Is there a way to make a meaningful punishment that's between Jailed and Banned? I was thinking of, I don't know, Prison'd, which would just be longer post times and no new topics, but I thinking over it I don't know that it would be a meaningful rank, as it were.
Another thing that I'd consider amending is the jail system. Most of the people who are jailled are done so accordingly. I wouldn't mind having a break from them for 3-5 days.
Are you saying that a jailing should function as a temp ban?
I'm saying get rid of the word "jail" and just use "ban". Then have a field to put an integer between 1 and 5 to be used at the mod's discression.
I've noticed that once in a while, somebody will get jailed and the mod won't say why in the thread (or maybe they will after 20 or 30 minutes have gone by).
One thing that's very high on the mod wishlist is a link in the jail message to the post that the mod jailed for, and a comment field to write something about the reason.
Another thing that I'd consider amending is the jail system. Most of the people who are jailled are done so accordingly. I wouldn't mind having a break from them for 3-5 days.
Are you saying that a jailing should function as a temp ban?
Or that instead of jailing just ban them. I think there's only a small percentage of people who are really bothered by a jailing. For most it's just effective enough to make them have to redo their avatar/sig selections, because the rest of it doesn't affect them that much.
It was very annoying to be jailed during a big posting event like E3, but not annoying enough to make me change anything major. Its still a good idea in practice, but breaking spoilers is kind of a bad thing, as shown by that zelda thread.
Another thing that I'd consider amending is the jail system. Most of the people who are jailled are done so accordingly. I wouldn't mind having a break from them for 3-5 days.
Are you saying that a jailing should function as a temp ban?
Or that instead of jailing just ban them. I think there's only a small percentage of people who are really bothered by a jailing. For most it's just effective enough to make them have to redo their avatar/sig selections, because the rest of it doesn't affect them that much.
I was bothered the one time I was jailed
I got the PM saying I'd been jailed and I was all "oh shit what did I do "
Another thing that I'd consider amending is the jail system. Most of the people who are jailled are done so accordingly. I wouldn't mind having a break from them for 3-5 days.
Are you saying that a jailing should function as a temp ban?
Or that instead of jailing just ban them. I think there's only a small percentage of people who are really bothered by a jailing. For most it's just effective enough to make them have to redo their avatar/sig selections, because the rest of it doesn't affect them that much.
I was bothered the one time I was jailed
I got the PM saying I'd been jailed and I was all "oh shit what did I do "
You should have been banned for spoiling the ending of Mother 3, forever! :P :P :P
When a thread was jailed, lot's of spoiler tags were unbbcoded. Maybe only disabling the sig and avatar, and adding the post timer would work?
Actually, yeah, that would be nice. I was once jailed for about 45 minutes because a mod thought I was spoiling something and I wasn't and it created a minor shitstorm elsewhere because suddenly all my tags were undone and a cornucopia of spoilers rained down on the masses.
I've noticed that once in a while, somebody will get jailed and the mod won't say why in the thread (or maybe they will after 20 or 30 minutes have gone by).
One thing that's very high on the mod wishlist is a link in the jail message to the post that the mod jailed for, and a comment field to write something about the reason.
Do you mean the jail system automessage PM, or the "Jailed by..." tag in the user's profile?
The jailee can just PM the mod and ask what they did if they're unsure. That's more work for the mod and opens up the possibility for bullshit drama over PM, but that's not what concerns me right now. I'm more talking about a scenario where Alice gets jailed for making a joke deemed "thread derailment," then Bob comes in 20 minutes later, sees that Alice has been jailed but no mod's posted in the thread, assumes that Alice was jailed in a different thread, and riffs off the same joke. Bob then gets jailed for thread derailment. Like I said, it doesn't happen very often. I'm just encouraging the mods to consistently communicate to the community when dispensing punishment.
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Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
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Another thing that I'd consider amending is the jail system. Most of the people who are jailled are done so accordingly. I wouldn't mind having a break from them for 3-5 days.
Uh, so uh
a ban?
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Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Broken bbcode is just as annoying to the rest of us as it is to the offender.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Broken bbcode is just as annoying to the rest of us as it is to the offender.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
It's never going to be scrapped completely, I don't think. Or at least, not any time soon. It's valuable as a kill switch for goatse spammers, for instance. But where and how it's used is certainly a valid matter for discussion I think, and I just started such a thread in the mod forum based on this.
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People are splintering out of G&T for a reason. One of the reasons is there are way too many games being played on way too many systems to have one thread per game and really expect that thread to be visible for any amount of time.
I can't delve much more into this, or I'll be banned. Hence my original suggestion.
Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Broken bbcode is just as annoying to the rest of us as it is to the offender.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
Which it would, by the way. I think jailing with a more humiliating avatar, and a post per day limit would be much more effective than what we have now. The only bbcode that should be on are the spoiler and realspoiler tags, because we know what a rash of jailings could do to a thread thats heavy on the spoilers.
Isn't the bantron a bitch to use a lot of the time, though
God, yes. Thanks to the recent purge of 36k old accounts it's now down to a mere 9 pages to scroll through. But you still have to go "His name begins with M... that should be around page 4 or 5..." if you want to check if someone has a previous ban.
Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Broken bbcode is just as annoying to the rest of us as it is to the offender.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
The inability to quote is also irritating to all involved and not just the punished person. As is the weird formatting imposed. I'd suggest just disabling certain tags (stuff like images and the like) if that's possible and leaving the default formatting, quotes, and spoilers be. Of course, I don't know how it's implemented so don't know if that'd require code-reworking or just deleting a couple of variables.
Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
I don't like it, simply because banning should be saved for major offenses. Abandoning jailing would lead either to more minor offenses being unchecked, or an increase in banned members for minor offences.
I just think you should change the jail criteria. Like Sixfortyfive said, breaking bbcode is more annoying for others than it is the jailee. Jailed people can't make new topics maybe?
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Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Isn't the bantron a bitch to use a lot of the time, though
It's more effort, yeah. It takes a good six or more clicks, and then you have to come in here and post about it and all that.
I think also, as Echo hinted, there's a certain psychological aspect ingrained where it's thought that jailing is less severe and should be used more commonly for the less severe infractions.
Shorter temp bans combined with significant increases in ban time for repeat offenders is an idea that I'm not entirely opposed to, though.
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People are splintering out of G&T for a reason. One of the reasons is there are way too many games being played on way too many systems to have one thread per game and really expect that thread to be visible for any amount of time.
I can't delve much more into this, or I'll be banned. Hence my original suggestion.
If you are concerned about being banned, PM the rest of your thoughts on the matter to a mod. I feel reasonbly sure no one has ever been banned for a PM in such context.
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I think he wants a return of the M***threads, which probably isn't going to happen. I think he is right to a certain degree, G&T at least needs more moderators, and some fresh blood might be able to change the mood a bit.
Many mods have expressed feelings that the jail system doesn't really work the way we're intended.
Sometimes I use it just because it's there and, well, a jailing is less serious than a ban, mirite?
That's what needs a good rethinking.
Well my reasoning behind it is that people who get jailled consitently are usually people I don't like having around.
If they're gone for 3-5 days it would serve the purpose of telling them what they did was in poor judgement as well as give me and others who share my opinion a sort of vacation.
Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Broken bbcode is just as annoying to the rest of us as it is to the offender.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
The inability to quote is also irritating to all involved and not just the punished person. As is the weird formatting imposed. I'd suggest just disabling certain tags (stuff like images and the like) if that's possible and leaving the default formatting, quotes, and spoilers be. Of course, I don't know how it's implemented so don't know if that'd require code-reworking or just deleting a couple of variables.
Honestly, I see the merit in moving away from jailing and towards temp banning. I think it would be interesting to poll where forumers stood on the matter, as to which they felt better served the forums as a whole. I'm not saying that's what any decision on the matter would be based on, but I think it'd be an interesting and probably important point in any discussion related to such a decision.
Broken bbcode is just as annoying to the rest of us as it is to the offender.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
The inability to quote is also irritating to all involved and not just the punished person. As is the weird formatting imposed. I'd suggest just disabling certain tags (stuff like images and the like) if that's possible and leaving the default formatting, quotes, and spoilers be. Of course, I don't know how it's implemented so don't know if that'd require code-reworking or just deleting a couple of variables.
Not possible, at all. Jailing kills it all and that's the only way it's going to work because of the way the code is. Alpha's commented on this before in the MD and mod forum. It comes up on about an annual basis, I'd say.
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I think he wants a return of the M***threads, which probably isn't going to happen. I think he is right to a certain degree, G&T at least needs more moderators, and some fresh blood might be able to change the mood a bit.
I'm not necessarily arguing for the return, but it's certainly changed the atmosphere of G&T. We don't have the culture that SE++ does, because by definition we have to be splintered across hundreds of game threads.
Some of the recent modding hasn't helped this culture stay in tact.
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Many mods have expressed feelings that the jail system doesn't really work the way we're intended.
Sometimes I use it just because it's there and, well, a jailing is less serious than a ban, mirite?
That's what needs a good rethinking.
I'd suggest tweaking exactly what a jailing entails.
*Keep spoiler bbcode intact (for everyone's sake), break all other bbcode. (Would require some recoding, but man would it be worth it.)
*Can't start new topics.
*May only post once per thread page (just off the top of my head, would probably be a bitch and a half to actually code).
I'd think that would be effective enough.
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I think he wants a return of the M***threads, which probably isn't going to happen. I think he is right to a certain degree, G&T at least needs more moderators, and some fresh blood might be able to change the mood a bit.
As a huge contributor to one of the major megathreads i'll pipe in and say that i'll be glad when megathreads in their current state are gone. Mostly because the conversation devolves from anticipation to inane "this system is awesome" or "what controller should I purchase" type threads after said system launches. It's already happening to the Wii and PS3 threads.
That said, certain community aspect threads, like XBOX Live and Wii code threads should stay live indefinitely, imo.
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I'm saying get rid of the word "jail" and just use "ban". Then have a field to put an integer between 1 and 5 to be used at the mod's discression.
One thing that's very high on the mod wishlist is a link in the jail message to the post that the mod jailed for, and a comment field to write something about the reason.
It was very annoying to be jailed during a big posting event like E3, but not annoying enough to make me change anything major. Its still a good idea in practice, but breaking spoilers is kind of a bad thing, as shown by that zelda thread.
I was bothered the one time I was jailed
I got the PM saying I'd been jailed and I was all "oh shit what did I do
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You should have been banned for spoiling the ending of Mother 3, forever! :P :P :P
Actually, yeah, that would be nice. I was once jailed for about 45 minutes because a mod thought I was spoiling something and I wasn't and it created a minor shitstorm elsewhere because suddenly all my tags were undone and a cornucopia of spoilers rained down on the masses.
Do you mean the jail system automessage PM, or the "Jailed by..." tag in the user's profile?
The jailee can just PM the mod and ask what they did if they're unsure. That's more work for the mod and opens up the possibility for bullshit drama over PM, but that's not what concerns me right now. I'm more talking about a scenario where Alice gets jailed for making a joke deemed "thread derailment," then Bob comes in 20 minutes later, sees that Alice has been jailed but no mod's posted in the thread, assumes that Alice was jailed in a different thread, and riffs off the same joke. Bob then gets jailed for thread derailment. Like I said, it doesn't happen very often. I'm just encouraging the mods to consistently communicate to the community when dispensing punishment.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
State your reasoning. You have 20 seconds to comply.
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I can't say much in 20 seconds, but there's obviously some unrest here.
We couldn't just can everyone, but perhaps a new overall philosophy needs to be realized.
Oh, well if there's obviously unrest then yeah, scrap the whole thing.
How about you start erring on the side of explaining yourself and providing constructive contributions
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Again, I can't say much in 20 seconds.
I support scrapping it as long as it doesn't lead to a rash of bans for extremely minor offenses.
Okay.
If you make another post about Echo's 20 seconds joke as if he were being serious, I'm banning you until the pain you're causing to my brain ceases.
He was not being serious.
Now either explain yourself and start contributing or find somewhere else to muppet about.
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forget the 20 second thing, just make with the typing.
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Sometimes I use it just because it's there and, well, a jailing is less serious than a ban, mirite?
That's what needs a good rethinking.
It's never going to be scrapped completely, I don't think. Or at least, not any time soon. It's valuable as a kill switch for goatse spammers, for instance. But where and how it's used is certainly a valid matter for discussion I think, and I just started such a thread in the mod forum based on this.
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I can't delve much more into this, or I'll be banned. Hence my original suggestion.
Which it would, by the way. I think jailing with a more humiliating avatar, and a post per day limit would be much more effective than what we have now. The only bbcode that should be on are the spoiler and realspoiler tags, because we know what a rash of jailings could do to a thread thats heavy on the spoilers.
God, yes. Thanks to the recent purge of 36k old accounts it's now down to a mere 9 pages to scroll through. But you still have to go "His name begins with M... that should be around page 4 or 5..." if you want to check if someone has a previous ban.
The inability to quote is also irritating to all involved and not just the punished person. As is the weird formatting imposed. I'd suggest just disabling certain tags (stuff like images and the like) if that's possible and leaving the default formatting, quotes, and spoilers be. Of course, I don't know how it's implemented so don't know if that'd require code-reworking or just deleting a couple of variables.
I don't like it, simply because banning should be saved for major offenses. Abandoning jailing would lead either to more minor offenses being unchecked, or an increase in banned members for minor offences.
I just think you should change the jail criteria. Like Sixfortyfive said, breaking bbcode is more annoying for others than it is the jailee. Jailed people can't make new topics maybe?
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I think also, as Echo hinted, there's a certain psychological aspect ingrained where it's thought that jailing is less severe and should be used more commonly for the less severe infractions.
Shorter temp bans combined with significant increases in ban time for repeat offenders is an idea that I'm not entirely opposed to, though.
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If you are concerned about being banned, PM the rest of your thoughts on the matter to a mod. I feel reasonbly sure no one has ever been banned for a PM in such context.
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I think he wants a return of the M***threads, which probably isn't going to happen. I think he is right to a certain degree, G&T at least needs more moderators, and some fresh blood might be able to change the mood a bit.
Well my reasoning behind it is that people who get jailled consitently are usually people I don't like having around.
If they're gone for 3-5 days it would serve the purpose of telling them what they did was in poor judgement as well as give me and others who share my opinion a sort of vacation.
Not possible, at all. Jailing kills it all and that's the only way it's going to work because of the way the code is. Alpha's commented on this before in the MD and mod forum. It comes up on about an annual basis, I'd say.
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I'd say that mod rotation would be a good thing. When people stay too much time in power, they become arrogant.
A whole new mod team? Nah, too drastic. One or two old mods stepping down and new people coming in every six or twelve months? Much better.
Of course, the people in power jumped at me when I first suggested it. This is only proof.
I'm not necessarily arguing for the return, but it's certainly changed the atmosphere of G&T. We don't have the culture that SE++ does, because by definition we have to be splintered across hundreds of game threads.
Some of the recent modding hasn't helped this culture stay in tact.
*Keep spoiler bbcode intact (for everyone's sake), break all other bbcode. (Would require some recoding, but man would it be worth it.)
*Can't start new topics.
*May only post once per thread page (just off the top of my head, would probably be a bitch and a half to actually code).
I'd think that would be effective enough.
Are you not at all open to the possibility that it's simply a bad idea?
As a huge contributor to one of the major megathreads i'll pipe in and say that i'll be glad when megathreads in their current state are gone. Mostly because the conversation devolves from anticipation to inane "this system is awesome" or "what controller should I purchase" type threads after said system launches. It's already happening to the Wii and PS3 threads.
That said, certain community aspect threads, like XBOX Live and Wii code threads should stay live indefinitely, imo.
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