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2021 Coup Thread
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Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
Here's the thread to talk about 2021 coups. Coups around the world so far:
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- Country: United States of America
- Coupee: Donald Trump
- Coup Style: Self-coup
- Current Coup Status: Unsuccessful
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A) mainstream media outlets will allow him to have a voice
If those don’t happen they may; wondering where dear leader is now that he isn’t bound by being in the White House. Why isn’t he in the streets like us trying to take it back?!?!?!?!
But otherwise I doubt it. Two weeks isn’t enough time unless they get thrown under the bus hard.
Somehow I get the feeling he might be amenable to impeachment this time.
I get his recent heel turn to democracy was performative, but it has to be shocking when an armed mob shows up to your job site specifically to kill you, their ostensible ally.
My feeling that we were a lot closer to having the 25th amendment invoked than was reported. The Georgia call last week (feels like a month ago) indicates that Trump had no real plan going into Jan 6th and everything comes down to his ego. Better, in his mind, to play nice for two weeks than to get removed from power like an invalid.
McConnell's lost control of his caucus, even if he's okay with impeachment there ain't enough GOP senators who'll fall on their swords to help him.
Now he's suddenly realising that he can be a bigger loser, and he's making it increasingly more likely.
His self-preservation instincts are fighting his ego, and they're losing.
(Natasha Bertrand is a national security correspondent for politico and MSNBC contributor)
Mutiny or sedition is punishable by court martial or even death. Bold move.
There are three variable right now and they are all related to how many senators we have when the removal vote is up.
-We still have the current setup of 51 R- 48 D. This IMO is the worst setup because we need 19 republicans.
-With Warnock's opponent conceding, he gets seated ASAP would would put us at 50 R - 49 D, slightly better in some ways because we'd only need 18 republicans.
-If Perdue decides to fuck off instead of fucking around, it's possible we get a 50/50 split when removal vote comes up if GA acts fast. We'd need only 17 republicans, this is ideal and we likely already have Romney on board.
I'm not sure this is an insurmountable number. Yes, six senators decided to be absolute rat fuckers, but there is no filibuster. We just need 17-19 republican to be on board, that isn't even half their caucus. Again, worth keeping in mind that a pro-Trump mob showed up with designs of killing those that were deemed traitors, including republicans that didn't want to play Trump's game. So we have a new calculus where Trump's people showed up to kill republican senators, that likely changes some people's tunes on removal. These were either people that had no interest in courting the psychopaths that have anointed Trump as their king (this include Romney and Murkowski) and those that are likely realizing they are never getting those votes. AKA Trump's ass is cooked if enough republicans conclude that those votes are either lost to them or that they don't fucking want them because those are the only voters that will hold removal votes against them. If you don't want those voters or believe you'll never get them, then you more of less give no shits about making votes they don't like.
I don't know that he's lost complete control. The Senate shut down the debate about the certification pretty fast afterall.
But I also think any real chance at impeachment+removal passed when it didn't happen before everyone went to bed.
I think there's a very real chance it could have gotten through the Senate while all of the senators were still reeling from what happened.
I suspect now it's far too late because they've had long enough to remember reelection.
Aren't punishments for military and police who take part in such stuff really harsh because they have are a rolemodel of sorts and took an oath?
I think it depends on the circumstances for both but afaik yeah the military penalties can be very severe.
Police penalties? Probably not much unfortunately.
Harder to say for the cops because we see a bunch of pigs from their ranks being A-OK with this bullshit and even if the top brass isn't, well there is the whole issue of PDs covering for their shit stains so they never see punishment. On the other hand, this shit show got a cop killed by Trump's people and many others were injured, so it's possible these shit stains get bounced hard. I fully expect this is going to lead to some police reforms because some of these fuckers were cops that decided not only are the above the law, but they decide who the leaders are and this came at the expense of Congress's safety. So there are going to be many congress critters and even state legislative critters gunning to kill that attitude right quick because they'll have zero fucking interest in allowing PDs to be staffed and run by fuckers that feel they can run elected people out of office on a whim.
ugh
We almost turned Texas this year and everyone hates Cruz and Hawley's seat was most recently occupied by a democrat so these are not so far fetched like trying to recall McConnell in Kentucky or some shit
It just goes to show that we really need to start working on the midterms right now
Chao and DeVos are resigning, but so they count towards a total? Or is the total movable beef on just how many secretaries there are?
Like, if the requirements are 2/3 of the cabinet, but the only remaining cabinet members are Carson, Perry, and Mnuchin, then can Mnuchin and Perry sign the letter?
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Though I'm curious how many of these fuckers that do hold a political office, can be charged and convicted for something severe enough that they have to be removed from whatever office they hold.
Didn't see it in the last thread but LegalEagle did a very good video on what this shit shouldn't be tolerated.
Also worth noting, this was someone that would likely normally never do videos like this. This is why I say the traitor terrorists didn't get a win because what they did do, was piss off whole fuck ton of people that either try to avoid being partisan or to wade into politics altogether. This is going to bring in a few more people that tried staying out of politics, that want these fuckers gone and it's making a ton of people in the "let's play bipartisan camp" take the position of "get these fuckers out!"
couperation*
This was an interesting tweet thread, cited in spoiler below. Tweeter is some sort of author on fascism stuff.
This one in particular:
I going to wait until the end of the month before deciding if this represents a sea change in people's attitudes. Once Biden is sworn in (and assuming things aren't lit on fire) I can see people deciding that the crisis is past and we can go back to the before times.
I wonder when the dust settles how many who were outraged at first will maintain their convictions that this was wrong and how many will blame antifa false flags.
Actually, scratch that about convictions. I wonder how many of the psychopaths will decide it's in their best interest to turn on Trump vs supporting him.
they neglected to include the strange picture of the indian flag waving in that crowd in the front of the capitol
like who brought that and why?
What kind of stupid is this? What life experiences lead someone to this? For real, I can't imagine the kind of person that behaves like this and is able to drive a car and hold a job. I try to imagine this kind of stupid and I come up with someone who would render themselves homeless, imprisoned, or under the care of extended family.
the kind of stupid you get when you've never faced consequences for your shitty, selfish behavior and your political leaders/heroes all but outright say that you will be welcomed as a hero and once again face no consequences for your behavior
stupid born from a life of privilege in a world that has always catered to you, in other words
Not just insurrectionists, but now literal traitors stealing classified information. Between this, the Pentagon breech, and the White House security problems, I can't imagine there is much in the US secrets vault that isn't widely known now.
That’s lose/lose for Trump. If he pardons them, it’s going to be next to impossible to convince anyone that he wasn’t on their side. If he doesn’t, he’s just betrayed his base.
i'm not saying their expectation had any basis in reality
nothing else they believe that brought them there does