The original english dub script for the Eva TV series was the ADV one right? So if I watched it on DVD like two decades or so ago that was the version I watched?
I finished the rebuild series, I think my brain is a bit overloaded from having done this in a two day period because I’m not exactly sure how I feel about it all. Those last two movies definitely go for it that’s for sure.
Full Eva rebuild movies spoilers:
seriously what the fuck is Mari’s deal. Fuyutski called her Mari Iscariot, so is she a vampire? I gotta say the first time you see that picture of Yui and Gendo and there’s a mysterious new glasses wearing lady there made me go huh. I didn’t expect to actually be right. Also I was not expecting her to be the one Shinji ends up with either. There was a bit early on in 3+1 where Ritsuko said it’s been 16 years and that really threw me off, I couldn’t tell if they meant another 16 year time skip or if it’s been two years since the last movie(which seems improbable) in the end who knows. The way 3+1 incorporated both previous ends of evangelion I really liked. Which reminds me, more realistic giant Rei and realish(original?) Asuka creeped me out.
I will say one non-spoilery thing I didn’t like was the move to more digital control surfaces and the like. I know they’re both a product of their time but I really liked the big chunky analog buttons and displays and whatnot from the tv series.
I think the sixteen years are sixteen years since she’s been in paris.
So two years before rebuild starts, then the intervening fourteen years after N3I
Christ, where does one even start with this episode of Sonny Boy.
Okay, so there's a giant wolf who's another student, but from the future, who arrived in purgatory in the past, and being in purgatory for too long corrupts you because it's God's will. Also, their Principal was God.
So anyway, they find a world where everything is film that they can edit, and change reality, except that the cult group thinks that'll destroy the multiverse. So they make a fake film edit to hide the real edit, except that doesn't work either, because they're not the originals in the first place. And the real true world is one where the pixie girl died somehow, so all they end up doing is being ghosts in that world because they themselves were only possibilities now consigned to purgatory for being unchosen by god to be the true world. Or maybe they chose the wrong film to edit and they fucked up by editing the wrong reality, thus discarding themselves?
What.
I can't wait until dogboy meets sockhead and the umbrella fella. Hopefully the baseball monkeys will make another appearance as well. Maybe at cat Amazon or Fantasy Costco.
This bleach one-shot really requires you to remember how the hell bleach ended huh?
it's a straight-up sequel, yeah. picks up after the epilogue.
also I think I heard that it's going to be four chapters or something? Kubo seems to be doing a more short-form thing these days, with this and Burn the Witch.
Zeta Gundam is uh pretty sexist sometimes huh? But also like... the characters who act sexist towards the lady pilots aren't necessarily shown to be morally correct, but I don't know if this show is ever going to go out of its way to be more explicit about how being awful to the ladies is a bad thing that should stop.
the 80s gundams and the later gundam series that are trying to evoke the 80s gundams are weird about women in a way that stands out even compared to other 80s shows so it's not just The Times that makes them like that, I'm not sure I could put my finger on what exactly That is though
It's a weird mix of both. The Gundam shows definitely have characters who are shitty that are meant to be shitty but isn't textually spelled out or positioned as the obvious villains so sometimes those things are meant to be that way.
I think sometimes the writing thinks its managing to say something progessive about women, but it will be way way off in the end. There's actually kind of a lot of prominent women characters in powerful roles for the era and styles of shows, but it's VERY common for them to get dunked on suddenly or have some bad nature of the gender sexist take.
Finished Galactic Heroes and I hesitate to really call an anime in the traditional sense. It's a animated adaptation of a novel series, and as such it's quality really is on another level.
Christ, where does one even start with this episode of Sonny Boy.
Okay, so there's a giant wolf who's another student, but from the future, who arrived in purgatory in the past, and being in purgatory for too long corrupts you because it's God's will. Also, their Principal was God.
So anyway, they find a world where everything is film that they can edit, and change reality, except that the cult group thinks that'll destroy the multiverse. So they make a fake film edit to hide the real edit, except that doesn't work either, because they're not the originals in the first place. And the real true world is one where the pixie girl died somehow, so all they end up doing is being ghosts in that world because they themselves were only possibilities now consigned to purgatory for being unchosen by god to be the true world. Or maybe they chose the wrong film to edit and they fucked up by editing the wrong reality, thus discarding themselves?
What.
I can't wait until dogboy meets sockhead and the umbrella fella. Hopefully the baseball monkeys will make another appearance as well. Maybe at cat Amazon or Fantasy Costco.
Sonny Boy is very good y'all.
I don't know if I'd call it good, but it's certainly an experience every week. Definitely would be a better one with a main protagonist that wasn't such a pathetic sad sack of crap, or at least slightly more coherent and consistent rules that they weren't changing and needing to spend half of each episode or more re-explaining.
I kinda like the whole 'we thought X was happening but it was actually Y all along' thing that keeps happening. The mopey MC is definitely annoying though.
like Hathaway's Flash most recently is Weird About Women in the 80s gundam way, now that I think about it
Is it?
In terms of the base captain basically wanting to take ownership of Gigi? Or the way the story treats her being a kept woman for a rich guy? I got the impression that the base captain was villainous for doing so (Gigi seemed, correctly, to take his statements as a veiled threat if she didn't comply) and that we were still meant to think highly of her character despite that. Like, it seemed to be saying that marrying someone for money didn't make her a low person... it made her a person who needs resources to live in the hellscape that is this portion of Gundam continuity.
like Hathaway's Flash most recently is Weird About Women in the 80s gundam way, now that I think about it
Is it?
In terms of the base captain basically wanting to take ownership of Gigi? Or the way the story treats her being a kept woman for a rich guy? I got the impression that the base captain was villainous for doing so (Gigi seemed, correctly, to take his statements as a veiled threat if she didn't comply) and that we were still meant to think highly of her character despite that. Like, it seemed to be saying that marrying someone for money didn't make her a low person... it made her a person who needs resources to live in the hellscape that is this portion of Gundam continuity.
basically the part that reminded me of the 80s gundams is the character of Gigi is the mysterious woman who's flirty and weird with the protagonist archetype, and probably a newtype because of course she is, and the protagonist is sexually attracted to her but also going NO I MUSNT and OOH MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO COMPLICATED WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THEM no you're just writing weirdos why are either of them like this
at least it's not a subplot about women have woman feelings of wanting to retire from combat and have kids or whatever
like Hathaway's Flash most recently is Weird About Women in the 80s gundam way, now that I think about it
Is it?
In terms of the base captain basically wanting to take ownership of Gigi? Or the way the story treats her being a kept woman for a rich guy? I got the impression that the base captain was villainous for doing so (Gigi seemed, correctly, to take his statements as a veiled threat if she didn't comply) and that we were still meant to think highly of her character despite that. Like, it seemed to be saying that marrying someone for money didn't make her a low person... it made her a person who needs resources to live in the hellscape that is this portion of Gundam continuity.
basically the part that reminded me of the 80s gundams is the character of Gigi is the mysterious woman who's flirty and weird with the protagonist archetype, and probably a newtype because of course she is, and the protagonist is sexually attracted to her but also going NO I MUSNT and OOH MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO COMPLICATED WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THEM no you're just writing weirdos why are either of them like this
at least it's not a subplot about women have woman feelings of wanting to retire from combat and have kids or whatever
In the case of Hathaway
In this timeline (this movie is out of sync with Char's Counterattack the film because lol Gundam canon), he literally killed his past love interest in brutal combat. It would be wildly out of character for him to not have COMPLICATED feelings about falling in love again.
like Hathaway's Flash most recently is Weird About Women in the 80s gundam way, now that I think about it
Is it?
In terms of the base captain basically wanting to take ownership of Gigi? Or the way the story treats her being a kept woman for a rich guy? I got the impression that the base captain was villainous for doing so (Gigi seemed, correctly, to take his statements as a veiled threat if she didn't comply) and that we were still meant to think highly of her character despite that. Like, it seemed to be saying that marrying someone for money didn't make her a low person... it made her a person who needs resources to live in the hellscape that is this portion of Gundam continuity.
basically the part that reminded me of the 80s gundams is the character of Gigi is the mysterious woman who's flirty and weird with the protagonist archetype, and probably a newtype because of course she is, and the protagonist is sexually attracted to her but also going NO I MUSNT and OOH MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO COMPLICATED WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THEM no you're just writing weirdos why are either of them like this
at least it's not a subplot about women have woman feelings of wanting to retire from combat and have kids or whatever
In the case of Hathaway
In this timeline (this movie is out of sync with Char's Counterattack the film because lol Gundam canon), he literally killed his past love interest in brutal combat. It would be wildly out of character for him to not have COMPLICATED feelings about falling in love again.
I am just saying Gigi is a walking character trope from the old gundam series
I don't know how Hathaway's Flash goes at all but I'm fully expecting her to be piloting the enemy robot and fighting Hathaway at some point, and perhaps there will be some newtype flashes as they touch brains while touching laser swords and cry in horror as they mutually realize who they are fighting
like Hathaway's Flash most recently is Weird About Women in the 80s gundam way, now that I think about it
Is it?
In terms of the base captain basically wanting to take ownership of Gigi? Or the way the story treats her being a kept woman for a rich guy? I got the impression that the base captain was villainous for doing so (Gigi seemed, correctly, to take his statements as a veiled threat if she didn't comply) and that we were still meant to think highly of her character despite that. Like, it seemed to be saying that marrying someone for money didn't make her a low person... it made her a person who needs resources to live in the hellscape that is this portion of Gundam continuity.
basically the part that reminded me of the 80s gundams is the character of Gigi is the mysterious woman who's flirty and weird with the protagonist archetype, and probably a newtype because of course she is, and the protagonist is sexually attracted to her but also going NO I MUSNT and OOH MEN AND WOMEN RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO COMPLICATED WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THEM no you're just writing weirdos why are either of them like this
at least it's not a subplot about women have woman feelings of wanting to retire from combat and have kids or whatever
In the case of Hathaway
In this timeline (this movie is out of sync with Char's Counterattack the film because lol Gundam canon), he literally killed his past love interest in brutal combat. It would be wildly out of character for him to not have COMPLICATED feelings about falling in love again.
The movie is not out of sync with Char's Counterattack. The "official version" of events that people reference differs from what actually occurred, because do you really think even if Hathaway told Bright what happened he was going to file a report saying the truth?
I believe it really is actually not in canon with the movie version of CC, it's a sequel to the novel version of that story maybe?
The Hathaway novels were a sequel to the CCA novels, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Hathaway film is following the CCA novel instead of the film.
This would be like suggesting the Doctor Sleep movie is a film sequel to the novel The Shining because Doctor Sleep was originally a novel.
As an example, the politics, and philosophy are really really good, better than a lot movies and mini-series. It's really freaking hard to do that without coming across as either preachy, or too shallow to really address the topic at hand. And the main theme of, is it better to live in a corrupt democracy, or a "good" autocracy is done in such a way that completely avoids the problematic issues of say, Gundam. Both sides here are flawed, and they know and admit freely that they are flawed. That's one small part of the show that extends throughout the more standard benchmarks of character arcs, plot, etc.
After about the first 10 episodes the story was consistently engaging, and i really didn't know where it was going to end up. It also stuck the landing in a way Game of Thrones could only dream of.
I believe it really is actually not in canon with the movie version of CC, it's a sequel to the novel version of that story maybe?
The Hathaway novels were a sequel to the CCA novels, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Hathaway film is following the CCA novel instead of the film.
This would be like suggesting the Doctor Sleep movie is a film sequel to the novel The Shining because Doctor Sleep was originally a novel.
I've heard the opposite, but can't find a resource to explain things either way.
It's kind of important if Hathaway WATCHED Quess die and then friendly fired a fellow Federation person or if he killed Quess. The movie SEEMS to lean towards the latter, considering treating him as a war HERO only makes sense if he killed an enemy in combat. You could say it's a coverup of what he actually did, but that isn't really how the movie plays it at all.
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Finished Galactic Heroes and I hesitate to really call an anime in the traditional sense. It's a animated adaptation of a novel series, and as such it's quality really is on another level.
If you're gonna compare Legend of the Galactic Heroes, you compare it to every other show ever made... that wasn't adapted from Yoshiki Tanaka.
I believe it really is actually not in canon with the movie version of CC, it's a sequel to the novel version of that story maybe?
The Hathaway novels were a sequel to the CCA novels, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Hathaway film is following the CCA novel instead of the film.
This would be like suggesting the Doctor Sleep movie is a film sequel to the novel The Shining because Doctor Sleep was originally a novel.
I've heard the opposite, but can't find a resource to explain things either way.
It's kind of important if Hathaway WATCHED Quess die and then friendly fired a fellow Federation person or if he killed Quess. The movie SEEMS to lean towards the latter, considering treating him as a war HERO only makes sense if he killed an enemy in combat. You could say it's a coverup of what he actually did, but that isn't really how the movie plays it at all.
I got the impression all public accounts of what happened at that battle are definitely completely federation propaganda bullshit
I believe it really is actually not in canon with the movie version of CC, it's a sequel to the novel version of that story maybe?
The Hathaway novels were a sequel to the CCA novels, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Hathaway film is following the CCA novel instead of the film.
This would be like suggesting the Doctor Sleep movie is a film sequel to the novel The Shining because Doctor Sleep was originally a novel.
I've heard the opposite, but can't find a resource to explain things either way.
It's kind of important if Hathaway WATCHED Quess die and then friendly fired a fellow Federation person or if he killed Quess. The movie SEEMS to lean towards the latter, considering treating him as a war HERO only makes sense if he killed an enemy in combat. You could say it's a coverup of what he actually did, but that isn't really how the movie plays it at all.
I got the impression all public accounts of what happened at that battle are definitely completely federation propaganda bullshit
Gundam Hathaway
The obvious move if it's a sequel to CCA movie is to have Hathaway's rivals discover the true account of the battle and use it against him (aka, he's been a Zeon traitor from the beginning!) If that never happens... I dunno about this.
I believe it really is actually not in canon with the movie version of CC, it's a sequel to the novel version of that story maybe?
The Hathaway novels were a sequel to the CCA novels, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Hathaway film is following the CCA novel instead of the film.
This would be like suggesting the Doctor Sleep movie is a film sequel to the novel The Shining because Doctor Sleep was originally a novel.
I've heard the opposite, but can't find a resource to explain things either way.
It's kind of important if Hathaway WATCHED Quess die and then friendly fired a fellow Federation person or if he killed Quess. The movie SEEMS to lean towards the latter, considering treating him as a war HERO only makes sense if he killed an enemy in combat. You could say it's a coverup of what he actually did, but that isn't really how the movie plays it at all.
I got the impression all public accounts of what happened at that battle are definitely completely federation propaganda bullshit
Gundam Hathaway
The obvious move if it's a sequel to CCA movie is to have Hathaway's rivals discover the true account of the battle and use it against him (aka, he's been a Zeon traitor from the beginning!) If that never happens... I dunno about this.
They don't have to find out "the truth" about what happened during CCA. His current actions as the leader of Mafty is enough to condemn him to death as a terrorist and a traitor.
So far, Hathaway's Flash seem like a straight adaption of the novels which are a direct sequel to the novel Beltorchika's Children, which as said above has a fairly different version of events for Hathaway specifically.
After rewatching Char's Counterattack a short time ago, I now don't think there's any major differences in the movie vs novel that can cause Hathaway to be out of sync... he does shoot down a Jagd Doga within like 10 seconds of stealing the Jegan during the last battle. I had totally forgotten that part, and thought the only mobile suit he shot down was the one in contention (see spoiler).
The only spoiler that might make a difference (spoilers for Hathway, CCA Novel/Movie)
Other than the change where he's the one that kills Quess in the novel, not Chan. Maybe it works better with that change in Hathaway actually, but they haven't dragged the ghost of Quess up too far yet so we'll see in future installments.
Obviously Hathaway can be sad about Quess' death whether he caused it or simply didn't prevent it, I just hope they CLEARLY establish which was the case, so we understand his precise feelings on the topic.
Obviously Hathaway can be sad about Quess' death whether he caused it or simply didn't prevent it, I just hope they CLEARLY establish which was the case, so we understand his precise feelings on the topic.
Sure, Quess' death was part of Hathaway's path to radicalization, but he didn't start Mafty just because the girl he had a crush on died in front of him. There's a lot of people who think that Quess' death is his sole motivation, and I hope that the subsequent films make it clearer that Hathway has fully-formed ideological beliefs and that his opposition to the Federation stems from disgust over the Federation's crimes against humanity.
Obviously Hathaway can be sad about Quess' death whether he caused it or simply didn't prevent it, I just hope they CLEARLY establish which was the case, so we understand his precise feelings on the topic.
Sure, Quess' death was part of Hathaway's path to radicalization, but he didn't start Mafty just because the girl he had a crush on died in front of him. There's a lot of people who think that Quess' death is his sole motivation, and I hope that the subsequent films make it clearer that Hathway has fully-formed ideological beliefs and that his opposition to the Federation stems from disgust over the Federation's crimes against humanity.
The reason people think this is that Hathaway is a rather detestable child the last time we saw him. He certainly comes off as more mature in the Hathaway movie, but we do need more of what he's about to completely get there.
Obviously Hathaway can be sad about Quess' death whether he caused it or simply didn't prevent it, I just hope they CLEARLY establish which was the case, so we understand his precise feelings on the topic.
Sure, Quess' death was part of Hathaway's path to radicalization, but he didn't start Mafty just because the girl he had a crush on died in front of him. There's a lot of people who think that Quess' death is his sole motivation, and I hope that the subsequent films make it clearer that Hathway has fully-formed ideological beliefs and that his opposition to the Federation stems from disgust over the Federation's crimes against humanity.
Finished Galactic Heroes and I hesitate to really call an anime in the traditional sense. It's a animated adaptation of a novel series, and as such it's quality really is on another level.
If you're gonna compare Legend of the Galactic Heroes, you compare it to every other show ever made... that wasn't adapted from Yoshiki Tanaka.
@Zonugal you should watch The Heroic Legend of Arslan
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god damn you, Anno, you did it
So two years before rebuild starts, then the intervening fourteen years after N3I
I can't wait until dogboy meets sockhead and the umbrella fella. Hopefully the baseball monkeys will make another appearance as well. Maybe at cat Amazon or Fantasy Costco.
Sonny Boy is very good y'all.
it's a straight-up sequel, yeah. picks up after the epilogue.
also I think I heard that it's going to be four chapters or something? Kubo seems to be doing a more short-form thing these days, with this and Burn the Witch.
I think sometimes the writing thinks its managing to say something progessive about women, but it will be way way off in the end. There's actually kind of a lot of prominent women characters in powerful roles for the era and styles of shows, but it's VERY common for them to get dunked on suddenly or have some bad nature of the gender sexist take.
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I don't know if I'd call it good, but it's certainly an experience every week. Definitely would be a better one with a main protagonist that wasn't such a pathetic sad sack of crap, or at least slightly more coherent and consistent rules that they weren't changing and needing to spend half of each episode or more re-explaining.
Is it?
no you're just writing weirdos why are either of them like this
at least it's not a subplot about women have woman feelings of wanting to retire from combat and have kids or whatever
In the case of Hathaway
I don't know how Hathaway's Flash goes at all but I'm fully expecting her to be piloting the enemy robot and fighting Hathaway at some point, and perhaps there will be some newtype flashes as they touch brains while touching laser swords and cry in horror as they mutually realize who they are fighting
The movie is not out of sync with Char's Counterattack. The "official version" of events that people reference differs from what actually occurred, because do you really think even if Hathaway told Bright what happened he was going to file a report saying the truth?
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The Hathaway novels were a sequel to the CCA novels, but there is absolutely no reason to assume that the Hathaway film is following the CCA novel instead of the film.
This would be like suggesting the Doctor Sleep movie is a film sequel to the novel The Shining because Doctor Sleep was originally a novel.
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As an example, the politics, and philosophy are really really good, better than a lot movies and mini-series. It's really freaking hard to do that without coming across as either preachy, or too shallow to really address the topic at hand. And the main theme of, is it better to live in a corrupt democracy, or a "good" autocracy is done in such a way that completely avoids the problematic issues of say, Gundam. Both sides here are flawed, and they know and admit freely that they are flawed. That's one small part of the show that extends throughout the more standard benchmarks of character arcs, plot, etc.
After about the first 10 episodes the story was consistently engaging, and i really didn't know where it was going to end up. It also stuck the landing in a way Game of Thrones could only dream of.
I've heard the opposite, but can't find a resource to explain things either way.
If you're gonna compare Legend of the Galactic Heroes, you compare it to every other show ever made... that wasn't adapted from Yoshiki Tanaka.
Gundam Hathaway
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The main differences look to be detailed here
The only spoiler that might make a difference (spoilers for Hathway, CCA Novel/Movie)
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The reason people think this is that Hathaway is a rather detestable child the last time we saw him. He certainly comes off as more mature in the Hathaway movie, but we do need more of what he's about to completely get there.
Disbanding the AEUG was a mistake.
@Zonugal you should watch The Heroic Legend of Arslan