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[Retro Games] II: The Adventure of Gex (Coming to Switch, PS4/5, Xbox S|X, & Steam)

LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
edited July 2023 in Games and Technology
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Old Games. Some age like wine, some like milk. Let's talk about all things retro.

First, the consoles. While there are some generation numbers people go by, here are my categories.

Old as Dirt.
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These are the ones that you had to hook up with weird adaptors to your old 12" TV with those prongs and two screws in the back of the TV. This generation's leaders would be Odyssey, Atari 2600, Colecovision, and Intellivision. Simple games that mostly were high score chasing and hit or miss arcade ports. For every Yars Revenge that still is fun to play, there are a bunch of Star Raiders that make no sense today. Personal fun fact: I enjoy playing ET and don't think it's even in the top 20 of worst games ever made.

8 Bit Era
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Honestly, this is where games start aging well. Games start to have stories, look like their arcade originals, and controller buttons became more plentiful. The leaders were NES and Sega Master System (and maybe the Atari 7800 is part of this group). Highlights might be the start of Mario, Zelda, Megaman, Castlevania, Contra, and whatever your weirdos with Master Systems played...Alf maybe? Personal fun fact: I was once convinced to get Hydlide instead of Zelda because they looked sort of similar on the box and Hyldlide was $10 cheaper.

16 Bit Era
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This was the big console wars era. Nintendo and Sega just consistently crapped on each other and gamers picked sides and a game named Ballz got made. The three leaders would be SNES, Genesis, and TurboGrafx 16 (and any odd add-ons they stacked underneath them). Highlights were sequels to NES games, Sonic, SNES RPGs, sports games really starting to get closer to the actual sports, and the massive rise of fighting games. Personal fun fact: Might and Magic on the Genesis remains my favorite RPG.

32 Bit Era
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The first true 3D consoles. The leaders were the Nintendo 64, Playstation 1 and Sega Saturn (with Atari sputtering its last breath with the Jaguar). This was really a transitional period, with games hitting 3D for the first time with Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time, new characters like Crash and Rayman emerging, and analog sticks appearing on controllers for the first time since the Atari 5200. Personal fun fact: My then-girlfriend (now wife) got fired from a temp job because we skipped work to rent an N64 and Mario on launch weekend.

Beyond: The PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast and XBox are clearly now retro. I didn't grab pictures of them, but they are starting to be very collectible (check the prices on Cube games for proof of that).

Handhelds
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There are also a ton of handhelds, that I won't bother splitting up into years. Let's just say Nintendo has ruled pretty much forever with their various handhelds with every other company except maybe Microsoft trying to best them and then giving up. Sony arguably did the best with the PSP and Vita but even they decided to eventually bow out of the market. Personal fun fact: We used to play link cable Tetris on the ferry boat to math team competitions in high school. That is the nerdiest sentence I'll write today.

Aside from these, there are weird systems like Vectrex and those folks that collect Retro PC stuff like Commodore 64, Apple IIe or big boxed PC games.

What fills your bookshelves of old crap?

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  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    Mmm. That wonderful musty, old school smell. Thank you for creating the new thread to continue sharing memories.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    I am actually liking the Steam, Korean version of Hellgate: London. Feels like a polished version of the game. It is essentially an MMO converted to single player.

    People shit on it, but it has more content than playing the original.

    Edit: I played some of the original and it does seem to be better. The gameplay feels more like Diablo in the original. It is watered down in the Korean version.
    I think they also reduced the texture resolution. The dialogue is also better. Has more of a flavor to it.

    This guy made a patch to play multiplayer on a server. I also applied the original single player patch. It did not say to, but it made sense to me.
    https://london2038.com/

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    At some point we're going to have to fulfill the promise of the thread title and discuss Gex.

  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
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    Just watched this episode less than two hours ago. Crazy.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    The Hellgate:London installer does something weird. It locks up when installing from disc, but it works when I use a disc image.
    I blame Windows10.

    I am reinstalling it because I think installing the single player patch caused a problem where my character was stuck as dead when he respawned.
    Either that or there is a bug in the London 2038 patch.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    At some point we're going to have to fulfill the promise of the thread title and discuss Gex.

    We don't need to discuss Gex when Gex can speak for himself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-17-qzIGslA
    (I made it 1 minute, 18 seconds before I had to turn it off.)

  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Gim wrote: »
    At some point we're going to have to fulfill the promise of the thread title and discuss Gex.

    We don't need to discuss Gex when Gex can speak for himself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-17-qzIGslA
    (I made it 1 minute, 18 seconds before I had to turn it off.)

    I made it 16 seconds, and I like Dana Gould quite a bit.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    The funny thing about Gex is that the references are so old. I doubt that any kid that played the games understood them. It is like 60s and 70s television references.

    I still think a Gex game making fun of the internet would be great.

    Krathoon on
  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    I'm sure it would all be stuff like "All Your Base" and "Charlie bit me" and other ancient web stuff.

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Pretty sure charlie but me was before the internet

    God that's old...

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  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Pretty sure charlie but me was before the internet

    God that's old...

    I never heard of this one so had to look it up. Says it came from a YouTube video if that is the correct one?

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    The Shadowgate sequel Kickstarter went live around three hours ago. It's already almost fully funded.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    At some point we're going to have to fulfill the promise of the thread title and discuss Gex.

    I did throw in a little something extra at the top of the OP so we'd be covered.

    But, in all honesty, I kinda wish the original Gex was available on a modern platform today. I only ever played it once on a demo unit in a Sears outlet, but it left a strange sense of nostalgia in me.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Man I'm curious about the 3DO. Never owned one and it felt like a future system not meant for my feeble non-AOL CEO kid wallet... it was like $300 back then? Something stupid.

    It had real video, iirc, which at the time was whoa. Same with those stupid giant laser disk systems.

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    The 3DO was $700 when the FZ-1 model launched in 1993. Later models were less, though, and by the end some of them were taking a huge loss on each unit when they were sold for $200.

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Sadly, I don't know if any of those rare console games were ever actually good.

    Like, does a gaming hall of fame have any 3do, Jaguar, etc game? Not enough people played them probably.


    Dragon's Lair and the others like it are popular but because of the arcade versions, I'd wager.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Also, $700 in 1993 (3do launch price) is almost $1,500 today.


    Guess they were the OG Alienware before it was cool

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Sadly, I don't know if any of those rare console games were ever actually good.

    Like, does a gaming hall of fame have any 3do, Jaguar, etc game? Not enough people played them probably.


    Dragon's Lair and the others like it are popular but because of the arcade versions, I'd wager.

    Jaguar, yes. Tempest 2000 was legendary; it got ports elsewhere but the Jag version was always considered the best. 3DO stuff got ports too; perhaps most famously, The Need For Speed (complete with definite article in the title, or Road & Track Presents: The Need For Speed to give it its full title) was originally a 3DO game before making its way to PC and PS1, and the rest is history.

    MMMig wrote: »
    Also, $700 in 1993 (3do launch price) is almost $1,500 today.


    Guess they were the OG Alienware before it was cool

    The Neo Geo may have been the earlier machine to lay claim to that title, launching three years earlier (and still at $649, per Wiki) and with games that cost hundreds each - because they were essentially arcade boards inside cartridges.

    As for 3DO price, Wiki reports the 3DO FZ-1 had an RRP of $699 but was mostly sold at $599.

  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    Also some real big fans of the 3DO version of Road Rash, a bit choppy compared to the later Playstation port but it still looked very nice at the time.

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Wow, 3DO came out a year before ps1, and ps1 just dominated the cd market?

    Ps1's price point basically doomed 3do.

    Jaguar CD released even a year later in 95... only 13 official games were made for it. Apparently it had proprietary cd format, too.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    The Phoenix emulator does 3DO and Jaguar. It is probably the best emulator for those consoles. The 3DO emulator in Retroarch has trouble running some games.

    Ever hear of a game called Wet? I think it was just on the 360.

    Krathoon on
  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    Didn't a new emulator just come out for the Jaguar that's supposed to be really good?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Wow, 3DO came out a year before ps1, and ps1 just dominated the cd market?

    Ps1's price point basically doomed 3do.

    Jaguar CD released even a year later in 95... only 13 official games were made for it. Apparently it had proprietary cd format, too.

    The 3DO must have been following Nintendo's strategy of selling hardware for what it really costs while Sony's strategy was to sell hardware at a loss to drive out competitors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClvEzZoYb1Y

  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Wow, 3DO came out a year before ps1, and ps1 just dominated the cd market?

    Ps1's price point basically doomed 3do.

    Jaguar CD released even a year later in 95... only 13 official games were made for it. Apparently it had proprietary cd format, too.

    The 3DO must have been following Nintendo's strategy of selling hardware for what it really costs while Sony's strategy was to sell hardware at a loss to drive out competitors.

    At-Cost? Like Nintendo, these guys were after profit on top. (Because it wasn't the 3DO company making them!)

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    They still have not emulated Jaguar CD.

    Edit: Hey, I was wrong. There is a new emulator with CD support.
    https://www.richwhitehouse.com/jaguar/index.php?content=download

    The emulator locked up on me in the menu. Hopefully, that is a rare bug. It works really well.
    There is a certain silliness to the emulator that I like.

    Krathoon on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    I don't totally get how to play Sewer Shark. It sounds like you have to turn in the tunnels, but I don't see how to do it.
    Read the manual.
    It turns out that you have to press the direction and the B button to turn. That is kind of annoying.

    Krathoon on
  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    I think Sewer Shark was the pack-in for our Sega CD 2. We played it a handful of times before ignoring it, its just not that interesting.

    Never got into the FMV craze because I would religiously read British mags and reviews dumped on pretty much all of them. Still that seemed to occupy almost all the hype around the system so we only ended up getting like three games (including Sonic CD and AH-3 Thunderstrike), which was a waste because there are definitely many more good ones out there, just didn't cross the radar.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Sewer Shark has that problem of where it is a shooting gallery on repetitive tunnels. I assume there are boss monsters in it or something.
    It is kind of a bleak atmosphere game. I suspect that the pilots don't really get their glorious prize. It kinda reminds me of the Running Man in a way.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    They still have not emulated Jaguar CD.

    Edit: Hey, I was wrong. There is a new emulator with CD support.
    https://www.richwhitehouse.com/jaguar/index.php?content=download

    The emulator locked up on me in the menu. Hopefully, that is a rare bug. It works really well.
    There is a certain silliness to the emulator that I like.

    I did notice that the FAQ for the emulator says the timing is not perfect. I don't know if that is a real issue. I notice it does not need the bios.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I ordered some neat MiSTer cases. They are clear plastic. I got a green one and a clear one. I had to import them.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    I found an old Commodore 64 when I was cleaning my Mom's house a little while back. No idea if it works but it still gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. What's the life span for these kinds of things anyways if they're sitting in a dark, dry closet or attic storage for decades? When does the rubber and plastic on consoles get brittle and batteries like the one inside the Zelda 2 cartridge begin leaking?

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I found an old Commodore 64 when I was cleaning my Mom's house a little while back. No idea if it works but it still gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. What's the life span for these kinds of things anyways if they're sitting in a dark, dry closet or attic storage for decades? When does the rubber and plastic on consoles get brittle and batteries like the one inside the Zelda 2 cartridge begin leaking?

    Biggest issue is likely to be the capacitors. Recapped 8-bit computers can go like champs still, even four decades down the line. If it's been in dark dry storage for much of that, chances are most of it is in good shape. But I'd investigate to see if it needs recapping before I'd try powering it on.

    The cassette deck and/or floppy disk add-ons may need their belts replacing too. The C64 still has a huge scene around it so finding guidance on this stuff should be a piece of cake.

    Nice find!

    Jazz on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    Also, the power supply can blow on the C64 and fry it. I have heard of that happening.

    I think I broke the Hu card slot on my Turbo Duo when I tried cleaning it. Something was wrong with it before I did that.
    I opened it and took a look. It seems too elaborate to mess with.

    I might as well get an Analogue Duo. I will just use the Mister for now.

    Krathoon on
  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    Definitely something worth avoiding! A new compatible PSU shouldn't be hard to track down though.

    Jazz on
  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Also, the power supply can blow on the C64 and fry it. I have heard of that happening.

    I think I broke the Hu card slot on my Turbo Duo when I tried cleaning it. Something was wrong with it before I did that.
    I opened it and took a look. It seems too elaborate to mess with.

    I might as well get an Analogue Duo. I will just use the Mister for now.

    Are the Analogues that cheap these days? I honestly have never looked for good old retro hardware anymore.

    Fake Edit: Ok, I somehow got TurboExpress mixed with Analogue Duo in my head. The TurboExpress is the only reason I'm tempted to preorder an Analogue Pocket and the adapters (except I don't want go through the hassle of contacting them to just pre-order both in the same order).

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    The Analogue Duo is supposed to be available to order later in the year. It will probably take forever to get one.

    Really the Turbo Duo is emulated so well that it really does not matter that much getting one.

    I finally found some Mister screws and board separators. They got them on Etsy.

    It turns out that the controller from the Turbo Mini works on the MiSTer. I think I need to set it to bring up the MiSTer menu.

    Krathoon on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    This guy on Reddit wants me to send him scans of the Critical Depth Strategy Guide.

    No. I am not going through the hassle of scanning it.

    For some reason, my controller is not working when I run arcade games on the Mister.

    Krathoon on
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