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Why Is There No Wii Fit Thread?

EvanderEvander Disappointed FatherRegistered User regular
edited July 2007 in Games and Technology
I mean, if there is link me to it, but if not, well then, this is it.

If some one else wants to type up a decent OP with pictures and details and all, I will edit it in here (and give credit where it is due, of course) but I am incredibly lazy, and also I have more questions than answers right now.



My biggest question is the weight capacity of the Balance Board (or "Barance Boardo", if your prefer.) I am no small person, and ontop of my massive frame, I am ALSO overweight by a bit. With the right clothes on, I could see myself hitting as high as 350, potentially. And that is standing still; when I'm in motion that turns into 350 pounds PLUS whatever force I'm exerting towards the board (which will be alot. You HAVE to have a decent ammount of muscle mass in order to support this kind of a frame.) I know that Reggie didn't seem to have any problems with it at the conference, and he is not small man, but with my past debacles in trying to get a bathroom scale (everything on the market at any reasonable price only goes to 300) I am still worried.

Also, with size 15 feet, the concern also arises about just how much standing room there is on there. It order to balance, one needs space to do it in.



Overall, though, if I can actually use the balance board, I find the game to be exciting. The ability to manage your progress through an aerobic workout routine is great, and the readouts thatthe game can give you, such as posture issues, BMI, etc., seem to be pretty revolutionary to me, both for a video game, and for a piece of workout equipment. It is everything that Yourself Fitness wanted to be, and more.



So, let's discuss!

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    bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think the balance board is a brilliant idea, and I think this game is going to sell millions of copies.

    I'm probably not going to buy it though.

    Edit - Also,

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Mainly because it's in the E307 news and is probably in the sub-forum of death. Yoga ftw though, although in all honesty, I'll stick with google to get me all the info i need.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm definitely gonna buy this. I'm trying to become a more physically active person, I just recently started using my job's gym and I love to concept of mixing physical activities with multimedia entertainement.

    I have to ask, did they mention a release date for this, or at least a release window? I don't recall anything being mentioned about this in the press conference.

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    bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fireflash wrote: »
    I'm definitely gonna buy this. I'm trying to become a more physically active person, I just recently started using my job's gym and I love to concept of mixing physical activities with multimedia entertainement.

    I have to ask, did they mention a release date for this, or at least a release window? I don't recall anything being mentioned about this in the press conference.

    All they said was this year in Japan, next year elsewhere.

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    I think the lack of thread is due to the lack of anything to talk about. Aside from hot women in yoga clothes. I mean, thats always interesting.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I know it's E3 olol, but the game might be a pretty big deal, when you think about it, and deserves a thread on its own merit.



    THis stands to open the field for gaming even wider. Let's say it comes out at $100 (I have no idea what the actual price point is, or even if it was announced.) $350 for a piece of workout equipment that can measyre your posture and BMI, can walk you through various aerobic routines, compartively measures the progress of multiple users, and also has a few built in games, for whenyou get bored. That seems like it would appeal to a whole new audience.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I know it's E3 olol, but the game might be a pretty big deal, when you think about it, and deserves a thread on its own merit.
    It will be a big deal. I cannot see this selling less than a million.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, but it's a new audience of people that wouldn't ever care about RE5 etc.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    I think the lack of thread is due to the lack of anything to talk about. Aside from hot women in yoga clothes. I mean, thats always interesting.

    A lack of anything to talk about is no excuse. This is the internet, afterall.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    I think the lack of thread is due to the lack of anything to talk about. Aside from hot women in yoga clothes. I mean, thats always interesting.

    Yeah, especially the last of the 3 trainers that demoed the game. Helloooooo Josephine!

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    I think the lack of thread is due to the lack of anything to talk about. Aside from hot women in yoga clothes. I mean, thats always interesting.

    A lack of anything to talk about is no excuse. This is the internet, afterall.

    Touche.

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Anyone want to take a stab at the price point? I'm thinking the balance board is a little too much for Nintendo to do their usual technique of packaging a new peripheral for free with a $50 game.

    I'm going to guess more than 50, and less than 100.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'll take a guess and say that it'll have a pricing similar to a GH + guitar bundle.

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    Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's new because of its huge tie in appeal. Plus if you wanted to you could get some pretty exciting game applications. With this you could easily do the first good home port of Police 911 or whatever the hell that game was. Snowboarding and skateboarding would be unparalled, and it would also help with some of the problems making a really good sword fighting sim.

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    NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    I think the balance board is a brilliant idea, and I think this game is going to sell millions of copies.

    I'm probably not going to buy it though.

    Edit - Also,

    dsc_1042.jpg

    That picture is funny simply for the "OVERWEIGHT" tag. I'm sure that particular label will be used quite a bit when this hits the states. (I'm sure there will be a lot of pissed off WiiFit users, as well.)

    EDIT: Also, while I like the concept of the balance board as a skate/snowboard, gas/brake pedals or any of several other concepts mentioned already, its just very unlikely to happen. As a non-standard peripheral, it would have to be relegated to a tack-on alternative control method. This could change if they sell a Wii package that includes the board, but that's not too likely.

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    bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's not a new idea to have a fitness game, but the interface is totally different, and the Wii ____ and Touch Generations tags will make it have much more of an impact on the market. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Yourself Fitness doesn't actually measure how much you're fitness has improved like Wii Fit does.

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think it's a great idea. It's the perfect thing for those days I can't get to the gym, but don't want to feel like a total slob. I know I'm buying it.

    Depending on the boards complexity I can see it around $60. I mean... the game itself doesn't look like the production costs were all that high...

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    life3life3 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    This sounds like a good deal to me. I haven't seen the videos of it in action, but I've long time been a fan of games on your feet.

    Track and Field with the Power Pad
    Dance Dance
    That skateboarding arcade game, with it's skiing counterpart.

    I can't imagine they wouldn't make this thing tough as a rock. They've already got plenty of grown adults playing the Wii and we are heavy beings!

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The only "problem" I see here is that I feel I'm eventually gonna end up with way to many damn peripherals in my home. I've got a 360 GH controller, a gamecube controller to play games on my Wii, I'm also considering getting the 360 steering wheel when I get some spare money, and now that balance board. And I'm sure more peripherals will be created.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's not a new idea to have a fitness game, but the interface is totally different, and the Wii ____ and Touch Generations tags will make it have much more of an impact on the market. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Yourself Fitness doesn't actually measure how much you're fitness has improved like Wii Fit does.


    Actually it does.
    By keeping track of your performance during each workout, Maya is able to create a record of your progress toward your goals. At the end of each workout Maya will review your achievements with you and show you a graph of where you started, where you are today and where you are going.

    Either way, measuring improvements isn't exactly hard. Of course it'll be the presentation, ease of use, location, family activity etc that makes WiiFit sell, rather than the crappy board, plan, BMI measuring jank etc

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    Like I said above, the idea of a game that leads you through a workout routine isn't all that new, and even a game that tries to monitor it has been done before, technically (see also Eyetoy Kinetics). Thisis the first time that the monitoring system isn't just looking to see if you are doing the exercizes, or acting only as an interface, but it is actually keeping track of your progress, etc.

    I don't know about other people, but one of the reasons that I tend not to keep up exercize routines is the lack of immediate results. The motivation just goes away, eventually, before the results start showing up. With this, though, you'll be able to monitor how you're doing, and catch those results as soon as they happen.



    Also, as far as the board being all that neat, I can't say I've ever seen another piece of exercize equipment that monitored you this indepth before. I think that MAYBE I've seen scales that did BMI, but giving you output on your posture, and leading you through aerobic exercizes, I can't say I'ver seen a scale that did that before.



    Actually, one of thingsI've been wondering is if it gives you a viewable weight readout at all. It would be odd to leave that out, but a couple of things they said at E3 made it unclear whether that was disabled on the showroom displays (for privacy purposes) or if it was unavailable in the software at all.

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    AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    This is great, because my girlfriend is both a gamer and a budding fitness nut. Maybe this will get me to work out with her.

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    bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Rook wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's not a new idea to have a fitness game, but the interface is totally different, and the Wii ____ and Touch Generations tags will make it have much more of an impact on the market. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Yourself Fitness doesn't actually measure how much you're fitness has improved like Wii Fit does.


    Actually it does.
    By keeping track of your performance during each workout, Maya is able to create a record of your progress toward your goals. At the end of each workout Maya will review your achievements with you and show you a graph of where you started, where you are today and where you are going.

    Either way, measuring improvements isn't exactly hard. Of course it'll be the presentation, ease of use, location, family activity etc that makes WiiFit sell, rather than the crappy board, plan, BMI measuring jank etc

    Does the game itself actually measure it, or do you have to tell it weight, etc? I remember seeing it at stores and it was only a disc. I think there's definitely a difference unless I'm just wrong.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think it might just be an option to disable the weight display. The game obviously knows your weight, I don't see why they wouldn't give you the option to see it, if you wish so.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    I think the balance board is a brilliant idea, and I think this game is going to sell millions of copies.

    I'm probably not going to buy it though.

    Edit - Also,

    dsc_1042.jpg

    That picture is funny simply for the "OVERWEIGHT" tag. I'm sure that particular label will be used quite a bit when this hits the states. (I'm sure there will be a lot of pissed off WiiFit users, as well.)

    EDIT: Also, while I like the concept of the balance board as a skate/snowboard, gas/brake pedals or any of several other concepts mentioned already, its just very unlikely to happen. As a non-standard peripheral, it would have to be relegated to a tack-on alternative control method. This could change if they sell a Wii package that includes the board, but that's not too likely.

    Actually, I remember hearing that with the US release of Brain Age they lower the requirements for higher scores, so as not to offend folks, and I am almost worried that they would find a way to do that here, as well. Even thouh BMI is kind of a set standard, maybe they would do it in some other way. I dunno.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Reggie's BMI is higher than it should be because they chose light clothing for him. And he might have a valid point about muscle weight too.

    This'll probably be like Wii Play in that you'll be paying primarily for the board while the game itself is cheap. I doubt it'll be more than $80. I think this is really an incredible idea for the casual crowd; I don't doubt that it'll sell millions, and it'll probably be a great system seller too since it allows them to market it in a completely different way. This is the Wii's Brain Age.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    I think the balance board is a brilliant idea, and I think this game is going to sell millions of copies.

    I'm probably not going to buy it though.

    Edit - Also,

    dsc_1042.jpg

    That picture is funny simply for the "OVERWEIGHT" tag. I'm sure that particular label will be used quite a bit when this hits the states. (I'm sure there will be a lot of pissed off WiiFit users, as well.)

    EDIT: Also, while I like the concept of the balance board as a skate/snowboard, gas/brake pedals or any of several other concepts mentioned already, its just very unlikely to happen. As a non-standard peripheral, it would have to be relegated to a tack-on alternative control method. This could change if they sell a Wii package that includes the board, but that's not too likely.

    Actually, I remember hearing that with the US release of Brain Age they lower the requirements for higher scores, so as not to offend folks, and I am almost worried that they would find a way to do that here, as well. Even thouh BMI is kind of a set standard, maybe they would do it in some other way. I dunno.

    Huh? I find it more offending that they would lower the difficulty to acheive high score. " Gaijins are stupid olol"

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Also, while I like the concept of the balance board as a skate/snowboard, gas/brake pedals or any of several other concepts mentioned already, its just very unlikely to happen. As a non-standard peripheral, it would have to be relegated to a tack-on alternative control method. This could change if they sell a Wii package that includes the board, but that's not too likely.

    I don't think it would be THAT dificult. You might have a set up, like in many racing games that allow for steering wheels OR controllers, the option to use buttons for gas and brake, or to use the board, if you have it (but where is the clutch?) And, as far as other types of games, if the board REALLY catches on, I could see third parties releasing, from time to time, games that are specially targetted at board owners. They might not be as indepth as other games with wider consumer bases, but they'll be more immersive. Kind of like the games out there that require you to already own a light gun, or a DDR pad, etc.

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    KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    Rook wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's not a new idea to have a fitness game, but the interface is totally different, and the Wii ____ and Touch Generations tags will make it have much more of an impact on the market. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Yourself Fitness doesn't actually measure how much you're fitness has improved like Wii Fit does.


    Actually it does.
    By keeping track of your performance during each workout, Maya is able to create a record of your progress toward your goals. At the end of each workout Maya will review your achievements with you and show you a graph of where you started, where you are today and where you are going.

    Either way, measuring improvements isn't exactly hard. Of course it'll be the presentation, ease of use, location, family activity etc that makes WiiFit sell, rather than the crappy board, plan, BMI measuring jank etc

    Does the game itself actually measure it, or do you have to tell it weight, etc? I remember seeing it at stores and it was only a disc. I think there's definitely a difference unless I'm just wrong.


    Yeah, it looks like it doesn't actually monitor you at all... it just assumes that you'll be doing everything right. That's the good thing about Wiifit. If you're doing something wrong, it'll tell you, and you can't lie to yourself.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Zek wrote: »
    Reggie's BMI is higher than it should be because they chose light clothing for him. And he might have a valid point about muscle weight too.

    This'll probably be like Wii Play in that you'll be paying primarily for the board while the game itself is cheap. I doubt it'll be more than $80. I think this is really an incredible idea for the casual crowd; I don't doubt that it'll sell millions, and it'll probably be a great system seller too since it allows them to market it in a completely different way. This is the Wii's Brain Age.

    The whole thing honestly looked staged to me. The "banter" seemed a little too much like it was scripted, and. Especially when Miyamoto says "Good Excuse" in english, and then everyone pauses for the laugh.

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    NickleNickle Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    I think the balance board is a brilliant idea, and I think this game is going to sell millions of copies.

    I'm probably not going to buy it though.

    Edit - Also,

    dsc_1042.jpg

    That picture is funny simply for the "OVERWEIGHT" tag. I'm sure that particular label will be used quite a bit when this hits the states. (I'm sure there will be a lot of pissed off WiiFit users, as well.)

    EDIT: Also, while I like the concept of the balance board as a skate/snowboard, gas/brake pedals or any of several other concepts mentioned already, its just very unlikely to happen. As a non-standard peripheral, it would have to be relegated to a tack-on alternative control method. This could change if they sell a Wii package that includes the board, but that's not too likely.

    Actually, I remember hearing that with the US release of Brain Age they lower the requirements for higher scores, so as not to offend folks, and I am almost worried that they would find a way to do that here, as well. Even thouh BMI is kind of a set standard, maybe they would do it in some other way. I dunno.

    Huh? I find it more offending that they would lower the difficulty to acheive high score. " Gaijins are stupid olol"

    Is that true? Cause that completely sucks, and explains why I got bored with the game so quickly. (20 the second day). At least Big Brain Academy seems well adjusted, I've still got a couple hundred points to work for, there.

    I'm jazzed for Wii Fit, though, because I am growing a beer gut. :(

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    bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wii bundle that comes with a Wii, remote, balance board, and Wii Fit. Wii Fitness bundle or whatever. For the price of the Wii plus the game minues $20 or whatever ($300?). Seriously, they could sell it in infomercials and on home shopping networks and kiosks in malls.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Khavall wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Rook wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's not a new idea to have a fitness game, but the interface is totally different, and the Wii ____ and Touch Generations tags will make it have much more of an impact on the market. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Yourself Fitness doesn't actually measure how much you're fitness has improved like Wii Fit does.


    Actually it does.
    By keeping track of your performance during each workout, Maya is able to create a record of your progress toward your goals. At the end of each workout Maya will review your achievements with you and show you a graph of where you started, where you are today and where you are going.

    Either way, measuring improvements isn't exactly hard. Of course it'll be the presentation, ease of use, location, family activity etc that makes WiiFit sell, rather than the crappy board, plan, BMI measuring jank etc

    Does the game itself actually measure it, or do you have to tell it weight, etc? I remember seeing it at stores and it was only a disc. I think there's definitely a difference unless I'm just wrong.


    Yeah, it looks like it doesn't actually monitor you at all... it just assumes that you'll be doing everything right. That's the good thing about Wiifit. If you're doing something wrong, it'll tell you, and you can't lie to yourself.

    Well, you can combine it with heart-rate monitor, stability ball, scales etc. They're not exactly uber expensive pieces of equipment. Although you're right, like I said Wii-Fit will work is because it'll just work, rather than having to sort shit out for yourself.

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    LemmingLemming Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I dunno, it could be a good thing not to have weight there. Making people worry more about having a healthy body weight rather than be x pounds could be more motivational.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Khavall wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Rook wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    Is the balance board really all that neat anyway? And its not like this is totally new...

    http://www.yourselffitness.com/

    It's not a new idea to have a fitness game, but the interface is totally different, and the Wii ____ and Touch Generations tags will make it have much more of an impact on the market. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Yourself Fitness doesn't actually measure how much you're fitness has improved like Wii Fit does.


    Actually it does.
    By keeping track of your performance during each workout, Maya is able to create a record of your progress toward your goals. At the end of each workout Maya will review your achievements with you and show you a graph of where you started, where you are today and where you are going.

    Either way, measuring improvements isn't exactly hard. Of course it'll be the presentation, ease of use, location, family activity etc that makes WiiFit sell, rather than the crappy board, plan, BMI measuring jank etc

    Does the game itself actually measure it, or do you have to tell it weight, etc? I remember seeing it at stores and it was only a disc. I think there's definitely a difference unless I'm just wrong.


    Yeah, it looks like it doesn't actually monitor you at all... it just assumes that you'll be doing everything right. That's the good thing about Wiifit. If you're doing something wrong, it'll tell you, and you can't lie to yourself.

    Exactly.

    Yourself fitness initially designs a workout program for you that includes changes in the content over time, but that's it. After that point, it is basically an aerobics video. You can go in and edit the workout program, I believe, so it's not ENTIRELY static, but it doesn't do anything to monitor your progress, or even if you are exercizing at all. You could be sitting on the couch jerking off to it's computer generated trainer, for all it knows.

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    Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I really love the idea of becoming exhausted playing this game. To the point where you get game over or something because you just run out of steam.

    Kind of like playing the old Konami Track and Field games without a turbo controller. There's no way I could keep up the massive insane button pounding for the complete length of that damn pool.

    Also, I want a Skitchin' sequel that uses this board.

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    NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wii bundle that comes with a Wii, remote, balance board, and Wii Fit. Wii Fitness bundle or whatever. For the price of the Wii plus the game minues $20 or whatever ($300?). Seriously, they could sell it in infomercials and on home shopping networks and kiosks in malls.

    That's not a bad idea, actually. They'd have to start selling Wii Sports to make it available to those who bought that particular package, but that's not a big deal. One day maybe we'll see a Wii mega-package with the balance board, zapper shell, classic controller, 2 remotes/nunchucks and a copy of WiiFit/Sports/Play/Shoot. They had a pretty comprehensive package back in the days of the NES with controller, zapper, ROB and games, didn't they?

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    AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wii bundle that comes with a Wii, remote, balance board, and Wii Fit. Wii Fitness bundle or whatever. For the price of the Wii plus the game minues $20 or whatever ($300?). Seriously, they could sell it in infomercials and on home shopping networks and kiosks in malls.

    Throw Wii Sports in there and you've got a deal.

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    edited July 2007
    I'm buying this primarily for the board, since it'll probably be used awesomely down the road. I'll still use the game, though.

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