I think both the next-gen console and the 3000 series are a bit of an overspend, at least right now. I think they will get better over the next year.
Not many games seem to have ray-tracing built in. I hear about Control, and then stuff like Minecraft, where it's a neat addition, but at the end of the day it's Minecraft. 3000 series does seem to be the first hardware that can really pull off 4k/60, which is a nice landmark to hit. Of course, 4k monitors aren't real common yet. Very spendy for that whole setup. Most games out now and in the near future weren't developed with the next-gen consoles in mind first, which also probably puts a ceiling on performance.
The consoles are impressive technically, but the launch lineups for both seem to be real slim. Buying one this year, especially if you have a Ps4Pro/XB1X, seems like a waste. Almost everything is going to be cross-gen.
I think, if you're someone whose yearly gaming budget is in the hundreds of dollars range, that neither a new graphics card nor a new console is a good purchase in November. Save your money, buy some of the good late-generation games that have come out in the past year, or are coming out this fall. Let the new consoles sort themselves out and get established with a decent lineup of actual next-gen games/exclusives. Let other people deal with whatever hardware issues emerge with consoles or graphics cards. This time next year, I think consoles will be a better buy, or at least we'll be more informed about how they stand.
If you're someone whose budget runs in the $1000+ range yearly, someone who buys upgrades because you like new things, sure, buy the new things. I don't think any of PS5/XSX/Nvidia 3000 is going to be a bad investment, just not one that pays off immediately.
The Giantbomb people upgrading 1080s to 3080s is definitely some luxury spending. That is essentially $1000 on a 3 year cycle. Nobody needs that. For them it is a reasonable spend, they spend a lot of their time setting up tech to do their job, and if you have an overkill GPU you can skip the step of tuning graphics 99% of the time. For most people, $500 on a 4 year cycle is plenty.
But unless people are jumping to 1440p 144hz or 4k 60hz (which comes with additional monitor costs too), this may still be one generation too early.
It definitely depends on what you are playing too. I can imagine Warzone players getting a lot more out of better lowest 1% fps (which is usually when big fights are happening) than someone playing CK3 and it hitching for a sec when you zoom out too fast.
a 3080 is set at $699 and the 1080 came out 4 years ago. The 3070 is $499.
Also, the capabilities of the RTX cards are way beyond just making things run faster. You cannot run ray tracing on a 1080, in any real capacity.
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Also, Jeff Bakalar did not even say that you should buy a video card over a console or that if you buy a console you are stupid.
Ron Funches: I'm even thinking, at this point, do I want to get a PS5 or do I want to get a new graphics card
Jeff B: I mean, straight up, and this is just my opinion, and if you (people in general) think otherwise, I don't understand where you are coming from, if you are deciding between a next generation console and a 3080, there's nothing to think about, you should get the 3080. It will be a better experience out of the gate.
He wasn't saying that people should go out and build a computer, he was saying that if you are the person who does both and are deciding, a 3080 is better, in his opinion. If you don't like doing computer stuff or don't want to build a computer or prefer consoles, that's not what the statement was even about.
why would you ever buy a graphics card when you can get them for free out of the trash
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I'm definitely gonna just wait another month and get a 3070, my eyes wont notice the difference and i will definitely enjoy having two hundred extra dollars
The 3000 series seems like super beefy cards, but I got a 2070 already so it'll be less of an upgrade for me. I'm tempted, but I think I'll just wait 2 years for the 4000 series and just build a whole new machine. My PC will be five years old by that point, anyway.
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I wish that some PC gamers would be able to understand that some people just like the experience of gaming on consoles better.
If I can very easily plug in a console controller into my PC, either through a wired connection or wireless, and hook my PC up to my large TV, what's the difference?
Doesn't that necessitate constantly moving said PC around, or are you suggesting having a dedicated PC to hook up to your TV (and a secondary computer for... other computer stuff)?
you can have a tv next to a computer
Short list of games I couldn't play on PC this last console generation:
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
God of War
The Last of Us
Horizon Zero Dawn
Street Fighter 5
Ghost of Tsushima
Marvel's Spider-Man
Also, several games like RDR2, Borderlands 3 and Monster Hunter: World debuted on console with long delays for PC release. The games I listed probably account for 70% of my time on PS4 with the other 30% being Witcher 3 and other cross-platform titles. Investing in a console anymore (especially Sony and Nintendo) is an investment in their first party content.
I have a 980ti so it sounds like it'll be a pretty big upgrade for me if I get one?
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If the US hasn't melted down next year It'll finally be time for a full upgrade. I'm CPU limited right now and need to redo the whole system. I figure by this time next year I'll be able to get good deals on the current top tier parts, and the next gen Ti equivalent from Nvidia.
I wish that some PC gamers would be able to understand that some people just like the experience of gaming on consoles better.
If I can very easily plug in a console controller into my PC, either through a wired connection or wireless, and hook my PC up to my large TV, what's the difference?
Doesn't that necessitate constantly moving said PC around, or are you suggesting having a dedicated PC to hook up to your TV (and a secondary computer for... other computer stuff)?
you can have a tv next to a computer
Short list of games I couldn't play on PC this last console generation:
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
God of War
The Last of Us
Horizon Zero Dawn
Street Fighter 5
Ghost of Tsushima
Marvel's Spider-Man
Also, several games like RDR2, Borderlands 3 and Monster Hunter: World debuted on console with long delays for PC release. The games I listed probably account for 70% of my time on PS4 with the other 30% being Witcher 3 and other cross-platform titles. Investing in a console anymore (especially Sony and Nintendo) is an investment in their first party content.
I agree, console exclusive titles are dumb and should not exist.
If the US hasn't melted down next year It'll finally be time for a full upgrade. I'm CPU limited right now and need to redo the whole system. I figure by this time next year I'll be able to get good deals on the current top tier parts, and the next gen Ti equivalent from Nvidia.
I'm in the same boat. My CPU is old. It's held up great, but it's time. I built it in 2013 so by next year it'll be 8 years old.
If the US hasn't melted down next year It'll finally be time for a full upgrade. I'm CPU limited right now and need to redo the whole system. I figure by this time next year I'll be able to get good deals on the current top tier parts, and the next gen Ti equivalent from Nvidia.
I'm in the same boat. My CPU is old. It's held up great, but it's time. I built it in 2013 so by next year it'll be 8 years old.
Yea I'm on a 4690, so a little over 6 years old. I upgraded to a Radeon 5700 earlier this year and I am definitely bumping into the cpu in certain games. I mostly play not super intensive games so it's fine, but yea It's time to go whole hog. Get a nice NVME SSD, maybe 48gb of ram, a video card with at least 12gb of VRAM, a CPU with all of the cores. Oh yea.
I'll probably upgrade one of my monitors to a nice 1440p with HDR, freesync and whatever other features are the big deal. Still debating on Ultrawide or not.
I hate that upgrading cpus basically means upgrading your whole pc in most cases.
I usually roll in two separate upgrade paths, CPU/MOBO Ram, then Video card, I'm just feeling like going whole hog this time, for the first time in over a decade. CPUs have plateaued enough that you can get away with running the same CPU for like 4-8 years now if you're not chasing the latest and greatest, so replacing the core parts isn't too bad anymore.
I would be happy with one 2tb platter drive to use for long term storage of bigger files like my music collection and such and one 1tb ssd for playing games from and such.
I would have to get a sata one though as I don't have an m.2 spot on my mobo.
I wish that some PC gamers would be able to understand that some people just like the experience of gaming on consoles better.
If I can very easily plug in a console controller into my PC, either through a wired connection or wireless, and hook my PC up to my large TV, what's the difference?
Doesn't that necessitate constantly moving said PC around, or are you suggesting having a dedicated PC to hook up to your TV (and a secondary computer for... other computer stuff)?
you can have a tv next to a computer
Short list of games I couldn't play on PC this last console generation:
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
God of War
The Last of Us
Horizon Zero Dawn
Street Fighter 5
Ghost of Tsushima
Marvel's Spider-Man
Also, several games like RDR2, Borderlands 3 and Monster Hunter: World debuted on console with long delays for PC release. The games I listed probably account for 70% of my time on PS4 with the other 30% being Witcher 3 and other cross-platform titles. Investing in a console anymore (especially Sony and Nintendo) is an investment in their first party content.
Street Fighter 5 launched on PC at the same time as PS4 and even had cross-platform multiplayer.
I've been pretty happy with PC + Nintendo console. Sony is slowly starting to put games on PC, but you KNOW Nintendo isn't putting their games on other hardware anytime soon.
Hmmm, looks like Giant Bomb's Film and 40's podcast is back, with a twist.
Film & 40s: Mickeys & Whiskies: Smart House
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DCOMEDY should sue for gimmick infringement.
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Abby hosting the beastcast was a treat, and Ron Funches is always a welcome addition to the crew. I think I might download quibby and check out his show, my wife is a HUGE Funches fan.
The recent giant bomb dot com video release with Jeff Gerstmann playing a Fast & Furious game has put in me a hankering for awful trash played by good people whats fresh and excellent in that area
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The recent giant bomb dot com video release with Jeff Gerstmann playing a Fast & Furious game has put in me a hankering for awful trash played by good people whats fresh and excellent in that area
I'm gonna wait until there's a $250 card with ray tracing cores probably, and also I have money
I'm assuming the 3060, when announced, will be this. I have a 6GB 1060 that was pretty much that standard of quality at the time. In fact I just got a new mouse and not having my entire system lock up every time I whip pan around a dense scene full of motion blur has basically made for a $45 upgrade to a whole new PC. Maybe if I went out and bought a 4k monitor for some reason I'd be more inclined to upgrade my GPU, motherboard, CPU, RAM, cooling, power supply and case.
PC building is expensive and some real Ship of Theseus shit.
I don't fully get what the big deal is about ray tracing
My understanding is that, when it's actually used to its full capability, it allows for natural and more in-depth shades of lighting. So you can design things to more organically interact with light, instead of if all being set-up in advance. At the very least, in the long run, it sounds like it would make things easier to design with, and give more variety and quality of light and imagery.
I don't fully get what the big deal is about ray tracing
I ain't an expert or anything and this is just my take, but the thing about ray tracing is that it is a single, unified way of doing something that has been emulated using a pile of other methods all lashed together over the past several decades
On the (sub)-surface, you get better looking lighting and reflections; but the thing about all of those cheaty hacks methods of doing it is that developers have gotten REALLY good using them, so at first glance the benefits of RTX are kinda hard to notice unless you're really paying attention.
I think (going way outside of my field on this one) that the big benefit to this is going to be that implementing RTX is a lot easier than working on all the various tricks and hacks and shenanigans used to achieve similar, though technically inferior, effects. It basically opens the door to great lighting and reflection effects to a much wider pool of developers.
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Not many games seem to have ray-tracing built in. I hear about Control, and then stuff like Minecraft, where it's a neat addition, but at the end of the day it's Minecraft. 3000 series does seem to be the first hardware that can really pull off 4k/60, which is a nice landmark to hit. Of course, 4k monitors aren't real common yet. Very spendy for that whole setup. Most games out now and in the near future weren't developed with the next-gen consoles in mind first, which also probably puts a ceiling on performance.
The consoles are impressive technically, but the launch lineups for both seem to be real slim. Buying one this year, especially if you have a Ps4Pro/XB1X, seems like a waste. Almost everything is going to be cross-gen.
I think, if you're someone whose yearly gaming budget is in the hundreds of dollars range, that neither a new graphics card nor a new console is a good purchase in November. Save your money, buy some of the good late-generation games that have come out in the past year, or are coming out this fall. Let the new consoles sort themselves out and get established with a decent lineup of actual next-gen games/exclusives. Let other people deal with whatever hardware issues emerge with consoles or graphics cards. This time next year, I think consoles will be a better buy, or at least we'll be more informed about how they stand.
If you're someone whose budget runs in the $1000+ range yearly, someone who buys upgrades because you like new things, sure, buy the new things. I don't think any of PS5/XSX/Nvidia 3000 is going to be a bad investment, just not one that pays off immediately.
there are far too many assholes for one person to keep track of
just be receptive when marginalized folks go "hey this guy sucks actually" and you'll be fine
a 3080 is set at $699 and the 1080 came out 4 years ago. The 3070 is $499.
Also, the capabilities of the RTX cards are way beyond just making things run faster. You cannot run ray tracing on a 1080, in any real capacity.
Edit:
Also, Jeff Bakalar did not even say that you should buy a video card over a console or that if you buy a console you are stupid.
He wasn't saying that people should go out and build a computer, he was saying that if you are the person who does both and are deciding, a 3080 is better, in his opinion. If you don't like doing computer stuff or don't want to build a computer or prefer consoles, that's not what the statement was even about.
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Considering I still have a 1080 monitor and I'm only kind of considering a 1440, I'm thinking the eventual 3060 might be a better buy for me
And I'm on my phone so I can't easily produce one myself
Short list of games I couldn't play on PC this last console generation:
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
God of War
The Last of Us
Horizon Zero Dawn
Street Fighter 5
Ghost of Tsushima
Marvel's Spider-Man
Also, several games like RDR2, Borderlands 3 and Monster Hunter: World debuted on console with long delays for PC release. The games I listed probably account for 70% of my time on PS4 with the other 30% being Witcher 3 and other cross-platform titles. Investing in a console anymore (especially Sony and Nintendo) is an investment in their first party content.
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Huge.
If the rest of your hardware supports it then absolutely.
I agree, console exclusive titles are dumb and should not exist.
I'm in the same boat. My CPU is old. It's held up great, but it's time. I built it in 2013 so by next year it'll be 8 years old.
Yea I'm on a 4690, so a little over 6 years old. I upgraded to a Radeon 5700 earlier this year and I am definitely bumping into the cpu in certain games. I mostly play not super intensive games so it's fine, but yea It's time to go whole hog. Get a nice NVME SSD, maybe 48gb of ram, a video card with at least 12gb of VRAM, a CPU with all of the cores. Oh yea.
I'll probably upgrade one of my monitors to a nice 1440p with HDR, freesync and whatever other features are the big deal. Still debating on Ultrawide or not.
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I usually roll in two separate upgrade paths, CPU/MOBO Ram, then Video card, I'm just feeling like going whole hog this time, for the first time in over a decade. CPUs have plateaued enough that you can get away with running the same CPU for like 4-8 years now if you're not chasing the latest and greatest, so replacing the core parts isn't too bad anymore.
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It bottlenecks my 970 a lot.
Hell my pc sometimes has trouble with newer apps too not just games.
Granted I probably need to swap the hard drives. They are well past their prime. At least those are cheap.
I would have to get a sata one though as I don't have an m.2 spot on my mobo.
I need to check my board again but I think I have a slot for them.
Street Fighter 5 launched on PC at the same time as PS4 and even had cross-platform multiplayer.
I've been pretty happy with PC + Nintendo console. Sony is slowly starting to put games on PC, but you KNOW Nintendo isn't putting their games on other hardware anytime soon.
And not just because Jack is playing the class that I always want to exist when I get tricked into playing a mech game
DCOMEDY should sue for gimmick infringement.
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I'm assuming the 3060, when announced, will be this. I have a 6GB 1060 that was pretty much that standard of quality at the time. In fact I just got a new mouse and not having my entire system lock up every time I whip pan around a dense scene full of motion blur has basically made for a $45 upgrade to a whole new PC. Maybe if I went out and bought a 4k monitor for some reason I'd be more inclined to upgrade my GPU, motherboard, CPU, RAM, cooling, power supply and case.
PC building is expensive and some real Ship of Theseus shit.
My understanding is that, when it's actually used to its full capability, it allows for natural and more in-depth shades of lighting. So you can design things to more organically interact with light, instead of if all being set-up in advance. At the very least, in the long run, it sounds like it would make things easier to design with, and give more variety and quality of light and imagery.
I ain't an expert or anything and this is just my take, but the thing about ray tracing is that it is a single, unified way of doing something that has been emulated using a pile of other methods all lashed together over the past several decades
On the (sub)-surface, you get better looking lighting and reflections; but the thing about all of those cheaty hacks methods of doing it is that developers have gotten REALLY good using them, so at first glance the benefits of RTX are kinda hard to notice unless you're really paying attention.
I think (going way outside of my field on this one) that the big benefit to this is going to be that implementing RTX is a lot easier than working on all the various tricks and hacks and shenanigans used to achieve similar, though technically inferior, effects. It basically opens the door to great lighting and reflection effects to a much wider pool of developers.