This card seems like it's pretty good, lot of people fetching in both Commander and Legacy.
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Ya seems rad. Obviously for 1v1 formats you'd rather a card like Aven Mindcensor that just shuts it down, but for Commander this kind of "you can do what you want as long as I get mine" card is a lot more effective.
That’s some very Blue flavor text for a White card.
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there was a brief period in standard where my deck’s plan C was “all else fails, put the Sword on the Birds of Paradise” and as a plan C it is hilarious
Still flummoxed that there is not a term for "instants and sorceries" yet
Non-permanent.
You're not wrong, but that contains a lot of things that might not exist yet but could, and I doubt they would ever template cards that care about instants and sorceries that way.
Yeah they've never actually used that on a card. It's just the only one I could come up with until Rosewater finally pulls the "Instant is a supertype" trigger. Which will also never happen, to be clear.
I wonder how many cards that would actually break?
EDIT: I guess the primary issue would be things that refer to Sorceries and not instants, right? Those would have to be errata'd to say non-instant sorceries.
It would also muddy the distinction between "instant-speed" and "sorcery-speed" effects.
No? Every activated ability has instant timing ("whenever you have priority") unless it says it doesn't. Making Instant a supertype wouldn't change that.
After the general text box cleanup, the other major change would be the elimination of Flash (the keyword) as something the game needs or even supports.
EDIT: That gets ugly in a few corner-cases like Slitherwisp, which cares about Flash but not actual Instants.
It's not the most efficient deck, but the little spark of joy Tergrid God of Fright gives me when people stumble into its effect and then immediately concede makes it worth it.
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It's not the most efficient deck, but the little spark of joy Tergrid God of Fright gives me when people stumble into its effect and then immediately concede makes it worth it.
especially now with the incidental sacrifice stuff out there. Besides Sagas hitting the last chapter, now there's Blitzing Tenacious Underdogs etc.
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It's not the most efficient deck, but the little spark of joy Tergrid God of Fright gives me when people stumble into its effect and then immediately concede makes it worth it.
especially now with the incidental sacrifice stuff out there. Besides Sagas hitting the last chapter, now there's Blitzing Tenacious Underdogs etc.
lot of folks discarding cards these days with Connive, too
It's not the most efficient deck, but the little spark of joy Tergrid God of Fright gives me when people stumble into its effect and then immediately concede makes it worth it.
especially now with the incidental sacrifice stuff out there. Besides Sagas hitting the last chapter, now there's Blitzing Tenacious Underdogs etc.
lot of folks discarding cards these days with Connive, too
Ugh, Tergrid pretty much shuts my Raffine deck down entirely. I should put a Homeward Path in it just to laugh, because then I deliberately throw out creatures, Tergrid brings them into play, and then I bring them over to my side of the field before my turn (or if they attack me).
watching mtgfinance people get mad when they feel a set is weak cracks me up. buncha folks furious wotc doesn't just mail them $500 every three months i guess. doesn't occur to them to just buy a different set, no we gotta fume that we can't fuel our preorder addiction
Oh wow I've never seen the nonsense that two active Fables can do before. That was hilarious.
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If you make a copy in your opponent's EOT, they stick around for your turn. That's an old K-J trick. But because Reflection isn't Legendary they can target each other. And since the copies have haste, you can make as many copies as you have untapped mana.
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my actual Reflections get killed so consistently that I often have no plan to actually use the copy ability; it's just a 3 mana Treasure goblin + Faithless Looting. If I get the opportunity to copy a Titan of Industry or something then that's cool, but it almost never happens.
my actual Reflections get killed so consistently that I often have no plan to actually use the copy ability; it's just a 3 mana Treasure goblin + Faithless Looting. If I get the opportunity to copy a Titan of Industry or something then that's cool, but it almost never happens.
Its so good because those first two effects are already solid though. Both would be great for 2 mana, so 3 for both is a steal.
Another sea of midrange decks made this Set Championship an enjoyable watch, but the Worlds qualifications and a couple of personal stories really upped the drama.
Slight shame that 7 rounds were tainted by Historic though.
watching mtgfinance people get mad when they feel a set is weak cracks me up. buncha folks furious wotc doesn't just mail them $500 every three months i guess. doesn't occur to them to just buy a different set, no we gotta fume that we can't fuel our preorder addiction
Are all the creature tokens created simultaneously? Wondering if it would be possible to cast https://scryfall.com/card/khm/69/mystic-reflection on a Brutal Cathar and then Uprising, and have the Cathar tokens exile the Samurai tokens the opponent got (plus one other creature)?
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It's kindof worse than that. All the tokens enter simultaneously, but as the active player your Cathar triggered abilities go on the stack first, then theirs. So you get all your triggers targeting their tokens on the stack, then they get their triggers targeting (presumably) your tokens (minus 1) on the stack. Then the stack resolves their triggers first, erasing all your tokens. Then your triggers resolve, but because the duration is "until this creature leaves the battlefield," and your tokens have already left the battlefield, their tokens never get exiled at all. So in the end they get X-1 free 2/2s and you get one remaining Cathar token which exiles one of their tokens.
It's kindof worse than that. All the tokens enter simultaneously, but as the active player your Cathar triggered abilities go on the stack first, then theirs. So you get all your triggers targeting their tokens on the stack, then they get their triggers targeting (presumably) your tokens (minus 1) on the stack. Then the stack resolves their triggers first, erasing all your tokens. Then your triggers resolve, but because the duration is "until this creature leaves the battlefield," and your tokens have already left the battlefield, their tokens never get exiled at all. So in the end they get X-1 free 2/2s and you get one remaining Cathar token which exiles one of their tokens.
Note that this would almost work with Skyclave Apparition were it not for its "nontoken" clause. Apparition has unusual (kinda old school) templating with two separate triggers.
In fact that might be kind of hilarious if they have a bunch of nontoken permanents and you don't.
It's kindof worse than that. All the tokens enter simultaneously, but as the active player your Cathar triggered abilities go on the stack first, then theirs. So you get all your triggers targeting their tokens on the stack, then they get their triggers targeting (presumably) your tokens (minus 1) on the stack. Then the stack resolves their triggers first, erasing all your tokens. Then your triggers resolve, but because the duration is "until this creature leaves the battlefield," and your tokens have already left the battlefield, their tokens never get exiled at all. So in the end they get X-1 free 2/2s and you get one remaining Cathar token which exiles one of their tokens.
Dang, back to the drawing board
Edit: or maybe not. Just checked with a friend who had a similar combo pulled against him with Righteous Valkyrie, and only the opponent got angels, he still got 2/2 samurai. Maybe the Arena client is getting it wrong, but it looks like because the caster’s tokens go on the stack first, and Reflection only cares about the next instance of creatures or walkers entering, its effect doesn’t apply to the tokens the opponent gets
It's kindof worse than that. All the tokens enter simultaneously, but as the active player your Cathar triggered abilities go on the stack first, then theirs. So you get all your triggers targeting their tokens on the stack, then they get their triggers targeting (presumably) your tokens (minus 1) on the stack. Then the stack resolves their triggers first, erasing all your tokens. Then your triggers resolve, but because the duration is "until this creature leaves the battlefield," and your tokens have already left the battlefield, their tokens never get exiled at all. So in the end they get X-1 free 2/2s and you get one remaining Cathar token which exiles one of their tokens.
Just do it during their turn so active player puts their triggers on the stack first, easy.
You know what else would be fun to make copies of?
Witty Roastmaster.
Ahaha. (X-1)^2 damage to all opponents seems like a good deal for XWUR. X=5 kills outright, but X=4 is probably lethal already due to the tokens still getting menace and haste.
I love how many dragons are getting printed in the upcoming Dungeons and Dragons set. There's like, 3 or 4 full five-color cycles plus a Temur dragon legend and more support in those colors.
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Or Ashaya, or probably some other things I'm not thinking of atm.
It's a very good commander and lots of ways to have fun with it.
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This card seems like it's pretty good, lot of people fetching in both Commander and Legacy.
Got 'em
It's primary blue secondary white. White often has scholars and whatnot.
No? Every activated ability has instant timing ("whenever you have priority") unless it says it doesn't. Making Instant a supertype wouldn't change that.
After the general text box cleanup, the other major change would be the elimination of Flash (the keyword) as something the game needs or even supports.
EDIT: That gets ugly in a few corner-cases like Slitherwisp, which cares about Flash but not actual Instants.
especially now with the incidental sacrifice stuff out there. Besides Sagas hitting the last chapter, now there's Blitzing Tenacious Underdogs etc.
Could probably just put the cat down and leave oven alone.
The oven is more problematic than the cat.
lot of folks discarding cards these days with Connive, too
Ugh, Tergrid pretty much shuts my Raffine deck down entirely. I should put a Homeward Path in it just to laugh, because then I deliberately throw out creatures, Tergrid brings them into play, and then I bring them over to my side of the field before my turn (or if they attack me).
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Its so good because those first two effects are already solid though. Both would be great for 2 mana, so 3 for both is a steal.
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Slight shame that 7 rounds were tainted by Historic though.
god i love reading mtgfinance
Baby Owlbear.
I want that thing for shenanigans.
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Are all the creature tokens created simultaneously? Wondering if it would be possible to cast https://scryfall.com/card/khm/69/mystic-reflection on a Brutal Cathar and then Uprising, and have the Cathar tokens exile the Samurai tokens the opponent got (plus one other creature)?
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Note that this would almost work with Skyclave Apparition were it not for its "nontoken" clause. Apparition has unusual (kinda old school) templating with two separate triggers.
In fact that might be kind of hilarious if they have a bunch of nontoken permanents and you don't.
Dang, back to the drawing board
Edit: or maybe not. Just checked with a friend who had a similar combo pulled against him with Righteous Valkyrie, and only the opponent got angels, he still got 2/2 samurai. Maybe the Arena client is getting it wrong, but it looks like because the caster’s tokens go on the stack first, and Reflection only cares about the next instance of creatures or walkers entering, its effect doesn’t apply to the tokens the opponent gets
This is similar to Farewell exiling Portable Hole, causing a creature to be returned, then exiling the returned creature as creatures get exiled next.
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Just do it during their turn so active player puts their triggers on the stack first, easy.
Witty Roastmaster.
Ahaha. (X-1)^2 damage to all opponents seems like a good deal for XWUR. X=5 kills outright, but X=4 is probably lethal already due to the tokens still getting menace and haste.
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Meanwhile, dungeon count: 1.
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