if wind is what made it get stuck in the first place can we not just turn some fans on in the opposite direction............... this seems like a no brainer please elect me president of egypt
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I really am somewhat curious how this will all play out in the end.
The more information that comes out about this, the more I'm starting to think they're not getting that ship unstuck anytime soon and that there's a good chance something catastrophic happens with the refloating efforts.
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i read about cargo ships for 10 whole minutes on wikpedia
in this 37 minute youtube video i will explain exactly how everyone besides me is a simpleton, please give me ten million dollars to un stick the boat
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1) It'll take weeks, possibly months
2) don't put Wind in quote marks, this was a full on Khamsin that affected the entire lower Levant
3) at this point it may very well be likely that draining the ship of fuel and dismantling/straight blowing it up is faster, cheaper and more practically feasible than refloating it
1) It'll take weeks, possibly months
2) don't put Wind in quote marks, this was a full on Khamsin that affected the entire lower Levant
3) at this point it may very well be likely that draining the ship of fuel and dismantling/straight blowing it up is faster, cheaper and more practically feasible than refloating it
Draining the ship of its liquids/removing containers will likely be part of the solution but holy balls how did you get to the conclusion that dismantling it or blowing it up would be easier than refloating it??
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1) It'll take weeks, possibly months
2) don't put Wind in quote marks, this was a full on Khamsin that affected the entire lower Levant
3) at this point it may very well be likely that draining the ship of fuel and dismantling/straight blowing it up is faster, cheaper and more practically feasible than refloating it
so like, granted, I know nothing about the topic at hand
but is there no regulatory body whose job it is to say "hey there's a giant fuckin' sandstorm, do not send the enormous rectangle with 'I am a physics demonstration' painted on the side through the narrow canal that's vitally important for global commerce"
because if not, seriously??????
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to both replies - you vastly misjudge the competence, incorruptibility, and pressure from corporate to just get this thing over with applied to the people in charge of this debacle
Y'all may be shocked to know this but shit runs aground all the time (just y'know, not in the Suez canal lmao)
The marine salvage industry exists because of shit like this
yes but a) that costs money b) suez aint sydney, the land near the canal is mostly basic cropland bordered by a literally biblical desert with no infrastructure, getting the equipment there and setting it up would require significant investment all on its own for a ship of this scale
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Y'all may be shocked to know this but shit runs aground all the time (just y'know, not in the Suez canal lmao)
The marine salvage industry exists because of shit like this
yes but a) that costs money b) suez aint sydney, desert with no infrastructure, getting the equipment there and setting it up would require significant investment all on its own for a ship of this scale
I mean, I think I'm gonna trust Usagi, who actually has experience in this industry, over internet detective work.
to both replies - you vastly misjudge the competence, incorruptibility, and pressure from corporate to just get this thing over with applied to the people in charge of this debacle
I can say with confidence that "blowing it up" is not going to just get this thing over with
Ships do not explode or dismantle like you may imagine (go poof into dust) and are designed to keep floating with multiple holes banged in them
Y'all may be shocked to know this but shit runs aground all the time (just y'know, not in the Suez canal lmao)
The marine salvage industry exists because of shit like this
yes but a) that costs money b) suez aint sydney, desert with no infrastructure, getting the equipment there and setting it up would require significant investment all on its own for a ship of this scale
You think Evergreen and it's parent companies aren't the ones footing the bill here?
And international marine salvage is a Thing, especially in the Middle East (that oil has to get places somehow)
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ships don't explode into a neat bundle of raw materials?
video games have lied to me again
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I'll still give it a 50-50 chance, the longer this goes on the more drastic the pressure applied to the decision makers to resolve this, and the more fanciful the solutions they try to reach will be
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this has nothing to do with you or your job? I'm speaking as someone from the region who's familiar with the subject
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I'm really interested in how they'll get the cargo off that ship since I'm almost certain any cranes large enough to actually reach are large enough to require much more stable ground than they'll get on the banks of the canal.
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Look if I misjudged the conversation then I fully apologize, it was not my intention to offend or condescend though that does not excuse it
I was trying to give an opinion, one informed by my point of view, not dismiss or discredit that of someone else who has a professional understanding of the matter, least of all on grounds of gender
Again, I am genuinely sorry and regret having said anything that might cast aspersions. I'll refrain from commenting further.
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I’m sad it’s an Evergreen ship that’s stuck. Always liked them.
Should’ve been a Hapag-Lloyd. Or even worse, Maersk.
This is an interesting fandom i'd like to know more about
It's more work damage than fandom. The shipping business has a limited number of actors so if you work in a container port for a few years you end up getting exposed to most of them.
My ranking of shipping lines is based on a combination of how pretty their containers are and how good their staff were to deal with last decade.
Hamburg Süd - Nice red cans, one of the only big lines that had a local office and not just a big Gothenburg one
CMA/CGM - Nice french people. Good blue cans.
K-Line - Good red color, and I'm glad they decided to go with K-Line and not print KKK all over their containers and ships
Evergreen - Green cans! Together with the red ones above they create the most Christmassy stacks.
MSC - Very bureaucratic. Yellow cans, good color but not my favorite.
Hyundai - Nice people, also red cans but for some reason I never liked them that much.
COSCO - Their invoice approval process takes about six months for some insane reason. I think maybe they ship the documents back and forth to Asia.
Hapag-Lloyd - Had to deal with some very annoying people there. Kinda boring cans, lots of different older designs.
Maersk - Doesn't acknowledge the existence of the east coast of Sweden. Think everything should go to Gothenburg and then travel on by train or truck. Gets very upset when one of their cans ends up on the east coast ports by accident.
okay but have you considered MOL? they have the greatest mascot.
or ONE, the pink cans are very distinct looking.
you're on the atlantic i'm guessing, and i'm on the pacific, so there are some regionals i've never seen in your list.
can second that hapag-lloyd and maersk kinda suck.
Remember that time that town in Oregon tried to blow up a whale carcass to get rid of it but instead of it vaporizing or whatever the fuck they thought would happen to it they just threw whale bits for miles ruining tons of property and making a bigger mess to clean up?
I’m sad it’s an Evergreen ship that’s stuck. Always liked them.
Should’ve been a Hapag-Lloyd. Or even worse, Maersk.
This is an interesting fandom i'd like to know more about
It's more work damage than fandom. The shipping business has a limited number of actors so if you work in a container port for a few years you end up getting exposed to most of them.
My ranking of shipping lines is based on a combination of how pretty their containers are and how good their staff were to deal with last decade.
Hamburg Süd - Nice red cans, one of the only big lines that had a local office and not just a big Gothenburg one
CMA/CGM - Nice french people. Good blue cans.
K-Line - Good red color, and I'm glad they decided to go with K-Line and not print KKK all over their containers and ships
Evergreen - Green cans! Together with the red ones above they create the most Christmassy stacks.
MSC - Very bureaucratic. Yellow cans, good color but not my favorite.
Hyundai - Nice people, also red cans but for some reason I never liked them that much.
COSCO - Their invoice approval process takes about six months for some insane reason. I think maybe they ship the documents back and forth to Asia.
Hapag-Lloyd - Had to deal with some very annoying people there. Kinda boring cans, lots of different older designs.
Maersk - Doesn't acknowledge the existence of the east coast of Sweden. Think everything should go to Gothenburg and then travel on by train or truck. Gets very upset when one of their cans ends up on the east coast ports by accident.
okay but have you considered MOL? they have the greatest mascot.
or ONE, the pink cans are very distinct looking.
you're on the atlantic i'm guessing, and i'm on the pacific, so there are some regionals i've never seen in your list.
can second that hapag-lloyd and maersk kinda suck.
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We only had a few MOL come through so never noticed that. It did remind me of China Shipping though that had pandas all over their containers. They’re part of COSCO now though.
Technically I’m on the Baltic but yeah pretty much only South America/Europe or Asia/Europe traffic.
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Honestly the own goals humanity has been scoring against ourselves here for the last few years I really am expecting the sort of fuck up where this ship cracks right in half, or capsizes.
Or for what is going to be some assuredly very large machinery also falling into the canal.
All this talk about forces pushing the ship to the side of the canal reminds me of this bit from Terry Pratchett
Can I tell you something very interesting about ships?"
It wasn't exactly what Glenda had expected, but somehow it was one hundred percent Nutt. "Please tell me the interesting thing about ships," she said.
"The interesting thing about ships is that the captains of ships have to be very careful when two ships are close together at sea, particularly in calm conditions. They tend to collide.
"To put it simply, each ship shields the other ship from lateral waves on one side, so by small increments outside forces bring them closer without their realising it."
"Oh! It's a metaphor?" said Glenda, relieved. "You think we're being pushed together . . . if we don't do anything we'll just get closer and closer?"
Alright check this out I'm gonna dress up like a real sexy lady boat and then I'm gonna use my sultry boat charms to lure the boat out of the canal there's no way it could resist the lure of my bodacious bulkheads
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This is genius level thinking
The more information that comes out about this, the more I'm starting to think they're not getting that ship unstuck anytime soon and that there's a good chance something catastrophic happens with the refloating efforts.
in this 37 minute youtube video i will explain exactly how everyone besides me is a simpleton, please give me ten million dollars to un stick the boat
2) don't put Wind in quote marks, this was a full on Khamsin that affected the entire lower Levant
3) at this point it may very well be likely that draining the ship of fuel and dismantling/straight blowing it up is faster, cheaper and more practically feasible than refloating it
Typically it's Godzilla that rises out of the ocean in the cartoons.
Draining the ship of its liquids/removing containers will likely be part of the solution but holy balls how did you get to the conclusion that dismantling it or blowing it up would be easier than refloating it??
so like, granted, I know nothing about the topic at hand
but is there no regulatory body whose job it is to say "hey there's a giant fuckin' sandstorm, do not send the enormous rectangle with 'I am a physics demonstration' painted on the side through the narrow canal that's vitally important for global commerce"
because if not, seriously??????
The marine salvage industry exists because of shit like this
yes but a) that costs money b) suez aint sydney, the land near the canal is mostly basic cropland bordered by a literally biblical desert with no infrastructure, getting the equipment there and setting it up would require significant investment all on its own for a ship of this scale
I mean, I think I'm gonna trust Usagi, who actually has experience in this industry, over internet detective work.
I can say with confidence that "blowing it up" is not going to just get this thing over with
Ships do not explode or dismantle like you may imagine (go poof into dust) and are designed to keep floating with multiple holes banged in them
You think Evergreen and it's parent companies aren't the ones footing the bill here?
And international marine salvage is a Thing, especially in the Middle East (that oil has to get places somehow)
video games have lied to me again
Stop mansplaining my fucking job to me
Pfttthahahahahahaha
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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I was trying to give an opinion, one informed by my point of view, not dismiss or discredit that of someone else who has a professional understanding of the matter, least of all on grounds of gender
Again, I am genuinely sorry and regret having said anything that might cast aspersions. I'll refrain from commenting further.
Come on Indie.
okay but have you considered MOL? they have the greatest mascot.
or ONE, the pink cans are very distinct looking.
you're on the atlantic i'm guessing, and i'm on the pacific, so there are some regionals i've never seen in your list.
can second that hapag-lloyd and maersk kinda suck.
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now that is uncalled for
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/981128288/it-might-take-weeks-to-free-ship-stuck-in-suez-canal-salvage-company-says?t=1616829883344
Article basically says what usagi's been saying.
Also by the numbers in the article, the part that's grounded might be up to 6m deep in the ground.
The same Dutch company was also involved with the salvage of the similarly sized CSL Indian Ocean five years ago
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/cscl-indian-ocean-refloated-on-spring-tide
We only had a few MOL come through so never noticed that. It did remind me of China Shipping though that had pandas all over their containers. They’re part of COSCO now though.
Technically I’m on the Baltic but yeah pretty much only South America/Europe or Asia/Europe traffic.
Or for what is going to be some assuredly very large machinery also falling into the canal.
I bet I could