I shudder to even think what SCOTUS opinions would look like without the clerks to write them
I dunno, a lot of the Alito written stuff just seems like him starting off with 'I've got a lotta problems with you people' and then free associating until he finishes 'Because 'Fuck you', that's why'.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
I shudder to even think what SCOTUS opinions would look like without the clerks to write them
I dunno, a lot of the Alito written stuff just seems like him starting off with 'I've got a lotta problems with you people' and then free associating until he finishes 'Because 'Fuck you', that's why'.
My long running take is his opinions are slightly legalesed-up Facebook posts
I shudder to even think what SCOTUS opinions would look like without the clerks to write them
I dunno, a lot of the Alito written stuff just seems like him starting off with 'I've got a lotta problems with you people' and then free associating until he finishes 'Because 'Fuck you', that's why'.
From what I've gathered they are far more collected then that. He's got specific grudges he's hashing out and specific people he's trying to troll. Alito isn't some fly-by-night shitposter, he's an effort-shit-poster.
Presumably, every single clerk knows exactly how much legal authority the investigation has
The entire thing is a transparent fishing expedition to punch down on the most vulnerable staff at the court. An actual investigation would start at the top, reviewing who had access to the documents, checking edit histories in the word doc, and then checking emails or suspicious log ins and file saves/transfers. (Though I'm not sure if they can actually drill data down that far.) A forensic computer firm could probably narrow it down pretty quick. But since they justices are untouchable and there's no mechanism at the court to force them to comply with an investigation, well then, it had to be one of the pesky kids that did it! Asking to search personal cell phones is some high school shit, and normally would be a last ditch effort of an investigation. And they would never demand that the justices submit to that.
Also, I'm sure the other part of this is that the court has been plagued by leaks after the Roe opinion leaked, and even though it's clearly justices doing it, they figure it's as good as time as any to figure out which clerks are talking to journo's on the side.
Maybe ten years ago I would have said that if you were smart enough to become a SCOTUS law clerk and then leak a decision like this you wouldn't use your personal device at all or actually print the fucking thing and mail it or use an encrypted message or whatever.
But, no, all these people are fucking morons so they probably emailed it from clerk.lawperson@hotmail.com to editor@nytimes.com.
Maybe ten years ago I would have said that if you were smart enough to become a SCOTUS law clerk and then leak a decision like this you wouldn't use your personal device at all or actually print the fucking thing and mail it or use an encrypted message or whatever.
But, no, all these people are fucking morons so they probably emailed it from clerk.lawperson@hotmail.com to editor@nytimes.com.
And if they worried a little about electronic surveillance their solution will have been to just print it on their personal letterhead and mail it in a hand addressed envelope with a personally licked stamp.
The "who leaked this" thing is a distraction from the greater issue
The greater issue being "this is an illegitimate court being used to legislate for the minority party with zero oversight"
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Lawyers are often very egotistical about investigations and internal policing interactions, it’s the arrogance. I bet 2 or 3 hire council, 1 will get a VA rep and maybe 1 person has insurance that will hire an advocate.
Where as there are 36 clerks, there should be 36 lawyers representing those 36 clerks.
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silence1186Character shields down!As a wingmanRegistered Userregular
And they pulled the trigger today about 10 minutes ago.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
Think of the funds we can raise!
Ghouls.
Can we fucking NOT?
While I agree, I don't think it's out of line to point out that I have in fact, already, started receiving fundraising emails citing this decision.
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
Think of the funds we can raise!
Ghouls.
Can we fucking NOT?
While I agree, I don't think it's out of line to point out that I have in fact, already, started receiving fundraising emails citing this decision.
That's different, and I agree there. *Sighs* Stupid marketing people and automated stuff.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
Think of the funds we can raise!
Ghouls.
Can we fucking NOT?
A certain class of people, usually professional talking heads, will have this exact line of thought because politics is a game to them, a horse race, and not something that actually materially affects their lives.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
Think of the funds we can raise!
Ghouls.
Can we fucking NOT?
While I agree, I don't think it's out of line to point out that I have in fact, already, started receiving fundraising emails citing this decision.
Sorry, yeah, that's what I was going for there. I got an email just after I saw the thread update and it made me super angry.
I always look and think local for the last five or so years as this horrible shit keeps coming down the pipeline, but I live in a deep blue state that has some issues with white supremacists and homelessness, but has otherwise been making a lot of good strides and is going I'm generally happy with the direction we're going. There's only so much I can do for the people in Texas or Florida or wherever, and they've been putting these twatwaffles in charge by overwhelming margins for longer than I've been alive, so much so that even if Roe v Wade hadn't been overturned, they'd still be throwing women who had miscarriages in jail and it would still be de facto impossible to actually get an abortion.
I know a lot of folks only have one setting, but can you take your dunks on the Democratic Party over to the dumpster fire thread?
This is shitty enough without having to deal with the hottest takes about how this is Bidens fault actually.
I'd think you'd respect me enough to recognize that I didn't always shit on the democratic party.
That said, man that really sucks that you have to read some people complain about politicians. That's definitely comparable to the pain people materially affected by this decision will face in the coming days/weeks/months.
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
The most important question of course is how this will affect the Democratic party and not how it will affect the millions of women throughout this country affected by the law.
Think of the funds we can raise!
Ghouls.
Can we fucking NOT?
A certain class of people, usually professional talking heads, will have this exact line of thought because politics is a game to them, a horse race, and not something that actually materially affects their lives.
Then let's be better, IMO.
And yeah, apologies, I thought you both were just saying it was something they were going to do, not that some stupid PACs or organizations had already sent out fundraising stuff.
*checks* Whew. The main PACs I get email from haven't sent out anything... yet.
I always look and think local for the last five or so years as this horrible shit keeps coming down the pipeline, but I live in a deep blue state that has some issues with white supremacists and homelessness, but has otherwise been making a lot of good strides and is going I'm generally happy with the direction we're going. There's only so much I can do for the people in Texas or Florida or wherever, and they've been putting these twatwaffles in charge by overwhelming margins for longer than I've been alive, so much so that even if Roe v Wade hadn't been overturned, they'd still be throwing women who had miscarriages in jail and it would still be de facto impossible to actually get an abortion.
Texas had more Democratic voters pull the lever in 2020 than any state outside of California and NY, and was less than 2000 people behind NY
They've essentially got millions of people stuck behind enemy lines. It's horrible.
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
I always look and think local for the last five or so years as this horrible shit keeps coming down the pipeline, but I live in a deep blue state that has some issues with white supremacists and homelessness, but has otherwise been making a lot of good strides and is going I'm generally happy with the direction we're going. There's only so much I can do for the people in Texas or Florida or wherever, and they've been putting these twatwaffles in charge by overwhelming margins for longer than I've been alive, so much so that even if Roe v Wade hadn't been overturned, they'd still be throwing women who had miscarriages in jail and it would still be de facto impossible to actually get an abortion.
Texas had more Democratic voters pull the lever in 2020 than any state outside of California and NY, and was less than 2000 people behind NY
They've essentially got millions of people stuck behind enemy lines. It's horrible.
In Florida, Dems only lost the gov race by 32.5k votes, less than half a percent of the overall vote total.
Florida’s metro areas are in the same boat as Texas.
Yeah, fundamentally the problem is the SCOTUS is just an unelected super-legislature that can do whatever the fuck they want if the people making up the court want to run it that way. And conservatives have spent the last 40 years or so making sure everyone that they put on that court wants to run it that way.
Yeah, fundamentally the problem is the SCOTUS is just an unelected super-legislature that can do whatever the fuck they want if the people making up the court want to run it that way. And conservatives have spent the last 40 years or so making sure everyone that they put on that court wants to run it that way.
But SCOTUS wasn't an unelected super legislature in 1973? That's only when you disagree with their rulings?
There have been 50 years and many democrat majorities to write laws, the institution of the Supreme Court is fine, blame your legislators if you're unhappy with the state of legislature because anything the court gives it can take away.
Yeah, fundamentally the problem is the SCOTUS is just an unelected super-legislature that can do whatever the fuck they want if the people making up the court want to run it that way. And conservatives have spent the last 40 years or so making sure everyone that they put on that court wants to run it that way.
But SCOTUS wasn't an unelected super legislature in 1973? That's only when you disagree with their rulings?
There have been 50 years and many democrat majorities to write laws, the institution of the Supreme Court is fine, blame your legislators if you're unhappy with the state of legislature because anything the court gives it can take away.
nah it's a dogshit institution that needs to be uprooted
Yeah, fundamentally the problem is the SCOTUS is just an unelected super-legislature that can do whatever the fuck they want if the people making up the court want to run it that way. And conservatives have spent the last 40 years or so making sure everyone that they put on that court wants to run it that way.
But SCOTUS wasn't an unelected super legislature in 1973? That's only when you disagree with their rulings?
There have been 50 years and many democrat majorities to write laws, the institution of the Supreme Court is fine, blame your legislators if you're unhappy with the state of legislature because anything the court gives it can take away.
The striking down of the VRA is an obvious example of what I'm talking about here. This SCOTUS is absolutely about overstepping it's bounds and making random rulings based on no precedent and will absolutely, as in the above example, not let the legislature get in the way of enforcing it's own vision of what the law should be. You could pass a law codifying the right to an abortion and this SCOTUS would just find a reason why it wouldn't be "constitutional" and strike it down. It is frankly not my problem if you are not familiar enough with the history of the supreme court to understand the ways in which they have been overstepping their bounds.
Yeah, fundamentally the problem is the SCOTUS is just an unelected super-legislature that can do whatever the fuck they want if the people making up the court want to run it that way. And conservatives have spent the last 40 years or so making sure everyone that they put on that court wants to run it that way.
But SCOTUS wasn't an unelected super legislature in 1973? That's only when you disagree with their rulings?
There have been 50 years and many democrat majorities to write laws, the institution of the Supreme Court is fine, blame your legislators if you're unhappy with the state of legislature because anything the court gives it can take away.
Might want to read the middle of the post there
"if the people making up the court want to run it that way."
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Zero but non-cooperation may tank your career. Judgeships are politics.
I dunno, a lot of the Alito written stuff just seems like him starting off with 'I've got a lotta problems with you people' and then free associating until he finishes 'Because 'Fuck you', that's why'.
My long running take is his opinions are slightly legalesed-up Facebook posts
From what I've gathered they are far more collected then that. He's got specific grudges he's hashing out and specific people he's trying to troll. Alito isn't some fly-by-night shitposter, he's an effort-shit-poster.
The entire thing is a transparent fishing expedition to punch down on the most vulnerable staff at the court. An actual investigation would start at the top, reviewing who had access to the documents, checking edit histories in the word doc, and then checking emails or suspicious log ins and file saves/transfers. (Though I'm not sure if they can actually drill data down that far.) A forensic computer firm could probably narrow it down pretty quick. But since they justices are untouchable and there's no mechanism at the court to force them to comply with an investigation, well then, it had to be one of the pesky kids that did it! Asking to search personal cell phones is some high school shit, and normally would be a last ditch effort of an investigation. And they would never demand that the justices submit to that.
Also, I'm sure the other part of this is that the court has been plagued by leaks after the Roe opinion leaked, and even though it's clearly justices doing it, they figure it's as good as time as any to figure out which clerks are talking to journo's on the side.
But, no, all these people are fucking morons so they probably emailed it from clerk.lawperson@hotmail.com to editor@nytimes.com.
And if they worried a little about electronic surveillance their solution will have been to just print it on their personal letterhead and mail it in a hand addressed envelope with a personally licked stamp.
The greater issue being "this is an illegitimate court being used to legislate for the minority party with zero oversight"
Where as there are 36 clerks, there should be 36 lawyers representing those 36 clerks.
Think of the funds we can raise!
Ghouls.
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Can we fucking NOT?
Meanwhile Republicans are pushing some bullshit op "night of rage" thing as if donkeys will actually go out and riot lmfao
While I agree, I don't think it's out of line to point out that I have in fact, already, started receiving fundraising emails citing this decision.
That's different, and I agree there. *Sighs* Stupid marketing people and automated stuff.
A certain class of people, usually professional talking heads, will have this exact line of thought because politics is a game to them, a horse race, and not something that actually materially affects their lives.
This is shitty enough without having to deal with the hottest takes about how this is Bidens fault actually.
Sorry, yeah, that's what I was going for there. I got an email just after I saw the thread update and it made me super angry.
I always look and think local for the last five or so years as this horrible shit keeps coming down the pipeline, but I live in a deep blue state that has some issues with white supremacists and homelessness, but has otherwise been making a lot of good strides and is going I'm generally happy with the direction we're going. There's only so much I can do for the people in Texas or Florida or wherever, and they've been putting these twatwaffles in charge by overwhelming margins for longer than I've been alive, so much so that even if Roe v Wade hadn't been overturned, they'd still be throwing women who had miscarriages in jail and it would still be de facto impossible to actually get an abortion.
I'd think you'd respect me enough to recognize that I didn't always shit on the democratic party.
That said, man that really sucks that you have to read some people complain about politicians. That's definitely comparable to the pain people materially affected by this decision will face in the coming days/weeks/months.
Then let's be better, IMO.
And yeah, apologies, I thought you both were just saying it was something they were going to do, not that some stupid PACs or organizations had already sent out fundraising stuff.
*checks* Whew. The main PACs I get email from haven't sent out anything... yet.
Texas had more Democratic voters pull the lever in 2020 than any state outside of California and NY, and was less than 2000 people behind NY
They've essentially got millions of people stuck behind enemy lines. It's horrible.
In Florida, Dems only lost the gov race by 32.5k votes, less than half a percent of the overall vote total.
Florida’s metro areas are in the same boat as Texas.
idk who this is but it's a funny comment in this awful time
But SCOTUS wasn't an unelected super legislature in 1973? That's only when you disagree with their rulings?
There have been 50 years and many democrat majorities to write laws, the institution of the Supreme Court is fine, blame your legislators if you're unhappy with the state of legislature because anything the court gives it can take away.
nah it's a dogshit institution that needs to be uprooted
The striking down of the VRA is an obvious example of what I'm talking about here. This SCOTUS is absolutely about overstepping it's bounds and making random rulings based on no precedent and will absolutely, as in the above example, not let the legislature get in the way of enforcing it's own vision of what the law should be. You could pass a law codifying the right to an abortion and this SCOTUS would just find a reason why it wouldn't be "constitutional" and strike it down. It is frankly not my problem if you are not familiar enough with the history of the supreme court to understand the ways in which they have been overstepping their bounds.
Might want to read the middle of the post there
"if the people making up the court want to run it that way."