outside of inventing a curved TV, how would you suggest they implement peripheral vision in FP games?
A.Sony Glasstron gets an HD version
B. Two cameras, FOV like that of an actual eye, eyelids variable.
or an anamorphic field of view
but that would be really kind of difficult to play with
Force everyone to get 3 monitors/screens, the center would be exactly the same as the view currently used. Then just add two cameras in game to each side of the head and that would translate to the other 2 screens. I know everyone wants 3 TV's. In my case I'd so have to convince the wife that all 3 need to match so I'd have three 61 inch DLP's. I would be in heaven there.
outside of inventing a curved TV, how would you suggest they implement peripheral vision in FP games?
A.Sony Glasstron gets an HD version
B. Two cameras, FOV like that of an actual eye, eyelids variable.
or an anamorphic field of view
but that would be really kind of difficult to play with
Force everyone to get 3 monitors/screens, the center would be exactly the same as the view currently used. Then just add two cameras in game to each side of the head and that would translate to the other 2 screens. I know everyone wants 3 TV's. In my case I'd so have to convince the wife that all 3 need to match so I'd have three 61 inch DLP's. I would be in heaven there.
I actually tried to create a dual-camera system so that one circle (with a diameter equal to the height of the screen) is the standard 60-to-90 degree FOV, and the rest of the screen is a 180 degree FOV. On widescreen monitors, this works pretty well in recreating peripheral vision. Unfortunately, it made me nauseous and I had to change it back to normal.
This kind of gameplay is why I still think Breakdown was important for the games industry. FP games should do something different than just 'have gun, kill everything'.
I still don't like FP games much, but that's because I hate not having peripheral vision and an inability to sense how my 'body' is interacting with the environment. And Mirror's Edge does that. And I'm still fucking getting this game!
That's a problem I've had with the first person genre for a while. You don't control a person but rather a box with a camera in front. Backing into an edge or a pole brings you to a total stop. There's zero interaction between the box and its environment. It's just a bunch of collision boxes that stop when they run into each other. ME doesn't solve these issues, not by a long shot, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. And yes, the lack of peripheral vision and having to move the camera around like a crack addict on speed to check your surroundings is very annoying.
outside of inventing a curved TV, how would you suggest they implement peripheral vision in FP games?
Well, if you'll notice, Mirror's Edge has a much wider field of vision than your average FPS game...
Truth. It's about as close to peripheral vision as you can get.
The demo is up for Silver users. And it is pretty awesome.
I don't think it's quite clicked with me though, control-wise. I've played through the demo twice now.
You'll probably have to play it more in order to really get into it, honestly. The game gets more interesting once you're fully aware of what you are and are not capable of.
So I got the XBL demo, wonderful stuff, and I eagerly go and order the PC version. It's scheduled to come out 1 March 09 according to Play.com, fuck :x
You'll probably have to play it more in order to really get into it, honestly. The game gets more interesting once you're fully aware of what you are and are not capable of.
The very best moments in the game are when you reach an area and think "Hmm, I wonder if I can do this?". And you try it. And it works.
I was just thinking, how awesome would it be if this game had a replay editor like skate. You pull of some crazy jump, or take out a guard with a flying kick and then make a nice escape, and want to see it in slow mo, through multiple cameras.
I was just thinking, how awesome would it be if this game had a replay editor like skate. You pull of some crazy jump, or take out a guard with a flying kick and then make a nice escape, and want to see it in slow mo, through multiple cameras.
That would be indeed amazing, though they'd need to animate Faith very well. I don't know if they actually have a full-on character model that actually animates.
Level editor I think is just not going to happen. I mean, maybe one of those like ones that technically is a level editor but is balls-hard to use, but not like a simple one that you can drag and drop in or something.
I don't know if they actually have a full-on character model that actually animates.
IIR they don't. On a 1up Show a while ago they talk to the guys at Dice and they mention that if they allowed a 3rd person camera Faith would appear as a weird orb shaped thing with legs and hands.
Hell yeah, the GameStop in town got an employee that's actually pretty cool.
I went today to get Fallout 3 and pay off my TRU pre-order, and he was all like "Oh, you paid off Mirror's Edge, did you get the time trial code?" and proceeded to pull one out of nowhere, seemingly from his ass.
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
My condolences.
I just cried a little inside. I hope you're happy. Fucking EA and their new lease on life.
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
My condolences.
My condolences is right. I just played through the demo an hour ago and was thoroughly impressed. Now I'm really torn: do I give up Gears 2 next month for Mirror's Edge?
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
My condolences.
My condolences is right. I just played through the demo an hour ago and was thoroughly impressed. Now I'm really torn: do I give up Gears 2 next month for Mirror's Edge?
Yes.
Just look at it this way: Gears 2 is a slightly-improved Gears 1. Mirror's Edge is a completely new franchise.
I don't know if they actually have a full-on character model that actually animates.
IIR they don't. On a 1up Show a while ago they talk to the guys at Dice and they mention that if they allowed a 3rd person camera Faith would appear as a weird orb shaped thing with legs and hands.
it's remarkable how much time and effort is required to animate a character in a game like this, with all the context-sensitive motions and interactions with the environment and various forms of movement. the game would have been delayed a good long time, months at least, if they put in a full replay mode.
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
My condolences.
My condolences is right. I just played through the demo an hour ago and was thoroughly impressed. Now I'm really torn: do I give up Gears 2 next month for Mirror's Edge?
Yes.
Just look at it this way: Gears 2 is a slightly-improved Gears 1. Mirror's Edge is a completely new franchise.
Slightly-improved doesn't seem fair. The level design is supposedly much better and it has a multiplayer mode that me in my non-multiplayer FPSness would actually play (Horde mode). I admit it does seem a little like Gears of War 1.5, but when the original game was such an excellent game to begin with, I'm perfectly fine with a version 1.5.
Hm...maybe Best Buy or some place will have a good doorbuster on Black Friday on one of both of these games and I'll be able to get both. I remember they had The Orange Box & Bioshock for $25 last year (PC versions true, but still).
Thank god I'm just a silver member so I can't download the demo and see how thoroughly awesome this game is and have to scrounge up another 60$ to buy it.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
My condolences.
My condolences is right. I just played through the demo an hour ago and was thoroughly impressed. Now I'm really torn: do I give up Gears 2 next month for Mirror's Edge?
Yes.
Just look at it this way: Gears 2 is a slightly-improved Gears 1. Mirror's Edge is a completely new franchise.
I'm kind of sidestepping the question, since Gears 2 and Mirror's Edge are the only two games I'm getting this month and next. I am taking Mirror's Edge over Prince of Persia and Tomb Raider, though. As much as I really want those other games, ME is a very radically different take on somewhat similar mechanics, plus there's the entire concept of flow and momentum that makes ME stand out. The last game to do that well was Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, and I loved the crap out of that game.
I don't know if they actually have a full-on character model that actually animates.
IIR they don't. On a 1up Show a while ago they talk to the guys at Dice and they mention that if they allowed a 3rd person camera Faith would appear as a weird orb shaped thing with legs and hands.
They said they had to cheat somewhat with the limb animations, so that while it looks great from a first-person perspective it would look pretty odd from a third-person perspective.
8/10 Score
Great graphics & audio.
Controls well & immersive.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Game can get to have a little too much trial-and-error.
Quality of the level design is all over the board with some levels being incredibly well designed experiences and others being so-so.
Their overall opinion seems to be that it's a very good game with some amazing moments, but it's a little lacking in polish. A good start to a new franchise.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Define "low key".
"Low key" as in they don't cram everything down your throat and allow the player to fill in the blanks themselves?
That's not low key. That's just good writing.
This thing is slick and the girl may have delicately feathered hair, but I don't want JRPG like dialogue and plot arrangement thankyouverymuch.
Celeste turns out to be the main antagonist. You have to race her for the final 'boss fight'. You have to lap her (smirk and I stab you) 3 times while she transforms into Ultimate Celeste, Hyper Celeste and then Final Celeste.
I still think it's sort of lame that they called the song Still Alive
I mean I'm sure that the artist just thought it was a good name, it's not like EA was all "call it Still Alive so we can be more like Portal"
Still sorta lame
Why is it sorta lame? Plenty of different songs have the same name. Just don't associate it with Portal.
Yeah, if you do a song name search, the list of acts who have written a song called "Still Alive" is looooong (Joe Jackson and Six Feet Under to name a few.)
8/10 Score
Great graphics & audio.
Controls well & immersive.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Game can get to have a little too much trial-and-error.
Quality of the level design is all over the board with some levels being incredibly well designed experiences and others being so-so.
Their overall opinion seems to be that it's a very good game with some amazing moments, but it's a little lacking in polish. A good start to a new franchise.
That review could have done with a lot less of the Valve fanboyism. A few decent points were raised, but why compare it with HL2? The games are rather different in pretty much every aspect, including design aesthetics, gameplay, interface, plot(unless ME has aliens but I really doubt that,) characters, IT IS A DIFFERENT GENRE, etc. I was forced to scoff every time he mentioned HL2, since I had a completely different opinion of it than the reviewer did.
But it sounds good. I want this game now. Nowwww. Now!
I think the Half-Life 2 comparison was a fair one. The demo of Mirror's Edge reminded me of an improved version of the first part of HL2 where you're running away from the combine without any way to defend yourself.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Define "low key".
"Low key" as in they don't cram everything down your throat and allow the player to fill in the blanks themselves?
That's not low key. That's just good writing.
This thing is slick and the girl may have delicately feathered hair, but I don't want JRPG like dialogue and plot arrangement thankyouverymuch.
Celeste turns out to be the main antagonist. You have to race her for the final 'boss fight'. You have to lap her (smirk and I stab you) 3 times while she transforms into Ultimate Celeste, Hyper Celeste and then Final Celeste.
There are some great sequences too: one early example has you go from the top of a skyscraper all the way down to street level, along a road and into the subway before heading back up again all in the one chase.
There are some great sequences too: one early example has you go from the top of a skyscraper all the way down to street level, along a road and into the subway before heading back up again all in the one chase.
Now that sounds Intense.
Yeah, when I read that part, my desire to buy this game just went up quite a bit.
Another review, this time from Playstation Official Magazine UK. 9/10. No direct link, but here's the blurb from Metacritic:
You've never played anything like Mirror's Edge. It's a genuine original. When it's good - like when you're soaring between two rooftop cranes, pigeons scattering and traffic thrumming below, or dashing between roaming sniper laser sights, breaking into an enormous needle-shaped skyscraper - it's a total rush. And even when it's not quite so good, when you can't work out how to get through a particularly tricky section, the compulsion to keep trying remains strong.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Define "low key".
"Low key" as in they don't cram everything down your throat and allow the player to fill in the blanks themselves?
That's not low key. That's just good writing.
This thing is slick and the girl may have delicately feathered hair, but I don't want JRPG like dialogue and plot arrangement thankyouverymuch.
Celeste turns out to be the main antagonist. You have to race her for the final 'boss fight'. You have to lap her (smirk and I stab you) 3 times while she transforms into Ultimate Celeste, Hyper Celeste and then Final Celeste.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Define "low key".
"Low key" as in they don't cram everything down your throat and allow the player to fill in the blanks themselves?
That's not low key. That's just good writing.
This thing is slick and the girl may have delicately feathered hair, but I don't want JRPG like dialogue and plot arrangement thankyouverymuch.
Celeste turns out to be the main antagonist. You have to race her for the final 'boss fight'. You have to lap her (smirk and I stab you) 3 times while she transforms into Ultimate Celeste, Hyper Celeste and then Final Celeste.
Also she killed your parents.
Also, the final fight takes place in a dike and the acrobatics become more difficult on account of how wet it is.
At the very least a leaderboard system that tracked times across each action-sequence – similar to the way Burnout Paradise records times between traffic lights - would have inspired greater replayability.
Did he just completely ignore the Time Attack mode?
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but that would be really kind of difficult to play with
Force everyone to get 3 monitors/screens, the center would be exactly the same as the view currently used. Then just add two cameras in game to each side of the head and that would translate to the other 2 screens. I know everyone wants 3 TV's. In my case I'd so have to convince the wife that all 3 need to match so I'd have three 61 inch DLP's. I would be in heaven there.
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I'm trying desperately to keep my hype down, but it's going to be tough for this game to live up to my expectations if I keep watching shit like this.
Truth. It's about as close to peripheral vision as you can get.
I don't think it's quite clicked with me though, control-wise. I've played through the demo twice now.
Such an amazing feeling of accomplishment.
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Portal was made by 8 full-time programmers, with a development time of 26 months. I think the budget was probably lower than you'd expect.
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Level editor I think is just not going to happen. I mean, maybe one of those like ones that technically is a level editor but is balls-hard to use, but not like a simple one that you can drag and drop in or something.
I went today to get Fallout 3 and pay off my TRU pre-order, and he was all like "Oh, you paid off Mirror's Edge, did you get the time trial code?" and proceeded to pull one out of nowhere, seemingly from his ass.
Can't wait to check this shit out.
Bad news: The demo is now live for Silver members, apparently.
My condolences.
EDIT: 1 Star rating, 1:38:30 on my second go.
My condolences is right. I just played through the demo an hour ago and was thoroughly impressed. Now I'm really torn: do I give up Gears 2 next month for Mirror's Edge?
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Yes.
Just look at it this way: Gears 2 is a slightly-improved Gears 1. Mirror's Edge is a completely new franchise.
it's remarkable how much time and effort is required to animate a character in a game like this, with all the context-sensitive motions and interactions with the environment and various forms of movement. the game would have been delayed a good long time, months at least, if they put in a full replay mode.
Slightly-improved doesn't seem fair. The level design is supposedly much better and it has a multiplayer mode that me in my non-multiplayer FPSness would actually play (Horde mode). I admit it does seem a little like Gears of War 1.5, but when the original game was such an excellent game to begin with, I'm perfectly fine with a version 1.5.
Hm...maybe Best Buy or some place will have a good doorbuster on Black Friday on one of both of these games and I'll be able to get both. I remember they had The Orange Box & Bioshock for $25 last year (PC versions true, but still).
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I'm kind of sidestepping the question, since Gears 2 and Mirror's Edge are the only two games I'm getting this month and next. I am taking Mirror's Edge over Prince of Persia and Tomb Raider, though. As much as I really want those other games, ME is a very radically different take on somewhat similar mechanics, plus there's the entire concept of flow and momentum that makes ME stand out. The last game to do that well was Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, and I loved the crap out of that game.
They said they had to cheat somewhat with the limb animations, so that while it looks great from a first-person perspective it would look pretty odd from a third-person perspective.
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And the first review for the full game that I've seen is out now: http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=976725
Summary:
8/10 Score
Great graphics & audio.
Controls well & immersive.
Story is good, but may be a little too low key for some.
Game can get to have a little too much trial-and-error.
Quality of the level design is all over the board with some levels being incredibly well designed experiences and others being so-so.
Their overall opinion seems to be that it's a very good game with some amazing moments, but it's a little lacking in polish. A good start to a new franchise.
Zeboyd Games Development Blog
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire, Facebook : Zeboyd Games
Define "low key".
"Low key" as in they don't cram everything down your throat and allow the player to fill in the blanks themselves?
That's not low key. That's just good writing.
This thing is slick and the girl may have delicately feathered hair, but I don't want JRPG like dialogue and plot arrangement thankyouverymuch.
Celeste turns out to be the main antagonist. You have to race her for the final 'boss fight'. You have to lap her (smirk and I stab you) 3 times while she transforms into Ultimate Celeste, Hyper Celeste and then Final Celeste.
Also she killed your parents.
Yeah, if you do a song name search, the list of acts who have written a song called "Still Alive" is looooong (Joe Jackson and Six Feet Under to name a few.)
That review could have done with a lot less of the Valve fanboyism. A few decent points were raised, but why compare it with HL2? The games are rather different in pretty much every aspect, including design aesthetics, gameplay, interface, plot(unless ME has aliens but I really doubt that,) characters, IT IS A DIFFERENT GENRE, etc. I was forced to scoff every time he mentioned HL2, since I had a completely different opinion of it than the reviewer did.
But it sounds good. I want this game now. Nowwww. Now!
Zeboyd Games Development Blog
Steam ID : rwb36, Twitter : Werezompire, Facebook : Zeboyd Games
SHOOT HER IN THE HEAD!
Yeah, when I read that part, my desire to buy this game just went up quite a bit.
Another review, this time from Playstation Official Magazine UK. 9/10. No direct link, but here's the blurb from Metacritic:
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Bitch, this ain't a cutscene!
This is an insightful observation on good game design.
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All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Did he just completely ignore the Time Attack mode?
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Not just because of the Turok platforming flashbacks, but because it gives me a headache just watching the trailers.