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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Plus, most of the girls I know prefer a circumcised penis. Most of the others don't care. I don't know any girl that prefers an uncircumcised penis.
    That's because you live in the states. Other countries take the opposite view, the UK for instance. So you've also made the decision that your future son is going to live in the United States his entire life, and not possibly move to another country where circumcision is unusual and taboo? Bearing in mind that while choosing to be circumcise is easy, choosing not to be after the operation is not.

    Whatever. The American attitude towards this sickens me.
    Actually, most kids born today in the U.S. are not circumcised.

    So, unless you expect your future sons to be having sex with people your age, getting them circumcised is going to make them freaks. And, of course, it's a lot easier to get circumcised than it is to un-do a circumcision.

    And who the fuck decided that that flap of skin is "extra?" Is that like I have an "extra" kidney, and an "extra" lung? "Extra" liver that I don't need, "extra" small intestine, "extra" brain that doesn't get used?

    Jesus, they should be removing all of these "extras" when we're born, apparently.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

    I hope you never have children.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I fully expected K_A's post to be a comparison to tentacles and/or penises in hentai.

    I think your comment is a little harsh, Evil. I hate when people pull the "you shouldn't breed" card here on the forums.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

    I hope you never have children.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    ...

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    well

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0726_050726_circumcision.html


    i really really wish someone would cite the stats on how often circumcision is screwed up instead of just saying "it happens"

    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

    I hope you never have children.

    I hope I do. Why should we mess with our tradition anyhow? It served us well the past hundreds of years. It makes us normal and you don't need to see our wangs when we are wearing clothes at all. Yeah if we wear a star or something like that you'll know it was done, but I don't walk around displaying anything like that.

    Just because we can clean them better doesn't make it that you can't do it. While I may not be religious enough, I hold my traditions in high regard.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

    I hope you never have children.
    He'll never find a woman to bear his children anyways, so it's a non-issue.

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong

    edit: by which i mean the bellybutton part, duh

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    Eh, I know a lot of people that might as well still have their umbilical cords.

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Thank you. I was trying to find a way to construcively criticise him along the lines of "Wait till diaper rash". I think that's much better then the other dick replys that were given.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong
    You don't see how cutting a chord of flesh binding the mother to the child is necessary? How drunk are you?

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

    I hope you never have children.
    He'll never find a woman to bear his children anyways, so it's a non-issue.

    Pff, wouldn't you like to know.

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong
    You don't see how cutting a chord of flesh binding the mother to the child is necessary? How drunk are you?

    How would it happen in nature?

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong
    You don't see how cutting a chord of flesh binding the mother to the child is necessary? How drunk are you?

    How would it happen in nature?

    The mother would chew through the cord, obviously.

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong
    You don't see how cutting a chord of flesh binding the mother to the child is necessary? How drunk are you?

    How would it happen in nature?

    Mommy bites it off?

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong
    You don't see how cutting a chord of flesh binding the mother to the child is necessary? How drunk are you?

    okay, i clearly fucked up that part. it's been a long day. i meant the bellybutton tying

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    cutting the umbilical cord is technically "unnecessary surgery," but we still do it, and it carries about as much risk as circumcision does.
    I'm curious how drunk you are at the moment.

    prove me wrong
    You don't see how cutting a chord of flesh binding the mother to the child is necessary? How drunk are you?

    How would it happen in nature?
    The placenta gets ejected and the mother/father chews through it/it decays and falls off after a while.

    But you know, I'm nearing 22 years and my foreskin is as alive as the day I was born and still attached.

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    recurs|onrecurs|on procrastinator general Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    I take it you don't know that you will be applying medicine, Vaseline, and gauze several times a day after the circumcision?

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Meh, any male child of mine will be circumsized. One, because we are jewish and thats the way we do things. Second becauseI don't want to teach him anything extra and I will be damned if I will apply any medicene to that area. Mine works fine, I like the look and is cool so I guess thats what my son will have it too.

    I hope you never have children.
    He'll never find a woman to bear his children anyways, so it's a non-issue.

    Pff, wouldn't you like to know.
    Not really, no.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hey the wiki on circumcision is actually interesting. Did you know it predates recorded human history?

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    recurs|on wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    I take it you don't know that you will be applying medicine, Vaseline, and gauze several times a day after the circumcision?

    thats why you have nurses.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Hey the wiki on circumcision is actually interesting. Did you know it predates recorded human history?

    Brontosaurucision.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Hey the wiki on circumcision is actually interesting. Did you know it predates recorded human history?

    How can that be known?

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    Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    alright, so the stupid surgery part of my post aside, does anybody wanna address the study saying circumsized men are 2/3rds less likely to get AIDS?

    or does anybody wanna cite how often circumcision is messed up?

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    recurs|on wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    I take it you don't know that you will be applying medicine, Vaseline, and gauze several times a day after the circumcision?

    thats why you have nurses.
    I'm pretty sure you won't be allowed to take one of them home with you from the hospital. They're probably going to tell you to do it yourself.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Fellhand wrote: »
    Hey the wiki on circumcision is actually interesting. Did you know it predates recorded human history?

    Brontosaurucision.

    If you have a dinosaur on your cock I'm pretty sure that's necessary surgery

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    ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Drez wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    There's a high likelihood of you having to apply medicine to your child's body though, penis or otherwise.

    See the point is that yeah, I know that medicene like vicks for example is applied. Applyoing medicene to someplace where I don't have knowledge of or have seen it before is an issue. Why should I hassle myself with this issue when I don't have to deal with it?

    I uh...I think circumcision is just fine, but I'm not sure "so I don't have to hassle myself" is in any way a valid reason. Why have children then? Overall they are a "hassle."

    Hassle with putting medicene in that part. Kids rasing I have no problem with and I don't consider a hassle. That and its listed in the torah. I don't want my kid being kicked out. Afterwords he is free to do what he wants, but while he's under my care and my house (hopefully in the future) he shall observe the Jewish tradition.

    What if it's a girl?

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    recurs|onrecurs|on procrastinator general Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    recurs|on wrote: »
    Applying medicine to a child's genitals probably shouldn't be a significant concern to a parent.

    You realize you'll have to wipe their ass for a while, right?

    Wiping is fine because thats what we do. Applying medicene which is something I have never done I wouldn't do.

    I take it you don't know that you will be applying medicine, Vaseline, and gauze several times a day after the circumcision?

    thats why you have nurses.

    Ha ha, yeah. Where do you live that your baby will be hospitalized for several days at 8 days of age?

    Nurses. Hee.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    alright, so the stupid surgery part of my post aside, does anybody wanna address the study saying circumsized men are 2/3rds less likely to get AIDS?

    or does anybody wanna cite how often circumcision is messed up?
    If you want to fight AIDS, there are better ways to do it than circumcising men. Like, for instance, giving them condoms. I find it hilarious that the same group of people who are uncomfortable telling a man to put on a condom have no problem telling them to cut off part of their penis.

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    edited July 2007
    Pants Man wrote: »
    alright, so the stupid surgery part of my post aside, does anybody wanna address the study saying circumsized men are 2/3rds less likely to get AIDS?

    Yes, when you're looking at a population of men who by and large refuse to wear condoms and refuse to be monogamous.

    So, yeah, if the most obvious ways of preventing HIV fail, then promoting circumcision in these populations is a viable third-line alternative.

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    FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#HIV
    Wikipedia wrote:
    On March 28, 2007, the World Health Organisation and UNAIDS issued joint recommendations about male circumcision and HIV/AIDS.[112] These are:

    1. Male circumcision should now be recognized as an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention.

    2. Promoting male circumcision should be recognized as an additional, important strategy for the prevention of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men.[113]

    Newell and Bärnighausen (2007) also stated there was "firm evidence that the risk of acquiring HIV is halved by male circumcision."[11][12][13] However, Garenne (2006) doubted its value in reducing HIV.[114] and Talbott (2007), in a controversial paper [7] stated that cross country regression data pointed to prostitution as the key factor in the AIDS epidemic rather than circumcision.[115] A World Health Organization AIDS Prevention Team official Tim Farley described the paper as 'total drivel', while Chris Surridge, PLoS One's managing editor, defended its publication.[116] In 1999 the American Medical Association had stated, "behavioral factors are far more important in preventing these infections than the presence or absence of a foreskin."[60]

    So it may or may not help reduce the chance of acquiring HIV. I hate the ambigouity of science.

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