their customers.
I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
I suspect something like it will suddenly become possible when Jeff Bezos just coincidentally happens to donate a large sum of money to the Conservative Party.
Norway is part of the single market, so if Bezos can get the Conservatives to keep the UK in the single market by throwing money at them I won't complain (too much).
We are part of the single market, but with some broad exceptions. I can't buy stuff from the EU and have it shipped to me without paying VAT and a (substantial) VAT handling fee.
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I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
I suspect something like it will suddenly become possible when Jeff Bezos just coincidentally happens to donate a large sum of money to the Conservative Party.
Norway is part of the single market, so if Bezos can get the Conservatives to keep the UK in the single market by throwing money at them I won't complain (too much).
We are part of the single market, but with some broad exceptions. I can't buy stuff from the EU and have it shipped to me without paying VAT and a (substantial) VAT handling fee.
Right and the tories have decided that remaining part of the single market would be blasphemy of the great god Brexit.
So they could theoretically negotiate something similar, but they won’t.
There was a vat exemption for small consignments, as outlined in the twitter threads that started the discussion
However its effect has mostly been for large internet retailers to site their brass plate and fulfillment centres in the channel islands where they don't have to pay UK corporation tax
switzerland is an absolute motherfucker to send stuff to.
It suuuuuuuucks, it's super expensive, and it's complicated.
To the point that there's a thriving business in towns that border Switzerland for delivery addresses that Swiss people can send packages to, then go and collect them.
When I lived in Zurich, I had electronics sent to a place in Konstanz, and just took the train over the border, picked it up and came back. So much cheaper than having it sent to my door.
A bit trickier to pull off when you're an island, to be fair... oh well.
switzerland is an absolute motherfucker to send stuff to.
It suuuuuuuucks, it's super expensive, and it's complicated.
To the point that there's a thriving business in towns that border Switzerland for delivery addresses that Swiss people can send packages to, then go and collect them.
When I lived in Zurich, I had electronics sent to a place in Konstanz, and just took the train over the border, picked it up and came back. So much cheaper than having it sent to my door.
A bit trickier to pull off when you're an island, to be fair... oh well.
Maybe not the eastern island. But depending on what happens with the Ireland/North Ireland border* it might be a possibility for those there.
* Has anything been properly proposed for the border now that BoJo and Bros have officially driven the bus off the cliff? Last time I heard it mentioned, they were just handwaving a solution was coming, for real, trust us.
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switzerland is an absolute motherfucker to send stuff to.
It suuuuuuuucks, it's super expensive, and it's complicated.
To the point that there's a thriving business in towns that border Switzerland for delivery addresses that Swiss people can send packages to, then go and collect them.
When I lived in Zurich, I had electronics sent to a place in Konstanz, and just took the train over the border, picked it up and came back. So much cheaper than having it sent to my door.
A bit trickier to pull off when you're an island, to be fair... oh well.
Maybe not the eastern island. But depending on what happens with the Ireland/North Ireland border* it might be a possibility for those there.
* Has anything been properly proposed for the border now that BoJo and Bros have officially driven the bus off the cliff? Last time I heard it mentioned, they were just handwaving a solution was coming, for real, trust us.
I was going to make a joke that it'd be very much a reverse 80's to have people from the North coming south to sneak goods back over the border, but I also have no idea what in the ever loving fuck the story with the border is.
All the amendments to the Trade and Agriculture bill that would protect British farmers and give MPs more oversight of Trade deals are all being roundly defeated tonight.
And the amendment that would prevent the NHS being part of trade deals.
No mention of this in the BBC news website.
No wonder people are so unawares of the danger of Brexit.
switzerland is an absolute motherfucker to send stuff to.
It suuuuuuuucks, it's super expensive, and it's complicated.
To the point that there's a thriving business in towns that border Switzerland for delivery addresses that Swiss people can send packages to, then go and collect them.
When I lived in Zurich, I had electronics sent to a place in Konstanz, and just took the train over the border, picked it up and came back. So much cheaper than having it sent to my door.
A bit trickier to pull off when you're an island, to be fair... oh well.
Also, technically, you have to declare those goods when you cross the border.
And since Brexit is all about getting control of the borders, there will be checkpoint where you have to do that.
It'll presumably be like Basil, where they check your car before you're allowed to enter.
At least, they always seem to check mine, and not just to see if I have a Swiss Road Vignette.
(Those road tax things wouldn't be so annoying if they weren't so hard to remove)
switzerland is an absolute motherfucker to send stuff to.
It suuuuuuuucks, it's super expensive, and it's complicated.
To the point that there's a thriving business in towns that border Switzerland for delivery addresses that Swiss people can send packages to, then go and collect them.
When I lived in Zurich, I had electronics sent to a place in Konstanz, and just took the train over the border, picked it up and came back. So much cheaper than having it sent to my door.
A bit trickier to pull off when you're an island, to be fair... oh well.
Maybe not the eastern island. But depending on what happens with the Ireland/North Ireland border* it might be a possibility for those there.
* Has anything been properly proposed for the border now that BoJo and Bros have officially driven the bus off the cliff? Last time I heard it mentioned, they were just handwaving a solution was coming, for real, trust us.
I was going to make a joke that it'd be very much a reverse 80's to have people from the North coming south to sneak goods back over the border, but I also have no idea what in the ever loving fuck the story with the border is.
The latest, as I understand it, is there's going to be custom checks at the sea-border between NI and the rest of the UK.
So, you'll have to declare if what you're taking with you on the boat is going to stay in NI, or going to the EU market.
Things destined for the EU will then be sealed and registered, and will presumably be checked somewhere else for that seal? (unclear about that part, because that can't happen at the NI <-> Ireland border) So it's deliciously unclear about how it'll all work.
Maybe NI will just end up being de-facto in the EU free market, and will be aligned with the EU instead of the UK?
Intelligence and security committee questions whether government took its eye off the ball on Russia, finds that they underestimated the response required to the Russian threat and are still playing catch up:
Russian influence in the UK is the new normal. Successive governments have welcomed the oligarchs and their money with open arms, providing them with a means of recycling illicit finance through the London ‘laundromat’, and connections at the highest levels with access to UK companies and political figures.
This has led to a growth industry of ‘enablers’ including lawyers, accountants, and estate agents who are – wittingly or unwittingly – de facto agents of the Russian state.
It clearly demonstrates the inherent tension between the government’s prosperity agenda and the need to protect national security. While we cannot now shut the stable door, greater powers and transparency are needed urgently.
UK is clearly a target for Russian disinformation. While the mechanics of our paper-based voting system are largely sound, we cannot be complacent about a hostile state taking deliberate action with the aim of influencing our democratic processes.
Yet the defence of those democratic processes has appeared something of a ‘hot potato’, with no one organisation considering itself to be in the lead, or apparently willing to conduct an assessment of such interference. This must change.
Social media companies must take action and remove covert hostile state material: government must ‘name and shame’ those who fail to act.
We need other countries to step up with the UK and attach a cost to Putin’s actions. Salisbury must not be allowed to become the high water mark in international unity over the Russia threat.
A number of issues addressed in this published version of the Russia report are covered in more depth in the classified annex. We are not able to discuss these aspects on the grounds of national security.
Headlines are:
Russia did interfere in the Brexit referrendum, but it is impossible to say by how much.
Boris lied about the reasons to hold back it's release.
The report seems pretty angry about the lack of investigation and sanguine "oh well" attitude of the intelligence services over Russian interference. Whether they were taking their lead from a government anxious not to investigate for fear of finding something is unclear, but it doesn't seem unlikely.
The report seems pretty angry about the lack of investigation and sanguine "oh well" attitude of the intelligence services over Russian interference. Whether they were taking their lead from a government anxious not to investigate for fear of finding something is unclear, but it doesn't seem unlikely.
I'd say pretty iron-clad when you take into account the intentional dragging of feet over the Cambridge Analytica warrants, whilst they were even being filmed shredding documents and removing evidence, with the police only allowed in after all the vans had left.
In spite of the ISC recommendation for one, the government has already said there will be no investigation in Russian interference in the Brexit vote because it's seen no evidence of interference, begging the question of how you expect to see evidence without investigating, you utter scumfucks.
If you don't look, you can't find, which is the point, I suppose.
In spite of the ISC recommendation for one, the government has already said there will be no investigation in Russian interference in the Brexit vote because it's seen no evidence of interference, begging the question of how you expect to see evidence without investigating, you utter scumfucks.
If you don't look, you can't find, which is the point, I suppose.
The government position on brexit referendum irregularities remains sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting “LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU”
In spite of the ISC recommendation for one, the government has already said there will be no investigation in Russian interference in the Brexit vote because it's seen no evidence of interference, begging the question of how you expect to see evidence without investigating, you utter scumfucks.
If you don't look, you can't find, which is the point, I suppose.
The government position on brexit referendum irregularities remains sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting “LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU”
When you turn on the light and the cockroaches scatter, it means they were never there.
I do wish there was going to be significant pushback on the fact that an investigation says the government actively avoided investigating Russian interference, and the government response is to not investigate Russian interference.
But it'll be history by Friday. Nothing to see here, move along, we'll have a vaccine any yearmonthweekday now, promise, please go out and spend money.
For better or worse (almost certainly worse) it's now established precedent that nothing can overturn a vote except another vote. No one wants a public investigation because there's no point, no matter what an investigation finds we can't un-ring the bell. The political will and mechanisms to do such a thing don't exist, and even if they did we've passed the point where we can unilaterally undo Brexit. The only tool in the box to fix situations where disinformation (foreign state backed and otherwise) has caused voters to shit the bed is to wait and hope they manage to mop it up in time for the next vote, which isn't really a particularly good situation for general elections on a five-year cycle never mind referendums that happen just whenever governments want them or are backed into having them.
The original tweet was deleted, probably because it identified the journalist when that might be not the done thing. I dunno. Anyway, he tweeted the same thing without the journalists's name (but it was a DM journalist).
As glad as I am to see Farage off the air, it provided a good perspective on the insane parts of british society.
I'm wondering how the brexit supporting morons will spin this.
As glad as I am to see Farage off the air, it provided a good perspective on the insane parts of british society.
I'm wondering how the brexit supporting morons will spin this.
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It suuuuuuuucks, it's super expensive, and it's complicated.
*Brexit excitement building*
oh, joy!!
sovereignty, fish, border control?
you know, things we already had
yes but now we have more of that!
as a customs consultant,
Brexiteers.
No, lots of people thought Amazon would do *waves hands* some sort of magic thing *stops waving hands and looks exasperated instead* to make everything work like before.
I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.
Currently Ebaying Nothing at all but I might do in the future.
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I'm in Norway. Norway does not allow import of any goods from the EU (or anywhere else) without paying VAT (plus a VAT assessment fee). Until this year, they waived the VAT (and the fee) if the package was worth less (incl. shipping charges) than 350 NOK (ca 30 GBP / 33 EUR).
But both shcemes were unilateral decisions by the Norwegian government. Is it not within the powers of the UK govt to waive VAT on imports if they feel like it?
(On exports it's obviously up to the EU / recipient country.)
Basically Amazon is declining to take on processing the (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of customs declarations and other formalities required to transfer small consignments EU<->UK through its logistics network on behalf of Amazon sellers
This can also be viewed, incidentally, as another manifestation of the "mixed consignment" issue that the supermarkets have been shouting about
At the moment, a lot of logistics networks are built around the assumption that you can just put a pile of mixed stuff on a truck and move it across the border. Post brexit, this is probably impractical, because every individual item now potentially needs its own customs declaration
If it involves food, or other regulated goods, there are also inspections and conformity assessment certifications required
I suspect something like it will suddenly become possible when Jeff Bezos just coincidentally happens to donate a large sum of money to the Conservative Party.
Norway is part of the single market, so if Bezos can get the Conservatives to keep the UK in the single market by throwing money at them I won't complain (too much).
This isn't really Bezos' problem, is the thing. It's happening to all similar vendors, it's just that Amazon is the largest one. In fact, in some ways, Amazon probably has something of an advantage, because they have the logistics to deal with this while still passing on the costs and keeping a bunch of their customers.
We are part of the single market, but with some broad exceptions. I can't buy stuff from the EU and have it shipped to me without paying VAT and a (substantial) VAT handling fee.
Right and the tories have decided that remaining part of the single market would be blasphemy of the great god Brexit.
So they could theoretically negotiate something similar, but they won’t.
However its effect has mostly been for large internet retailers to site their brass plate and fulfillment centres in the channel islands where they don't have to pay UK corporation tax
To the point that there's a thriving business in towns that border Switzerland for delivery addresses that Swiss people can send packages to, then go and collect them.
When I lived in Zurich, I had electronics sent to a place in Konstanz, and just took the train over the border, picked it up and came back. So much cheaper than having it sent to my door.
A bit trickier to pull off when you're an island, to be fair... oh well.
Maybe not the eastern island. But depending on what happens with the Ireland/North Ireland border* it might be a possibility for those there.
* Has anything been properly proposed for the border now that BoJo and Bros have officially driven the bus off the cliff? Last time I heard it mentioned, they were just handwaving a solution was coming, for real, trust us.
I was going to make a joke that it'd be very much a reverse 80's to have people from the North coming south to sneak goods back over the border, but I also have no idea what in the ever loving fuck the story with the border is.
And the amendment that would prevent the NHS being part of trade deals.
No mention of this in the BBC news website.
No wonder people are so unawares of the danger of Brexit.
I don't think the press has been absent any discussion of the dangers of Brexit.
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Also, technically, you have to declare those goods when you cross the border.
And since Brexit is all about getting control of the borders, there will be checkpoint where you have to do that.
It'll presumably be like Basil, where they check your car before you're allowed to enter.
At least, they always seem to check mine, and not just to see if I have a Swiss Road Vignette.
(Those road tax things wouldn't be so annoying if they weren't so hard to remove)
The latest, as I understand it, is there's going to be custom checks at the sea-border between NI and the rest of the UK.
So, you'll have to declare if what you're taking with you on the boat is going to stay in NI, or going to the EU market.
Things destined for the EU will then be sealed and registered, and will presumably be checked somewhere else for that seal? (unclear about that part, because that can't happen at the NI <-> Ireland border) So it's deliciously unclear about how it'll all work.
Maybe NI will just end up being de-facto in the EU free market, and will be aligned with the EU instead of the UK?
The ISC's summary
Headlines are:
Russia did interfere in the Brexit referrendum, but it is impossible to say by how much.
Boris lied about the reasons to hold back it's release.
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I'd say pretty iron-clad when you take into account the intentional dragging of feet over the Cambridge Analytica warrants, whilst they were even being filmed shredding documents and removing evidence, with the police only allowed in after all the vans had left.
If you don't look, you can't find, which is the point, I suppose.
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The government position on brexit referendum irregularities remains sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting “LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU”
When you turn on the light and the cockroaches scatter, it means they were never there.
But it'll be history by Friday. Nothing to see here, move along, we'll have a vaccine any yearmonthweekday now, promise, please go out and spend money.
The original tweet was deleted, probably because it identified the journalist when that might be not the done thing. I dunno. Anyway, he tweeted the same thing without the journalists's name (but it was a DM journalist).
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I'm wondering how the brexit supporting morons will spin this.
"No evidence was found"