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"we'll run out of resources!" or "we've destroyed the planet!" or "we'll overpopulate!" are not problems solved by human colonization of outer space.
there is no, and make sure you get this, no way you can make human colonization of outer space resource viable in a way that solves any of those problems without also possessing technolgy that fixes those problems.
it's like saying "the land here is arid and too difficult to till. let us build tractors... so we can drive to more fertile land."
or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.
an efficient method of interstellar travel does not solve the problems of overpopulation or a ruined planet
Don't just assume we'll never figure out a way to efficiently travel interstellar distances. That just reeks of the same kind of mentality that could've prevented Colombus from setting sail to go kill indians and steal their gold.
kaz i want you to think hard about how those two things are completely different
they're not different at all from the way you're presenting it!
you're complaining about research done towards space travel is "dick waving." what the fuck did columbus set out to do, originally? who funded his expedition? what flag did he fly?
or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.
How do you solve the need for larger... tracts of land? You can't build a machine to make the planet bigger.
Yes, Pony. I know there's lots of empty space on the planet still. There's also lots of whales we can make lamp oil from left, too.
kaz, there's not much else out there except empty land.
i mean shit
there's lots of real estate on mars
and the moon
if you don't care much about having human skeletal structure anymore or visiting Earth again.
if you've got the technology to somehow turn the moon into a valid living environment
you could do the same thing to antarctica or greenland
and shit, it'd be easier!
or the sea!
i mean, fuck, most of our planet is ocean, our billions of people actually occupy a proportionally laughable amount of space on the Earth.
if you've got the tech to somehow turn a Venus colony into a valid place to live, then you've got the same tech to build a fantastic city underneath the ocean
except the undersea city is hundreds of times easier, better, and more resource intelligent
just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
if you've got the technology to build viable, life-enriching colonies in outer space, then you possess the same technology to do the same thing to every single part of the Earth
because every part of the Earth, from the bottom of the ocean to the center of the Antarctic, is more habitable than space.
Okay pony, we develop the technology to colonize Venus and instead use it to colonize the ocean. And when we've filled that spot up, what do we do next? Colonize the air?
Technology we develop for over there gets used here, until we need to go use it over there. It's kinda cyclical.
Okay pony, we develop the technology to colonize Venus and instead use it to colonize the ocean. And when we've filled that spot up, what do we do next? Colonize the air?
Technology we develop for over there gets used here, until we need to go use it over there. It's kinda cyclical.
or you could use this same supermagic technology to fix the problems that we're "solving" by space colonization.
How do you solve the need for larger... tracts of land? You can't build a machine to make the planet bigger.
Yes, Pony. I know there's lots of empty space on the planet still. There's also lots of whales we can make lamp oil from left, too.
kaz, there's not much else out there except empty land.
i mean shit
there's lots of real estate on mars
and the moon
if you don't care much about having human skeletal structure anymore or visiting Earth again.
if you've got the technology to somehow turn the moon into a valid living environment
you could do the same thing to antarctica or greenland
and shit, it'd be easier!
or the sea!
i mean, fuck, most of our planet is ocean, our billions of people actually occupy a proportionally laughable amount of space on the Earth.
if you've got the tech to somehow turn a Venus colony into a valid place to live, then you've got the same tech to build a fantastic city underneath the ocean
except the undersea city is hundreds of times easier, better, and more resource intelligent
you seem to forget that we need both living space and farm land to produce the incomprehensible amounts of food needed to feed 40 billion people.
There will be a point where we find ourselves at the limits of comfort. This point is way, way, way before the point where we fill space to maximum efficiency. And it's all it takes to drive some lazy fuckers to choose to live on Mars, rather than share a house with another family.
you seem to forget that we need both living space and farm land to produce the incomprehensible amounts of food needed to feed 40 billion people.
and you seem to forget there's no farm land on the moon!
and if you've got the technology to fucking make some, then you've got the same technology to build it on a strip of the god damn gobi desert
see how ridiculous this is?
you say "but we'll develop the technology to make space colonies viable, we will!" and i can swiftly respond "then you can use it to further colonize Earth in ways we didn't think possible before"
There will be a point where we find ourselves at the limits of comfort. This point is way, way, way before the point where we fill space to maximum efficiency. And it's all it takes to drive some lazy fuckers to choose to live on Mars, rather than share a house with another family.
hahahahahahaha
explain to me how living on a desolate rock of nothing is the reasonable option for the lazy man who isn't comfortable with being crowded
because i'll show you a guy i can sell some land in greenland
you want to colonize space, and in your heart, you want to believe there will be a valid reason to do so, and you are sitting here floundering trying to think of a way to make it make sense to a person who keeps reminding you that if you've got the technology to leave, then you might as well stay.
explain to me how living on a desolate rock of nothing is the reasonable option for the lazy man who isn't comfortable with being crowded
Do you know why a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats braved the motherfucking ocean for months to settle an inhospitable, unfamiliar land filled with hostile natives and unknown dangers?
It wasn't because they ran out of land in Europe. It wasn't because the place was overpopulated, or overfarmed. It was because they were being picked on.
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explain to me how living on a desolate rock of nothing is the reasonable option for the lazy man who isn't comfortable with being crowded
Do you know why a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats braved the motherfucking ocean for months to settle an inhospitable, unfamiliar land filled with hostile natives and unknown dangers?
It wasn't because they ran out of land in Europe. It wasn't because the place was overpopulated, or overfarmed. It was because they were being picked on.
and the fact that you can't see the difference between another continent and outer space is mind-blowing
colombus travelled west because he believed he'd find riches and sweet awesome indian ass (proper indians, not the indians he got)
the pilgrims travelled west because they thought they could make a new life for themselves on a new land.
those people had hopes and dreams.
if you look at the desolate nothing of mars and that gives you hopes and dreams, i don't think you're optimistic
i think you're delusional.
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the pilgrims travelled west because they thought they could make a new life for themselves on a new land.
those people had hopes and dreams.
If a group of people wanted to strike for Mars because they thought they could make a new life for themselves there, then goddamnit, I believe they could do it.
the pilgrims travelled west because they thought they could make a new life for themselves on a new land.
those people had hopes and dreams.
If a group of people wanted to strike for Mars because they thought they could make a new life for themselves there, then goddamnit, I believe they could do it.
I don't.
You can have all the hope and moxy you want.
Doesn't change the fact that you moved your family to a low-grav wasteland with no ability to sustain life just because you couldn't hack it on Earth.
I mean, think about what you are suggesting.
A future where a man has the resources and power to move himself and his kin to another planet, but not the resources or power to move himself to anywhere else on his planet, and why? Because he doesn't like the people here?
What kind of dystopian future do you envision, man?
and the fact that you can't see the difference between another continent and outer space is mind-blowing
You really think I don't see the difference between the two?
No, I do. I know how much more implausible the idea of living on another planet is. I outlined some of the prerequisites for a habitable environment earlier in the thread. You were there, you read it.
The difference between you and I is that I'd like to believe that, given the proper motivation, mankind can accomplish anything, no matter how wasteful or inefficient it is.
and the fact that you can't see the difference between another continent and outer space is mind-blowing
You really think I don't see the difference between the two?
No, I do. I know how much more implausible the idea of living on another planet is. I outlined some of the prerequisites for a habitable environment earlier in the thread. You were there, you read it.
The difference between you and I is that I'd like to believe that, given the proper motivation, mankind can accomplish anything, no matter how wasteful or inefficient it is.
Well, good for you. You believe people, by golly, have the ability to waste their time in spectacular ways.
What a novel and productive view of the future!
At least I'm honest about the aspects of my species I hold in contempt.
You try to pass off defeatism and a desire to see people waste their lives meaninglessly as romantic ideas of progress.
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an efficient method of interstellar travel does not solve the problems of overpopulation or a ruined planet
they're not different at all from the way you're presenting it!
you're complaining about research done towards space travel is "dick waving." what the fuck did columbus set out to do, originally? who funded his expedition? what flag did he fly?
kaz, there's not much else out there except empty land.
i mean shit
there's lots of real estate on mars
and the moon
if you don't care much about having human skeletal structure anymore or visiting Earth again.
if you've got the technology to somehow turn the moon into a valid living environment
you could do the same thing to antarctica or greenland
and shit, it'd be easier!
or the sea!
i mean, fuck, most of our planet is ocean, our billions of people actually occupy a proportionally laughable amount of space on the Earth.
if you've got the tech to somehow turn a Venus colony into a valid place to live, then you've got the same tech to build a fantastic city underneath the ocean
except the undersea city is hundreds of times easier, better, and more resource intelligent
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when something's a waste of time.
just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
if you've got the technology to build viable, life-enriching colonies in outer space, then you possess the same technology to do the same thing to every single part of the Earth
because every part of the Earth, from the bottom of the ocean to the center of the Antarctic, is more habitable than space.
fuck you i was referencing hosty duo
Technology we develop for over there gets used here, until we need to go use it over there. It's kinda cyclical.
you can sure as shit bet you'll come across solutions to things on Earth while getting there
i'm not.
i'm saying, it's stupid to do so when the same technology could be better used here.
I haven't a clue what this means.
Also, you can't waste time. It's a renewable resource!
do you honestly believe that will ever happen
that makes me laugh
the sun will burn itself out before that happens.
get some perspective, get a grip.
don't let highways and wal-marts fool you.
we occupy a ridiculously small part of the world
you seem to forget that we need both living space and farm land to produce the incomprehensible amounts of food needed to feed 40 billion people.
Human beings sure love to kill each other. Thats probably not going to change.
So, let's put up some links to awesome robots and stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf5szwz6Qzc
and you seem to forget there's no farm land on the moon!
and if you've got the technology to fucking make some, then you've got the same technology to build it on a strip of the god damn gobi desert
see how ridiculous this is?
you say "but we'll develop the technology to make space colonies viable, we will!" and i can swiftly respond "then you can use it to further colonize Earth in ways we didn't think possible before"
yeah but we fuck a lot faster than we kill.
Aw man, we made the atomic bomb for a reason
hahahahahahaha
explain to me how living on a desolate rock of nothing is the reasonable option for the lazy man who isn't comfortable with being crowded
because i'll show you a guy i can sell some land in greenland
you want to colonize space, and in your heart, you want to believe there will be a valid reason to do so, and you are sitting here floundering trying to think of a way to make it make sense to a person who keeps reminding you that if you've got the technology to leave, then you might as well stay.
Do you know why a bunch of dudes with belt-buckle hats braved the motherfucking ocean for months to settle an inhospitable, unfamiliar land filled with hostile natives and unknown dangers?
It wasn't because they ran out of land in Europe. It wasn't because the place was overpopulated, or overfarmed. It was because they were being picked on.
Changing the human being is much more awesome
Go Queen.
Composers all over the world just felt that slight tingle in their sack that their job will be replaced by short robots.
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Oh god, you know what? I heard about this on the radio, and they interviewed a conductor, and he was like "No, I don't think robots will replace us."
and the fact that you can't see the difference between another continent and outer space is mind-blowing
colombus travelled west because he believed he'd find riches and sweet awesome indian ass (proper indians, not the indians he got)
the pilgrims travelled west because they thought they could make a new life for themselves on a new land.
those people had hopes and dreams.
if you look at the desolate nothing of mars and that gives you hopes and dreams, i don't think you're optimistic
i think you're delusional.
Thats what carmakers said! They're doomed I tells ya...
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If a group of people wanted to strike for Mars because they thought they could make a new life for themselves there, then goddamnit, I believe they could do it.
I don't.
You can have all the hope and moxy you want.
Doesn't change the fact that you moved your family to a low-grav wasteland with no ability to sustain life just because you couldn't hack it on Earth.
I mean, think about what you are suggesting.
A future where a man has the resources and power to move himself and his kin to another planet, but not the resources or power to move himself to anywhere else on his planet, and why? Because he doesn't like the people here?
What kind of dystopian future do you envision, man?
You really think I don't see the difference between the two?
No, I do. I know how much more implausible the idea of living on another planet is. I outlined some of the prerequisites for a habitable environment earlier in the thread. You were there, you read it.
The difference between you and I is that I'd like to believe that, given the proper motivation, mankind can accomplish anything, no matter how wasteful or inefficient it is.
I'll say.
Can we resume talking about awesome future stuff now?
It doesn't matter. All that matters is that someone wants it to be done.
Well, good for you. You believe people, by golly, have the ability to waste their time in spectacular ways.
What a novel and productive view of the future!
At least I'm honest about the aspects of my species I hold in contempt.
You try to pass off defeatism and a desire to see people waste their lives meaninglessly as romantic ideas of progress.
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