Super Smash Bros. Brawl -- "Accept it with gratitude!"

Joshua368

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Update - 12/04/07 - Thanks Bruin!
<Returning Pokémon>
If you haven’t played the last game or the one before that, you may be left wondering something like, "Why isn’t this Pokémon or that Pokémon in the game?" All I’ve been introducing are the ones new to this game.

So now I’d like to introduce several of the Pokémon that appeared in past installments that will be appearing again in Brawl.



Suicune



Lugia



Entei



Staryu



Bellossom



Ho-Oh



Wobbuffet



Togepi



Snorlax



Celebi

The likelihood of mysterious Pokémon appearing is quite low. Mew and Celebi are especially rare, but they may leave you some kind of present.



Mew dropped a CD. Accept it with gratitude!

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E For All Demo

-Our first gameplay video posted courtesy of Faustum. Another gameplay video, also courtesy of Faustum.
- FINAL SMASH COMPILATION VIDEO. Hooray Faustum!
-Joshua368 found a ton of videos, most of which are recent.
-Zec posted an adventure mode preview showing off Donkey and Diddy Kong.
-StriderEdge posted an adventure mode preview showing off Kirby and Peach.
-Cloudeagle posts yet another adventure mode preview showing off Pit and Mario.
-Faustum posts a final adventure mode preview called Worlds Collide featuring Wario
-InvisibleInk posted this interesting article: Nintendo World Reports Impressions of the E for All demo
-Ultrachrist found an Official E for All Firsthand Impressions Thread put together by SmashBoards

Control Settings

There have the option to play this game with four different kinds of controllers.



You can remap the buttons any way you choose, and save your settings to your name for easy access. These are the default settings for each control setup.

Known Returning Characters

New Characters

The Missing

Missing characters from the previous Super Smash Bros games.

Jigglypuff
Luigi
Captain Falcon
Ness

Ganondorf
Marth
Roy
Mr. Game & Watch
Mewtwo
Young Link
Dr. Mario
Pichu
Falco

Interesting Fact: All of these characters have one thing in common: They were all hidden characters in their respective games. None of the returning characters so far were locked when you first started up the two games.

Final Smashes

Mario - Mario Finale

Link - Triforce Slash

Pikachu - Volt Tackle

Samus - Zero Laser

Bowser - Giga Bowser Transformation

Donkey Kong - Konga Beat

Yoshi - Super Dragon

Pit - Palutena's Army

Diddy - Rocketbarrel Barrage

Pokémon Trainer - Triple Finish

Fox - Landmaster

Kirby - Cook Kirby

Peach - Peach Blossom

Meta Knight - Galaxia Darkness

Ike - Great Aether

Ice Climbers - Iceberg

Lucas - PK Starstorm

Wario - Wario-Man

New Items

Crates and Barrels - They are now themed to fit the level style: normal, festive or futuristic. There are also rolling crates that slide hazardly, and explosive crates and barrels are marked as such.


Assist Trophy: This item is similar to be Pokéball but instead produces various video game characters. These are not in any way playable characters.


Known Assist trophies:

Hammer Bro


Nintendog


Samurai Goroh


Dr. Wright


Knuckle Joe


Devil


Andross


Lyn


Mr. Resetti


Excitebike


Lakitu


Little Mac


Gray Fox


Saki Amamiya

Poké Ball: An all-time favorite item which gives you a random Pokémon ranging from the earliest to latest games.


Known Pokémon:

Groudon


Deoxys


Munchlax


Piplup


Meowth


Known returning Pokémon: Bellossom, Celebi, Chikorita, Electrode, Entei, Goldeen, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Mew, Snorlax, Staryu, Suicune, Togepi, Wobbuffet

Gooey Bomb: The Gooey Bomb acts as a sticky Remote Mine. While stuck to a character, it can be passed back after making contact with another player.


Cracker Launcher: This projectile launcher isn't as racist as it sounds. It shoots out rapid-fire blasts and can be aimed up and down while running.


Banana Peel: Because clichés work. This item doesn't do much other than tripping an opponent.


Bumper: A returning item from the original Super Smash Brothers, this time around it can be placed in midair.


Pitfall: The item comes from Animal Crossing and retains its effect from there. It can trap opponents in the ground or drop them through a platform.


Smoke Ball: This item deals no damage, but rather actually just blinds the player from the screen. It shoots out rainbow-colored gas.


Franklin Badge: Debuting from the Mother Series (Earthbound), it attaches to a player's chest and is basically an automatic reflector.


Spicy Curry: When a Fire Flower just can't suit your flaming needs, eating this will make your player constantly spew out flames.


Golden Hammer: A coat of paint works wonders, this hammer is flung around at crazy speeds and can let you hover. Occassionally it is a worthless squeaky hammer.


Smart Bomb: From the Starfox series, this bomb creates a massive explosion when thrown.


Confirmed returning items: Beam Sword, Bob-omb, Bumper, Bunny Hood, Fan, Fire Flower, Food, Freezie, Green Shell, Hammer, Heart Container, Home-Run Bat, Lip's Stick, Maxim Tomato, Motion-Sensor Bomb, Mr. Saturn, Party Ball, Poison Mushroom, Poké Ball, Ray Gun, Screw Attack, Starman, Super Mushroom, Super Scope, Warp Star

Still unceartain items: Barrel Cannon, Cloaking Device, Flipper, Metal Box, Parasol, Red Shell, Star Rod

Announced Stages

Battlefield (Super Smash Bros)

Delfino Plaza (Super Mario Sunshine)

Yoshi's Island (Yoshi's Island)

Lylat Cruise (Starfox)

Bridge to Eldin (Zelda: Twilight Princess)

Smashville (Animal Crossing)

Rumble Falls (Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat)

Skyworld (Kid Icarus)

Castle Seige (Fire Emblem)

WarioWare Inc. (WarioWare)

Pokémon Stadium 2 (Pokémon)

Battleship Halberd (Kirby Superstar)

Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear Solid)

New Pork City (Mother 3)

PictoChat (Nintendo DS)

The Summit (Ice Climber)

Norfair (Metroid)

Temple (Melee Stage)

Such Pretty Music

First, a giant list of composers, accompanied by the new Menu Music:

Menu Theme

Now just some small clips to some music samples we've been given:

- Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Main Theme
- Yoshi's Story: Ending
- Metroid: Boss Battle Music (Ridley Fight)
- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Medley
- Star Fox: Space Armada
- Kid Icarus: The Underworld
- Animal Crossing: Go K.K. Rider!
- Pokémon: Pokémon Stadium/Evolution
- Metal Gear Solid: MGS4 Love Theme
- DS Cooking Game (Japanese only)
- WarioWare: Ashley's Theme
- WarioWare: Ashley's Theme (Japanese version)
- Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem Theme
- Kirby: Meta Knight's Revenge
- Donkey Kong
- [url="http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/images/sound071130a.swf]Zelda II: The Adventure of Link: Great Temple/Temple[/url]

Series Represented

So far, we've been given a list of series that have been represented, but as we get this list, its come to us out of order. We currently have gaps as shown:


1. Smash Brothers
2. Donkey Kong
3. StarFox
4. Kirby
5. F-Zero
6. Metroid
7. EarthBound/Mother
8. Pokemon
9. Zelda
10. Mario
11. Yoshi
12. Fire Emblem
13. ???
14. Ice Climbers
15. Animal Crossing
16. Wario
17. Metal Gear
18. Kid Icarus
19. ???
20. Sonic the Hedgehog
21. Nintendo DS

*21 Is the highest number we're aware of, it in no way indicates that it is the final number

Another Interesting Fact: By smash tradition, there has never been a stage from a game without a character from that series representing this. That and an interview on the subject lead many to believe that an Animal Crossing character is all but confirmed.

However the Pictochat stage has thrown a monkey wrench into this theory! This is because Sakurai is insane.

Joshua368

Forumer Contributions:

This section of the opening post will be dedicated to any forumer contributions made to this thread by way of creating something that will be helpful for organizing online play, the setup thereof, or sharing pertinent information such as user names and friend codes. In addition to this, there is now a portion explaining more advanced Smash terminology as well.


The Penny Arcade Super Smash Brothers Brawl Online Tournament List!
This is all organized courtesy of Nickle. It is planned to take place a week or two after the game comes out so people have a chance to practice. There are still plenty of spots available here if you want to sign up.

Here is the tournament list, which is more of a placeholder than anything else. People will have to reconfirm their desire to take part in the tournament when it arrives.

PM Nickle if you want to take part in this, there is no limit to how many users can join. Let's see if we can get this up to 128. Include your state (America) or province (Canada) please.

Last updated November 20th.

1. Nickle IL
2. Guek WA
3. BlueBlue MS
4. Speakeasy CA
5. TempleWolf MN
6. quovadis13 ON, CA
7. cloudeagle OK
8. Joshua368 SC
9. Djiem Canada somewhere, I think
11. Redfenix
12. Mntorankusu KY
13. Ronen NY
14. Phanman
15. Pata
16. shyguy NY
17. Sharp10r NC
18. LordNibbler NY
19. ruiisu FL
20. Behemoth WA
21. Bulbasaur ON, CA
22. MetaHybrid ON, CA
23. willmannyeatthat MA
24. ArcSyn NJ
25. Munkus Beaver
26. Shabutie CA
27. Brue CA
28. Arcibi KY
29. Squashua FL
30. urahonky OH
31. Aydr WA
32. Faustum TX
33. Fishguy NM
34. Khavall PA
35. Improvolone FL
36. Goatmon CA
37. Niceguyeddie616 MA
38. Reigner PA
39. Gino WI
40. Zealous One CA
41. Woot427 IL
42. Monsty ND
43. Gunwarrior (Maybe) CA
44. Taramoor WA
45. Captain Crunch BC, CA
46. Gorilla Salad TX
47. Snork CT/PA
48. Jrosey WA
49. Tehcoolryan CA
50. Atheraal
51. Toothy KY
52. JLM-AWP
53. Zimarooski TX
54. Yalborap
55. Jarhog
56. Rehab NE
57. Rollout MTL, QC, CA
58. Gravija IL
59. Aioua WA
60. Hylianbunny ON, CA
61. SkyGheNe CT
62. BahamutZERO CA
63. Vann Diras IN
64. No Great Name East Coast
65. AshtonDragon NL, CA
66. Bibble TN
67. InivisibleInk OR
68. aaronsedge AR
69. Mushroom Pie
70. Greg343 KS
71. Corp.Shephard NC
72. Kupi NC
73. Kor NM
74. TehSpectre KS
75. JustinChar99 FL
76. Godfather TX
77. Zen Vulgarity FL
78. Manetheren AL
79. mts CA
80. RedMageDarion ME
81. Tachyon CO
82. Zampano NH
83. Zek NJ
84. Inquisitor CA
85. Manaleak34 WA
86. Cloudman MO
87. mr_ekim CA
88. Ruins MD
89. ChopperDave
90. Qorzm CA
91. CaspianX CA
92. Fig-D CA
93. Spoof
94. Mtvcdm WI
95. Dusda OR
96. Geod VA
97. Red Gear NY
98. Mighty TX
99. Brokecracker IN
100. HylianZora OH
101. LightRider TX
102. PikaPuff
103. tony_important NS, CA
104. DasUberEdward OH

Smash Brothers Community Terminology

This is a very thorough look at advanced Smash terms to help end confusion about them. ChopperDave wrote it and has this to say:

ChopperDave wrote: »

Whew, that took way longer than I thought it would

I wrote the first part of this guide myself, hopefully it does a decent enough job describing some of the most-confused terms. The other, lesser important terms I just lifted from a thread in Smashboards.

It's...long, so I've split it up over two posts. The first part is all most of you will want to read, anyway, the second part (from Smashboards) has got a lot of specific, kind of unnecessary terms. I deleted some of the MOST superfluous ones (BYOC = bring your own controller, for example :roll:), but for the most part it remains intact. By the way, if there's any terms I forgot to add or didn't describe effeciently, please let me know.

Without further ado...:

Here are Part 1 and Part 2 of the guide.

Here is something that could be considered Part 3 of the Smash Bros Terminology. It goes over common misconceptions about tournament players and seeks to help end the SmashBoards versus casual play arguments which always seem to pop up in these threads. Everyone should take a look at these discussions:

-Chopper Dave talks about the Penny Arcade/SmashBoards feud
-More talk about the competitive community by Chopper Dave
-Joshua368 which stages are banned in tournament play ... and explains why

Flash-based replica Brawl Stage Editor

This is a really cool page designed by mntorankusu, based around the Stage Creator update on the dojo. Here are some instructions and information.

mntorankusu wrote:

Hold Ctrl and roll over the grid to quickly select squares. Hold Shift to quickly deselect.

This is a fan-made stage editor based on the one in the upcoming game, Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Little is known about the in-game editor, so I don't make any guarantees that this one will produce stages anything like the real game. If there are any glaring inaccuracies, contact me at mntorankusu at gmail dot com.

Also, you probably shouldn't let things overlap the wide triangle piece if you want to be able to reproduce your stage in the game. It is too difficult to disallow it in this Flash editor, but I'm fairly certain you won't be able to overlap pieces in Brawl's.

You might not be able to rotate them in Brawl either. Try not to be too disappointed if it turns out the stages you create using the rotate feature can't be reproduced in Brawl.

Click here to play it. Here is an example of what you can do.

MetaHybrid wrote:

Customizable signatures that display user names and friend codes.

Here is something that mntorankusu and Geod have been working on, which will allow people to easily put their favorite character and friend code in a fancy signature to help organize things once the game comes out. It allows you to choose your name, character, icon, friend code, and color of character. This is what they look like:

mntorankusu wrote:

BlueBlue

I guess now I have to wait 'till the 17th until I can get excited about the possibility of a megaman update again.

I wonder what kind of update they have in store for Dec 3rd?

Narian

Mind updating the "Update - 11/16/07" to today's date? I didn't realize that the Ice Climbers update was new for a bit.

EDIT:

Aroduc

You know. A friend thought that the iceberg fell from the sky, wheras I thought it erupted from below... and unless I'm missing something, it's really not clear which it is. CRSSSSSH isn't a particularly helpful description.

Aydr

Aroduc wrote: »

You know. A friend thought that the iceberg fell from the sky, wheras I thought it erupted from below... and unless I'm missing something, it's really not clear which it is. CRSSSSSH isn't a particularly helpful description.

I'm pretty certain it's from below.

Konata

I thought it came from the sky at first, but now I think it comes from below.

If it did do some damage and knockback people in the screenshots above the iceberg would be flinching somehow if it fell down and none of them are.

EddieDean

Ice Climbers' Final Smash is gonna be kinda interesting on their own stage, what with it already being pretty icebergy.

Aydr

EddieDean wrote: »

Ice Climbers' Final Smash is gonna be kinda boring on their own stage, what with it already being pretty icebergy.

Bibble

after this update ice climbers is officially staying my main

or megaman

EmperorSeth

Back in the last thread, there was a discussion about what this FS did after Nana was defeated. I'd hazard a guess that the FS automatically revived her in addition to the normal effects. It wouldn't be that unbalanced, assuming that she starts with the same percentage of health Popo has.

Actually, do we know if Popo/Nana is now universal or just the default? I'd assume that it would be like Melee, where different colors put Nana in the primary position, but it's hard to tell at this point.

Gorilla Salad

Maybe it's random?

cloudeagle

Or maybe losing Nana has no effect at all on the final smash.

Zek

EmperorSeth wrote: »

Actually, do we know if Popo/Nana is now universal or just the default? I'd assume that it would be like Melee, where different colors put Nana in the primary position, but it's hard to tell at this point.

I don't see any reason why they would change it.

mntorankusu

cloudeagle wrote: »

Or maybe losing Nana has no effect at all on the final smash.

I like the idea that Popo tries to high-five her and, after realizing she's not there, gets all sad.

Xagarath

Is not a bad update, all in all.

Children

That would crack me up.

Aydr

mntorankusu wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

Or maybe losing Nana has no effect at all on the final smash.

I like the idea that Popo tries to high-five her and, after realizing she's not there, gets all sad.

This can be Ness' new purpose. When Popo raises his hand, Ness can run up out of nowhere and high-five him.

Speed Racer

If Nana's not there, Popo will reproduce asexually and the two new Ice Climbers will high-five.

Aydr

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

If Nana's not there, Popo will reproduce asexually and the two new Ice Climbers will high-five.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Nana just comes back when you use the final smash. Gives a restoration aspect as well as an attack.

mntorankusu

Aydr wrote: »

mntorankusu wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

Or maybe losing Nana has no effect at all on the final smash.

I like the idea that Popo tries to high-five her and, after realizing she's not there, gets all sad.

This can be Ness' new purpose. When Popo raises his hand, Ness can run up out of nowhere and high-five him.

Icemopper

What happened to the last thread? 100 pages already?

Xagarath

Icemopper wrote: »

What happened to the last thread? 100 pages already?

The guy who made it got banned.

mntorankusu

Icemopper wrote: »

What happened to the last thread? 100 pages already?

Faustum (the old OP) got banned from the thread for being stupid, and then got banned period for posting in the thread.

MikeMan

ice climbers without wavedashing

this'll be weird

EmperorSeth

mntorankusu wrote: »

Aydr wrote: »

mntorankusu wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

Or maybe losing Nana has no effect at all on the final smash.

I like the idea that Popo tries to high-five her and, after realizing she's not there, gets all sad.

This can be Ness' new purpose. When Popo raises his hand, Ness can run up out of nowhere and high-five him.

I like the idea that Ness just pops in to make cameos all over the place, like a Smash Brothers' Waldo. He's driving a Mario Kart! He randomly walks around in Smashville! He pops up and laughs whenever Lucas gets KOed!

mntorankusu

That's not going to happen, though, because Ness is going to be playable.




BELIEVE

Aydr

mntorankusu wrote: »

That's not going to happen, though, because Ness is going to be playable.




BELIEVE

What if he's playable and appears everywhere?

BlueBlue

Having seen the old one, nice touch-up on that image. I can't wait to see what kind of plans you have for them, though at this point I am expecting that you are going to somehow make a brawl simulator in flash from nothing but those pieces of artwork.

At least it will have Ness.

Chen

I guess I missed the drama.

It'd be nice if there was a small stage where IC's final smash would be an instant KO.

That said, where is my Falcon dammit? Show me.

Sharp10r

That iceberg is beautiful. I secretly keep hoping that the next announcement will be that they fixed everything in the game, and it will be out in December.

mntorankusu

BlueBlue wrote: »

Having seen the old one, nice touch-up on that image. I can't wait to see what kind of plans you have for them, though at this point I am expecting that you are going to somehow make a brawl simulator in flash from nothing but those pieces of artwork.

At least it will have Ness.

Super Flash Bros. Brawl

I wish. Attempts I've made to make games in Flash have mostly failed.

BlueBlue

Sharp10r wrote: »

That iceberg is beautiful. I secretly keep hoping that the next announcement will be that they fixed everything in the game, and it will be out in December.

Wal-mart wouldn't figure out that it was released until Feb anyways, oh ho ho.

mntrunks:
Oh man, with a name like that it needs to be made even more, it's just too perfect.

Franko

So this FS should be pretty useful when it freezes enemies and sends them flying. If enemies maybe run slow on the ice, but the ice climbers maintain tractability, then this should be a good FS for being able to pick off skidding enemies. Well I think it seems a lot more useful than Peach's shitty smash (I think the peaces that rain down and recover health should give you negative percent with her)

starmanbrand

So. I was sitting here, thinking about the FSs in this game.

I think it is AWESOME they went with a new, item based system rather than a Street Fighter meter that increases as you attack.

I can only imagine the havoc that will happen during a match when one of the balls floats onto the screen and everyone rushes to kill it. hopefully there is an option to make the balls have more health.

HylianZora

So, I'll make a bet with someone.
If they beat me in Brawl, they get my sig.
If I beat them, their sig be MINE.
And I hope Ness is playable.
He rocks.
I can't decide whether to main Ice Climbers, Pit, or Ness(Or, if he's not in, Lucas)...

Henroid

HylianZora wrote: »

So, I'll make a bet with someone.
If they beat me in Brawl, they get my sig.

That's a good bet. I'm not taking you up on it, just noting that'll probably become the standard for Brawl matches between PA members.

Zek

I think sig/avatar bets on matches should definitely be a regular thing around here. Maybe with a standard one week time limit or something.

mntorankusu

We should come up with a bunch of official PA G&T Smash titles.

Anyone who wins a title match against someone with a title, gets that title.

HylianZora

Lucas' Final Smash:

He becomes Ness

Henroid

mntorankusu wrote: »

We should come up with a bunch of official PA G&T Smash titles.

Anyone who wins a title match against someone with a title, gets that title.

How do you mean? You got some examples?