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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Well, they are a hassle. You need to understand that. While you will love your child and it is an unfathomable joy, it's naive to think you're never going to feel hassled by raising them. The "parent" vocation is a very time- and energy-consuming one and will burden you heavily. Might as well get used to it.

    If you're doing it for another reason, well fine or whatever, but "because it's a hassle to rub medicine on my son's penis" is an invalid reason in my opinion. You're going to be "hassled" with a lot more, and it's best you prepare for that ahead of time.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.
    Dude, you realize your entire fucking argument pretty much paints you as squeamish about penises? I would also recommend not being anywhere near the birth because oh man are you going to be in for a mind fuck.

    Thankfully you're going to grow the fuck up sometime between now and having children but for the love of god stop posting.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    recurs|on wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    I take it you don't know that you will be applying medicine, Vaseline, and gauze several times a day after the circumcision?

    thats why you have nurses.
    I'm pretty sure you won't be allowed to take one of them home with you from the hospital. They're probably going to tell you to do it yourself.

    No you hire a trained nurse/nanny. My mother did. She stayed with us until I was 1 and any infections were reported to the doctor through her.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    recurs|on wrote: »
    recurs|on wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?
    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.
    I take it you don't know that you will be applying medicine, Vaseline, and gauze several times a day after the circumcision?
    thats why you have nurses.
    Ha ha, yeah. Where do you live that your baby will be hospitalized for several days at 8 days of age?

    Nurses. Hee.
    Well, they have to keep the kid somewhere while the social worker looks for a family that the government can, in good conscience, allow to care for the child.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    God this debate just becomes more and more depressing.

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    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Well, they are a hassle. You need to understand that. While you will love your child and it is an unfathomable joy, it's naive to think you're never going to feel hassled by raising them. The "parent" vocation is a very time- and energy-consuming one and will burden you heavily. Might as well get used to it.

    If you're doing it for another reason, well fine or whatever, but "because it's a hassle to rub medicine on my son's penis" is an invalid reason in my opinion. You're going to be "hassled" with a lot more, and it's best you prepare for that ahead of time.

    Yeah, exactly. You will get peed on, pooped on, and vomited on. You will get half-chewed food on you, and infant formula which never fucking comes out in the wash. They will get dirt and crayon all over your stuff, they will spill their juice on your rug, and they will jump on your furniture. You will likely have to apply medicine to skinned knees and elbows, and the chances are pretty good that you will have to comb through their hair for lice at some point.

    If you have any kind of problem touching your baby boy's penis for medical reasons, you should strongly consider that you might not be ready to be a parent.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.
    What does the Torah have to say about tentacle porn?

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.

    What's funny is I know how people would yell at you for these statements, but they're actually a pretty decent message of "don't be a fuckwit about parenting".

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.

    Meh. I had no choice on many things (namely birthday presents and such. *shakes fist*) and I grew up got a job and am soon moving out. It hardly is the hell you desribed. I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.
    What does the Torah have to say about tentacle porn?
    So long as they're not dancing, it's cool.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    What if the mother isn't Jewish?

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.
    What does the Torah have to say about tentacle porn?
    So long as they're not dancing, it's cool.

    Bahahahahaha god, that's hilarious.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.
    What does the Torah have to say about tentacle porn?

    You'll be suprised. It says "Hush, Pay god under the table and he'll supply you with tentacles your whole life."

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.
    Dude, you've got issues.
    You're already an outcast.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.

    Meh. I had no choice on many things (namely birthday presents and such. *shakes fist*) and I grew up got a job and am soon moving out. It hardly is the hell you desribed. I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.

    We all lived through bullshit growing up. I'm just baffled by your overpowering desire for revenge by inflicting it again on a previously uninvolved 3rd party.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Shoggoth wrote: »
    God this debate just becomes more and more depressing.

    I should probably point out that circumcised or not, I think penises are pretty great.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh. I had no choice on many things (namely birthday presents and such. *shakes fist*) and I grew up got a job and am soon moving out. It hardly is the hell you desribed. I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.

    It's nice to know that your family loves you so much that they would disown you for not cutting off a piece of baby penis.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    What if the mother isn't Jewish?

    Yeah right. And the fairies and elves will come up and shower the world with love and joy.

    I eventually will marry a Jewish girl. Like I said before, I value not getting kicked out and losing the love of my grandparents or my parents.

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    alright, so the stupid surgery part of my post aside, does anybody wanna address the study saying circumsized men are 2/3rds less likely to get AIDS?

    or does anybody wanna cite how often circumcision is messed up?
    If you want to fight AIDS, there are better ways to do it than circumcising men. Like, for instance, giving them condoms. I find it hilarious that the same group of people who are uncomfortable telling a man to put on a condom have no problem telling them to cut off part of their penis.

    okay, that's not the point i was making. obviously circumcision alone shouldn't be a defense against AIDS. that's stupid. but a lot of people in this thread have been acting like there's no benefits to circumcision, but well... there are.
    So it may or may not help reduce the chance of acquiring HIV. I hate the ambigouity of science.

    what are you talking about? nothing about that study has been disputed, except by one guy who would be in a position to naturally be against it. the AMA statement came out waaaayyy before the study. there isn't any real dispute here: circumcision helps prevent HIV/AIDS. i'm not saying that's a sole reason to get a circumcision, but it's a point in its' corner

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    Anonymous RobotAnonymous Robot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.


    Isn't a child forced to the tenants of its culture in many more aspects?

    Manner of dress, manner of speech, holidays observed, cosmetic changes such as piercings etc. are all heavily influenced by the atmosphere in which you are raised in.

    Most people, I think it is safe to say, adhere to the same religion that their parents adhere to. (I don't think this is very wise, but that's a different argument.)

    Parents will bring their children up into the culture and traditions that they believe in. That's just parenting and socialization, and by comparison this doesn't seem quite so terrible. This isn't extensive mutiltation, it's an extremely basic surgical procedure that doesn't damage the recipient in any way beyond initial pain.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Meh. I had no choice on many things (namely birthday presents and such. *shakes fist*) and I grew up got a job and am soon moving out. It hardly is the hell you desribed. I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.

    It's nice to know that your family loves you so much that they would disown you for not cutting off a piece of baby penis.
    It's an offering to God. You just don't say no!

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    and still no one has posted anything about how often circumcision is botched. i'm sure it happens, but cite something, geez.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    What if the mother isn't Jewish?

    Yeah right. And the fairies and elves will come up and shower the world with love and joy.

    I eventually will marry a Jewish girl. Like I said before, I value not getting kicked out and losing the love of my grandparents or my parents.
    It must suck to have such a horrible family. I feel kinda bad for you, actually.

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    What if the mother isn't Jewish?

    Yeah right. And the fairies and elves will come up and shower the world with love and joy.

    I eventually will marry a Jewish girl. Like I said before, I value not getting kicked out and losing the love of my grandparents or my parents.

    That sort of implies you're only doing it to appease your family, you are into the religion outside that right?

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Meh. I had no choice on many things (namely birthday presents and such. *shakes fist*) and I grew up got a job and am soon moving out. It hardly is the hell you desribed. I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.

    It's nice to know that your family loves you so much that they would disown you for not cutting off a piece of baby penis.

    Why thank you.

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2007
    I'm cool with the fact that I was circumcised, but any kids I have will not be circumcised. At least not while they're still kids.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.

    Meh. I had no choice on many things (namely birthday presents and such. *shakes fist*) and I grew up got a job and am soon moving out. It hardly is the hell you desribed. I rather keep the happy family and love and joy than be an outcast.

    We all lived through bullshit growing up. I'm just baffled by your overpowering desire for revenge by inflicting it again on a previously uninvolved 3rd party.
    Not to mention the whole "inflict suffering on a child to appease the beliefs of your 'elders'."

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    Thank you for reminding me why religious people suck.

    You do realize that your child has NO CHOICE whether or not to be brought up under your house, right?

    You're FORCING it in to your family, then FORCING it to have surgery.


    Isn't a child forced to the tenants of its culture in many more aspects?

    Manner of dress, manner of speech, holidays observed, cosmetic changes such as piercings etc. are all heavily influenced by the atmosphere in which you are raised in.

    Most people, I think it is safe to say, adhere to the same religion that their parents adhere to. (I don't think this is very wise, but that's a different argument.)

    Parents will bring their children up into the culture and traditions that they believe in. That's just parenting and socialization, and by comparison this doesn't seem quite so terrible. This isn't extensive mutiltation, it's an extremely basic surgical procedure that doesn't damage the recipient in any way beyond initial pain.
    His point was people would be well advised to remember that when being parents. Unfortunately not enough do.

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Elkamil wrote: »
    I'm cool with the fact that I was circumcised, but any kids I have will not be circumcised. At least not while they're still kids.

    Same. Except I don't want kids, take that nature.

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    what are you talking about? nothing about that study has been disputed, except by one guy who would be in a position to naturally be against it. the AMA statement came out waaaayyy before the study. there isn't any real dispute here: circumcision helps prevent HIV/AIDS. i'm not saying that's a sole reason to get a circumcision, but it's a point in its' corner

    This is going to turn out like that eggs thing man. First they're good and they want you to eat a whole bunch. Then a study comes out that eggs are bad and we shouldn't eat them. Next think you know they're good again. Again? Were they ever really bad?

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Shoggoth wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    What if the mother isn't Jewish?

    Yeah right. And the fairies and elves will come up and shower the world with love and joy.

    I eventually will marry a Jewish girl. Like I said before, I value not getting kicked out and losing the love of my grandparents or my parents.

    That sort of implies you're only doing it to appease your family, you are into the religion outside that right?

    Bawhahah. Man, thats funny.

    No I am not into religion. Yeah I follow the holidays and traditions, but being religious? Nah. I mean I eat things from the sea that don't have fins but I don't eat pork. I pick and choose because when I turned 16 I was told by my parents to do what I like as long as you can still call yourself jewish. So I picked and chose. Yeah I keep most of the things, but I have skipped on alot as well.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    This is not a "jewish" joke or anything, but I'm reminded of Fiddler On The Roof:
    [TEVYE]
    Tradition, tradition! Tradition!
    Tradition, tradition! Tradition!

    [TEVYE & PAPAS]
    Who, day and night, must scramble for a living,
    Feed a wife and children, say his daily prayers?
    And who has the right, as master of the house,
    To have the final word at home?

    The Papa, the Papa! Tradition.
    The Papa, the Papa! Tradition.

    [GOLDE & MAMAS]
    Who must know the way to make a proper home,
    A quiet home, a kosher home?
    Who must raise the family and run the home,
    So Papa's free to read the holy books?

    The Mama, the Mama! Tradition!
    The Mama, the Mama! Tradition!

    [SONS]
    At three, I started Hebrew school. At ten, I learned a trade.
    I hear they've picked a bride for me. I hope she's pretty.

    The son, the son! Tradition!
    The son, the son! Tradition!

    [DAUGHTERS]
    And who does Mama teach to mend and tend and fix,
    Preparing me to marry whoever Papa picks?

    The daughter, the daughter! Tradition!
    The daughter, the daughter! Tradition!

    [MATCHMAKER]
    Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match.
    Find me a find, catch me a catch.
    Matchmaker, matchmaker, look through your book
    And make me a perfect match.

    Matchmaker, matchmaker, I'll bring the veil.
    You bring the groom, slender and pale.
    Bring me a ring, for I'm longing to be
    The envy of all I see.

    For Papa, make him a scholar.
    For Mama, make him rich as a king.
    For me, well, I wouldn't holler
    If her were as handsome as anything.

    Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match.
    Find me a find, catch me a catch.
    Night after night, in the dark, I'm alone.
    So, find me a match of my own.

    [TSEITEL]
    Hodel, oh Hodel, have I made a match for you.
    He's handsome! He's young! All right, he's 62.
    But he's a nice man, a good catch. True? True!
    I promise you'll be happy. And even if you're not,
    There's more to life than that. Don't ask me what!

    Chava! I've found him! Will you be a lucky bride!
    He's handsome. He's tall! That is, from side to side.
    But he's a nice man, a good catch, Right? Right!
    You've heard he has a temper. He'll beat you every night.
    But only when he's sober- so you're all right!

    Did you think you'd get a prince?
    Well I do the best I can.
    With no dowry, no money, no family background,
    Be glad you got a man!

    Matchmaker, matchmaker, you know that I'm
    Still very young. Please, take your time.
    Up to this minute, I've misunderstood
    That I could get stuck for good.

    Dear Yenta, see that he's gentle.
    Remember, you were also a bride.
    It's not that I'm sentimental.
    It's just that I'm terrified!

    Matchmaker, matchmaker, plan me no plans.
    I'm in no rush. maybe I've learned
    Playing with matches a girl can get burned.
    So bring me no ring, groom me no groom,
    Find me no find, catch me no catch.
    Unless he's a matchless match!

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Shoggoth wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    What if the mother isn't Jewish?

    Yeah right. And the fairies and elves will come up and shower the world with love and joy.

    I eventually will marry a Jewish girl. Like I said before, I value not getting kicked out and losing the love of my grandparents or my parents.

    That sort of implies you're only doing it to appease your family, you are into the religion outside that right?

    Bawhahah. Man, thats funny.

    No I am not into religion. Yeah I follow the holidays and traditions, but being religious? Nah. I mean I eat things from the sea that don't have fins but I don't eat pork. I pick and choose because when I turned 16 I was told by my parents to do what I like as long as you can still call yourself jewish. So I picked and chose. Yeah I keep most of the things, but I have skipped on alot as well.

    I can barely believe you're not a troll, but that aside your views horrifies me to no end.

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    what are you talking about? nothing about that study has been disputed, except by one guy who would be in a position to naturally be against it. the AMA statement came out waaaayyy before the study. there isn't any real dispute here: circumcision helps prevent HIV/AIDS. i'm not saying that's a sole reason to get a circumcision, but it's a point in its' corner

    This is going to turn out like that eggs thing man.

    yeah i don't think so. eggs aren't peeners

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    "okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    On what end? The allowed to choose how religious you are or me wanting to stick with tradition?

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    This is not a "jewish" joke or anything, but I'm reminded of Fiddler On The Roof:

    snip

    http://www.cthulhulives.org/Musical/PrologueSample.mp3

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2007
    Circumcise those quote trees.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    and still no one has posted anything about how often circumcision is botched. i'm sure it happens, but cite something, geez.

    The rate of complications during circumcision is estimated to be 2-10%, but if you include extreme bleeding as a complication, the rate shoots up to 35% and one study found a rate as high as 55%.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    okay, that's not the point i was making. obviously circumcision alone shouldn't be a defense against AIDS. that's stupid. but a lot of people in this thread have been acting like there's no benefits to circumcision, but well... there are.
    It's not a very good point though. Unlike say, the new HPV vaccine which provides a proportional reduction in the occurrence of a cancer (via a virus) which can't actually be controlled by proper application of prophylaxis, HIV transmission can be essentially entirely prevented via one means and is virtually guaranteed to kill you one way or another.

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