Question about nighttime, once you've figured out how to get more targets at the party
is there an elegant way to take out Wenjie and Egor on the roof? I dropped Aleksis into the meat grinder, which was beautiful, but then I just had to go up and start blasting at the other two (and holy shit they took a LOT of bullets to go down??)
If I had Nexus and Aether I guess I could have invisibly snapped both their necks at once but I can't imagine trying to get around that level without Shift as well
The hardest part of doing an "Only Visionaries, no Eternalists" playthrough was, by far, the stage of the plan with no Visionaries in it
I'm so curious to learn how other folks managed it, because I felt like a goddamn GENIUS when I found my path
I got to the place fairly easy with aether + blink
The hard part was when I had to disable my powers to use the machine
In retrospect, I could have just set the power disabler far enough away so I could mess with it while using aether
I also shouldn't have gone for that playthrough as my first all visionaries loop.
Yeah, using the machine with people on patrol nearby was the real sticky wicket. I positioned a nullifier such that it caught the machine but left me space to interact with it without stopping Aether, but it took some real finagling to pull it off
Question about nighttime, once you've figured out how to get more targets at the party
is there an elegant way to take out Wenjie and Egor on the roof? I dropped Aleksis into the meat grinder, which was beautiful, but then I just had to go up and start blasting at the other two (and holy shit they took a LOT of bullets to go down??)
If I had Nexus and Aether I guess I could have invisibly snapped both their necks at once but I can't imagine trying to get around that level without Shift as well
If you watch them interact long enough, Wenjie shoves Egor through the skylight. I used that opportunity to isolate and stealthily nab him, then I headed back to the roof and popped Wenjie with a sniper rifle from a goodly distance. Not the MOST elegant, but kept me from having to fight any Eternalists.
I bet one could place a proximity mine down where Egor lands after the shove, I bet that'd be funny.
I wish there was a "Put the pieces on the board how I like them" shortcut, to make experimenting at the final party a little easier
It is hilarious to be Colt, primarily on Updaam but also other maps, and to have the Ghost+Flicker Upgrade+Sniper Rifle. You can literally just squat down on a bit of roof with clear sightlines to the Radio Tower, and take pot shots at Juliana and watch them flip out not knowing where you are or what the fuck is going on. Most of the Julianas I have encountered are way too scared of leaving their area, which is definitely something you should be doing as her. So they just hover around and slowly die as paranoia overwhelms them. The ledge I hang out on also has a clear view into Colt's apartment, so when they go in there to hide I can still shoot them, which causes them to go insane.
I do think that having near permanent invisibility that doesn't break on taking offensive actions is an odd balance choice for a cat and mouse shooter.
I do think that having near permanent invisibility that doesn't break on taking offensive actions is an odd balance choice for a cat and mouse shooter.
If the Julianas would do anything other than move around a small box on the map, I would be really screwed with just sitting still. The gun still leaves a smoke trail when it fires, and you're not really invisible, just hard to see, and it's very loud. Or they could just be patient, get under cover, and force me out. There's no way around the radio tower, I have to go there. Or, when I shoot into the apartment, they could close the window and go out another window. Plenty of moves, they just don't want to make them.
Most people just have too much trepidation about moving/looking for Colt. Don't play scared, embrace death.
Does anyone else always spawn a Julianna when they go to the small security room under/behind Charlie's Mansion? It seems consistent, and the past few times she's always had Havoc and spawned right in my face, which is a nightmare.
I do think that having near permanent invisibility that doesn't break on taking offensive actions is an odd balance choice for a cat and mouse shooter.
I do think that having near permanent invisibility that doesn't break on taking offensive actions is an odd balance choice for a cat and mouse shooter.
If the Julianas would do anything other than move around a small box on the map, I would be really screwed with just sitting still. The gun still leaves a smoke trail when it fires, and you're not really invisible, just hard to see, and it's very loud. Or they could just be patient, get under cover, and force me out. There's no way around the radio tower, I have to go there. Or, when I shoot into the apartment, they could close the window and go out another window. Plenty of moves, they just don't want to make them.
Most people just have too much trepidation about moving/looking for Colt. Don't play scared, embrace death.
Yeah, there's counterplay, but it's still an insanely powerful ability for a cat and mouse game. It's just kind of weirdly overturned to give incredible PvE stealth abilities in PvP.
Yeah, I think what I like about Deathloop is that everything feels of a piece. They don't section anything off for balance, they're just like "deal with it"
On both sides! Like, as Juliana I take the Max Health perk, Headshot Perk, Silent Perk, and Double Jump+ Shift and Aether. Holy shit, better bring the pain because she is not going to get killed quickly.
A gun that shoots exploding gas, a sniper rifle that bleeds you, an automatic shotgun that applies bleed.
and yet I will still routinely get smooshed by Colts who know what the hell they're doing, and they have three tries to kill me, to my one.
For as unbalanced as it looks on paper, it has felt very evenhanded.
I think the only thing that seems poorly implemented is the range and direction with which a character can get an instant melee kill. Sometimes it seems like they have to be looking away, sometimes it doesn't seem to matter, sometimes it seems like they do it from 10 feet away.
I'm two stages into the "real" game and I had a notification that Juliana was looking for me, and a few minutes later a notification that she had left
I assumed Internet trubs, but I made sure that I swept the tower for mines anyway as dying to an absent Juliana would have been a right pisser
Yeah she either disconnected on purpose or lost connection. She also could have jumped off a cliff accidentally. You get the same message if she just dies.
I am pretty sure I have had Julianna spawn more than one time in a loop. Is that supposed to be possible?
yeah she can potentially invade on every phase of the day, and some location/time combos have a higher chance of spawning her, like the complex at night
I do wish there was a way to restart a mission other than going to the main menu and back. It makes experimenting on maps like the one where there is a party at night a pain even beyond taking a minute or two to get back to the building the party is at.
And I still need to find a not-dying-from-gas trinket because I couldn't keep the first one I found. It would be very useful with the gas gun
Doesn't the purple rarity creeping death (make less noise while moving), kind of make purple rarity swift shadow (move faster when crouched) kind of useless except if you really need the visibility reduction from being crouched?
Doesn't the purple rarity creeping death (make less noise while moving), kind of make purple rarity swift shadow (move faster when crouched) kind of useless except if you really need the visibility reduction from being crouched?
some of the character traits overlap, and I can only imagine they do because in both roles it's random what ones you can get
On the upside it makes me feel very charitable, like I'm really doing a solid for the folks lucky enough to get invaded by my dumb ass. Preventing them from having to deal with someone actually competent, I'm a real hero
On the upside it makes me feel very charitable, like I'm really doing a solid for the folks lucky enough to get invaded by my dumb ass. Preventing them from having to deal with someone actually competent, I'm a real hero
One thing that I have found to be invaluable is proximity mines on the normal entrances to the radar. Like on Udaam, the landing under the library window, the door directly under that area, the left side of the roof, and then right at the door to the far entrance to that area (where you can get over to the bridge to Charlie's Mansion).
That lets me feel pretty good about flowing a little more far afield to see where colt is, and if I hear one go off, I can zip back.
Are you playing on pc or ps5?
also, cannot even begin to think about ever changing my outfit after this one, Juliana is styling:
my current julianna tactic is to try to remember the placement of as many turrets as possible, and as soon as i enter a game, run off and get some to set up near the radar, in positions that make it hard to hack from a distance
setting up around a visionary is also a good tactic, though if they're not making an attempt on the target this time around they might just hack the radar and ditch you
Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
Question: if you as Juliana kill the boss, can you take their shit and trinkets and such, or can you not pick up lootables?
Becuase it'd be rude as hell to kill a visionary to deny Colt the treasures, even if killing the visionary is technically his goal the treasures are what I'm always after!
I do wish there was a way to restart a mission other than going to the main menu and back. It makes experimenting on maps like the one where there is a party at night a pain even beyond taking a minute or two to get back to the building the party is at.
And I still need to find a not-dying-from-gas trinket because I couldn't keep the first one I found. It would be very useful with the gas gun
Yeah, I foolishly dropped a purple gun with additional damage to tagged targets to grab the gas gun, then choked myself in the next area during a frantic shootout
Question: if you as Juliana kill the boss, can you take their shit and trinkets and such, or can you not pick up lootables?
Becuase it'd be rude as hell to kill a visionary to deny Colt the treasures, even if killing the visionary is technically his goal the treasures are what I'm always after!
The way you get anything as Juliana is simply a loot box that drops for every hunter rank, you get 7-9 items, ranging from gray character traits to powers/upgrades to skins to guns.
My tactic as Juliana, which has been very successful, is to observe the entrance, find Colt via a disrupted cultist or two, tag him if I'm feeling cheeky, then just activate Havoc and shoot his ass with a shotgun.
It's surprisingly effective to just go loud all the time.
On the upside it makes me feel very charitable, like I'm really doing a solid for the folks lucky enough to get invaded by my dumb ass. Preventing them from having to deal with someone actually competent, I'm a real hero
One thing that I have found to be invaluable is proximity mines on the normal entrances to the radar. Like on Udaam, the landing under the library window, the door directly under that area, the left side of the roof, and then right at the door to the far entrance to that area (where you can get over to the bridge to Charlie's Mansion).
That lets me feel pretty good about flowing a little more far afield to see where colt is, and if I hear one go off, I can zip back.
Are you playing on pc or ps5?
also, cannot even begin to think about ever changing my outfit after this one, Juliana is styling:
Proximity mines are the only way I've gotten any kills, yeah. I'm on PS5.
I'm also level 11 and the only slabs I've gotten are Shift and Karnesis which are both kinda useless for Juliana
I pretty much exclusively use shift as a get out of jail card for juliana both for catching up and getting away from colt if i'm down in health, but yeah karnesis is not super useful
I put a proximity mine on Colt's corpse and blew him up when he came to retrieve his residuum, god it was one of the meanest things I've done in a video game
edit: my favorite proximity mine hit so far was putting one on the air vent outside the house on Updaam that booped the sneaky colt right off the stage.
A Colt managed to sneak past my mines, alert basically no guards, hack the radio, and kill the visionary in 15+ minutes of total ghost gameplay.
They were not smart enough to leave after killing the visionary, and I killed them as they were busy reading log entries. Fuckin' Colt is dumbass sometime(line)s
Man I really shouldn't have talked shit about Karnesis, I've wiped three different players now and "fling em off a goddamn cliff" accounted for over half my kills, people NEVER see it coming
I put a proximity mine on Colt's corpse and blew him up when he came to retrieve his residuum, god it was one of the meanest things I've done in a video game
I told my wife about this like it was a fun story about fun times in a video game and she was faintly horrified and said "That's literally a war crime under the Geneva Convention" which, fair
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To be fair there are only a handful of things that happen in Deathloop that aren’t war crimes.
But also, man, going into this I was not expecting a game with a more anti-Objectivism slant than Bioshock but I’m into it.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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If I had Nexus and Aether I guess I could have invisibly snapped both their necks at once but I can't imagine trying to get around that level without Shift as well
Yeah, using the machine with people on patrol nearby was the real sticky wicket. I positioned a nullifier such that it caught the machine but left me space to interact with it without stopping Aether, but it took some real finagling to pull it off
I bet one could place a proximity mine down where Egor lands after the shove, I bet that'd be funny.
I wish there was a "Put the pieces on the board how I like them" shortcut, to make experimenting at the final party a little easier
It is hilarious to be Colt, primarily on Updaam but also other maps, and to have the Ghost+Flicker Upgrade+Sniper Rifle. You can literally just squat down on a bit of roof with clear sightlines to the Radio Tower, and take pot shots at Juliana and watch them flip out not knowing where you are or what the fuck is going on. Most of the Julianas I have encountered are way too scared of leaving their area, which is definitely something you should be doing as her. So they just hover around and slowly die as paranoia overwhelms them. The ledge I hang out on also has a clear view into Colt's apartment, so when they go in there to hide I can still shoot them, which causes them to go insane.
If the Julianas would do anything other than move around a small box on the map, I would be really screwed with just sitting still. The gun still leaves a smoke trail when it fires, and you're not really invisible, just hard to see, and it's very loud. Or they could just be patient, get under cover, and force me out. There's no way around the radio tower, I have to go there. Or, when I shoot into the apartment, they could close the window and go out another window. Plenty of moves, they just don't want to make them.
Most people just have too much trepidation about moving/looking for Colt. Don't play scared, embrace death.
Yeah, there's counterplay, but it's still an insanely powerful ability for a cat and mouse game. It's just kind of weirdly overturned to give incredible PvE stealth abilities in PvP.
On both sides! Like, as Juliana I take the Max Health perk, Headshot Perk, Silent Perk, and Double Jump+ Shift and Aether. Holy shit, better bring the pain because she is not going to get killed quickly.
A gun that shoots exploding gas, a sniper rifle that bleeds you, an automatic shotgun that applies bleed.
and yet I will still routinely get smooshed by Colts who know what the hell they're doing, and they have three tries to kill me, to my one.
For as unbalanced as it looks on paper, it has felt very evenhanded.
I think the only thing that seems poorly implemented is the range and direction with which a character can get an instant melee kill. Sometimes it seems like they have to be looking away, sometimes it doesn't seem to matter, sometimes it seems like they do it from 10 feet away.
I assumed Internet trubs, but I made sure that I swept the tower for mines anyway as dying to an absent Juliana would have been a right pisser
Yeah she either disconnected on purpose or lost connection. She also could have jumped off a cliff accidentally. You get the same message if she just dies.
yeah she can potentially invade on every phase of the day, and some location/time combos have a higher chance of spawning her, like the complex at night
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Light end game spoilers kind of?
As far as multiple Juliana invasions- yes, and there’s a story reason for that.
And I still need to find a not-dying-from-gas trinket because I couldn't keep the first one I found. It would be very useful with the gas gun
some of the character traits overlap, and I can only imagine they do because in both roles it's random what ones you can get
On the upside it makes me feel very charitable, like I'm really doing a solid for the folks lucky enough to get invaded by my dumb ass. Preventing them from having to deal with someone actually competent, I'm a real hero
One thing that I have found to be invaluable is proximity mines on the normal entrances to the radar. Like on Udaam, the landing under the library window, the door directly under that area, the left side of the roof, and then right at the door to the far entrance to that area (where you can get over to the bridge to Charlie's Mansion).
That lets me feel pretty good about flowing a little more far afield to see where colt is, and if I hear one go off, I can zip back.
Are you playing on pc or ps5?
also, cannot even begin to think about ever changing my outfit after this one, Juliana is styling:
setting up around a visionary is also a good tactic, though if they're not making an attempt on the target this time around they might just hack the radar and ditch you
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Becuase it'd be rude as hell to kill a visionary to deny Colt the treasures, even if killing the visionary is technically his goal the treasures are what I'm always after!
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Yeah, I foolishly dropped a purple gun with additional damage to tagged targets to grab the gas gun, then choked myself in the next area during a frantic shootout
yeah nah you can't
http://www.audioentropy.com/
It's surprisingly effective to just go loud all the time.
Proximity mines are the only way I've gotten any kills, yeah. I'm on PS5.
I'm also level 11 and the only slabs I've gotten are Shift and Karnesis which are both kinda useless for Juliana
He tried to Shift his way back but panicked and rocketed himself further into the aether, it was a hoot
I don't see why Julianna would ever want to use nexus. Even if you can link Colt to eternalists, that seems rather situational.
the strelak 50-50 is just...a murder machine
edit: my favorite proximity mine hit so far was putting one on the air vent outside the house on Updaam that booped the sneaky colt right off the stage.
They were not smart enough to leave after killing the visionary, and I killed them as they were busy reading log entries. Fuckin' Colt is dumbass sometime(line)s
I told my wife about this like it was a fun story about fun times in a video game and she was faintly horrified and said "That's literally a war crime under the Geneva Convention" which, fair
But also, man, going into this I was not expecting a game with a more anti-Objectivism slant than Bioshock but I’m into it.