Here are some drawings i have done. I have been stuck in a habbit of drawing manga for so many years. I have decided to NEVER again draw manga and to try a more realistic approach to my drawings. Below are a few images. Let me know wat you think. Any problems, perspective etc would be good. Cheers.
It looks to me like you suffer from one of the same problems I have for a while, that is, where your portraits are trapped in a weird spot between cartoony and realistic.
Assuming it's the cartooniness of manga you are trying to escape, I suggest working on how you define form. A lot of times it is the suggestion of form that will help give it a realistic feel and not going in and trying to draw every contour.
You're just starting out on the long and hard road to being a better artist. I think you've made a good decision to study life rather than work exclusively in an anime style. There are a lot of things that need to be worked on here. Line quality, spacial relationships, anatomy, gesture, construction,perspective, value, and three dimensional representation.
I'd suggest heading over to the questions, discussion, and tutorials thread and do every human anatomy and gesture tutorial you can do. The Glen Vilppu Drawing Articles are a good start.
This is a great article and i think it will really help you out. It deals with breaking value into two dimensional shapes to better construct your drawings.
I'd also suggest working on more than just portraits. Sign up for a life drawing course, take art classes at school, draw your friends, draw your cat, draw your table lamp, draw all the buildings on a street, draw yourself. Do these things from LIFE. Don't use photo references, especially flash photos like you've been using for these drawings. Go out there, bring your sketchbook and fucking do it!
Cheers for the advice mate! Im in second year of Illustration at uni this year. I'm taking a painting/drawing class which has helped me so much. Thanks for the links. Appreciated!
Try to focus on drawing exactly what you see, as opposed to what your brain wants you to think what you're seeing (such as football eyes). Spend as much time as you need doing a predrawing, just make sure all the proportions are ACCURATE before you start putting down values. Also, use your pencil to line features up, to make sure that they're accurate. Having good construction beforehand will make or break a piece! Strive for perfection! You're off to a great start mister
Cheers for the links mate. Thanks for heads up on the football eyes fellas. Here is a pic i drew while thinking about the suggestions from u guys. Tried to avoid really sharp lines. Cheers!
yeah the chin is too pointy and the jaw line should be lower a bit i would think. Also you may wanna smooth out that pointy tip. It's ok, I just made the exact same mistakes on something I'm working on now.
try using some references - keep two or three minimum out while drawing, and study each photo and try to give yourself an understanding of how the face works. what's differentiated between male and female etc
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G'day fellas. For a uni assignment i am to do a self portrait where we get to choose our own method. I have considered mixing both traditional work and digital colour together. Here is an example of one of my sketches i coloured in photoshop which took me bout 10 mins. Of course my actual portrait i will spend much more time gettin the right proportions and tones. What do you think of this for a method? Can it work or is it just a mess?
it definitely can work, if you don't try and use the pencil lines the same way you would use digital inks. You have to incorporate the properties of the pencil lines so that it dosen't look forced and un-natural.
An awful description, I apologise, I'm not feeling particularly eloquent today.
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Hang on a sec, that's not supposed to be Conan O'Brian?....cause it looks exactly like him.
Doing well so far. The best things for you at this point are to practice and measure. Don't be afraid of optical measurement. The best artists spend 1-2 hours just on the first stage of a sketch, measuring and fixing lines until everything is in the perfect spot.
Try getting a small cropper to look through so you can compare proportions.
Hey fellas. While i'm still working on a realistic styled portrait of Conan O'Brien, i thought id attempt to do a caricature. Advice/Feedback etc would be appreciated.
Needs much more contrast. Also it looks too soft, some harder edges might really help if from looking fuzzyish.
Cheers for the heads-up. I just realised on my monitor the colours appear with much higher contrast than it does displayed on other monitors (my bros PC and Macs). I'm probably going to have to calibrate my monitor or use another one.
Hey fellas. From an assignment at Uni we are to experiment with mixed media to create a series of images with a particual theme. I have chosen New York because of my interest in the city structure and art style. Thought id share some of my work ive done so far. BTW they dont need to be exactly accurate/realistic, just visually interesting.
Hey fellas just thought id post up my final portrait of COnan im handing up in class on thursday. Id do more but i have a ton of other work to do by the end of the week. I think its much better than when i started.
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Still lacks contrast, especially on the face, which makes it look flat. I can see you've tried to improve it but you haven't taken it far enough.
I wish I had the time to do an over paint to give you some clues, but you need to be more heavy handed in your shaded areas, darken up the shaded colours to provide a bigger spread between light and dark. It'll make it look more three dimensional.
Still lacks contrast, especially on the face, which makes it look flat. I can see you've tried to improve it but you haven't taken it far enough.
I wish I had the time to do an over paint to give you some clues, but you need to be more heavy handed in your shaded areas, darken up the shaded colours to provide a bigger spread between light and dark. It'll make it look more three dimensional.
Thanks mate. Id like to add more to it but i think i'll leave it and apply what ive learnt to a new piece. If you ever get a chance to do an over paint id like to see it. AND I CAN HAND THAT UP FOR UNI!!!
G'day fellas. Just uploading my final self-portrait for my illustration class at uni. Considering that i spent many hours going in circles im quite happy with how it turned out. It was done using acrylics, which i have never used in my life before this (except short studies with fruit).
Process this afternoon.
Final i just finished tonight. Definately needs work but im done with it.
You have not even come close to capturing the expression in the picture. Try and pay more attention to the subtleties of the facial features.
Very true. It's very muddy at the moment as well. I've only just started to understand how mixing colours work. I have to hand this up this morning. I've had alot of trouble with using acrylics and for that i'm pleased with how this has turned out. No way does it look good, but i'm more happy with this than i am with my Conan photoshop painting. Cheers for the comment mate
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I'd like to see some of your sketches.
I'm just wondering whether it's the medium that's giving you trouble, or whether your having issues with the structures themselves. I'm just getting the feeling that your missing a few of the basics that are killing you in these big pieces. By the way you really need to work on your noses.
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Assuming it's the cartooniness of manga you are trying to escape, I suggest working on how you define form. A lot of times it is the suggestion of form that will help give it a realistic feel and not going in and trying to draw every contour.
You're just starting out on the long and hard road to being a better artist. I think you've made a good decision to study life rather than work exclusively in an anime style. There are a lot of things that need to be worked on here. Line quality, spacial relationships, anatomy, gesture, construction,perspective, value, and three dimensional representation.
I'd suggest heading over to the questions, discussion, and tutorials thread and do every human anatomy and gesture tutorial you can do. The Glen Vilppu Drawing Articles are a good start.
This is a great article and i think it will really help you out. It deals with breaking value into two dimensional shapes to better construct your drawings.
I'd also suggest working on more than just portraits. Sign up for a life drawing course, take art classes at school, draw your friends, draw your cat, draw your table lamp, draw all the buildings on a street, draw yourself. Do these things from LIFE. Don't use photo references, especially flash photos like you've been using for these drawings. Go out there, bring your sketchbook and fucking do it!
Good luck!
That's a good bill murray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGzr_hlKcsg Here's a good watch for you, he explains what I just said a little more in depth.
BTW i dont have an obsession with Conan O'Brien
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try using some references - keep two or three minimum out while drawing, and study each photo and try to give yourself an understanding of how the face works. what's differentiated between male and female etc
"I was born; six gun in my hand; behind the gun; I make my final stand"~Bad Company
Cheers dudes.
"I was born; six gun in my hand; behind the gun; I make my final stand"~Bad Company
Haha. I should have mentioned this was just a test for colouring.
Yeah this does need more time given to proportions, but i just grabbed any image as mainly a test for colouring.
My main question is does anyone think Pencil work and Digital colour can work well together? If it doesnt fell free to say so.
An awful description, I apologise, I'm not feeling particularly eloquent today.
He is doing a self portrait, and the Conan picture is practice.
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It was a test mate
Here is a quick sketch of the self portrait assignment im doing at uni, which i placed in photoshop.
I dont think im going to go with colouring it on computer. I'm sure it can work well if i put in the time but i think i'll go with acrylics.
Assignment is a portrait of a celebrity. I chose Conan Obrien.
Here it is so far...
Try getting a small cropper to look through so you can compare proportions.
Is that an American television show? I wouldn't know what 'To Catch a Predator' is:) But yeah it kinda looks weird.
I never thought about that. I'll give it a go. cheers mate!
The technique I'm referring to is explained very well at the top of this page. Once you get the hang of it you'll never go back, i guarantee
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Cheers for the heads-up. I just realised on my monitor the colours appear with much higher contrast than it does displayed on other monitors (my bros PC and Macs). I'm probably going to have to calibrate my monitor or use another one.
I wish I had the time to do an over paint to give you some clues, but you need to be more heavy handed in your shaded areas, darken up the shaded colours to provide a bigger spread between light and dark. It'll make it look more three dimensional.
Thanks mate. Id like to add more to it but i think i'll leave it and apply what ive learnt to a new piece. If you ever get a chance to do an over paint id like to see it. AND I CAN HAND THAT UP FOR UNI!!!
maybe not. Cheers again.
Process this afternoon.
Final i just finished tonight. Definately needs work but im done with it.
Very true. It's very muddy at the moment as well. I've only just started to understand how mixing colours work. I have to hand this up this morning. I've had alot of trouble with using acrylics and for that i'm pleased with how this has turned out. No way does it look good, but i'm more happy with this than i am with my Conan photoshop painting. Cheers for the comment mate
I'm just wondering whether it's the medium that's giving you trouble, or whether your having issues with the structures themselves. I'm just getting the feeling that your missing a few of the basics that are killing you in these big pieces. By the way you really need to work on your noses.