Putting Sinestro in an Infinite Sue Loop isn't Loki's style.
What is his style is either, shapeshifting into Halallax or making every single Thanagarian look like him or making it appear like Loki is being attacked by a phantasmal Halallax, which might cause Sinestro to spring to his aid, at which point Loki gets the drop on him.
Would Loki be able to trick Sinestro into believing that his constructs weren't there? Or would his willpower override that?
To be honest, everytime I think about Lex in this fight my mind goes to DCAU. The Return (I think) and Destroyer episodes specifically. Just so long as Lex doesn't get near Ra's and has a few minutes alone, I'm certain he can pull something off, even if it is something like a string tied to a door tied to the trigger of a gun.
i'm pretty sure reed doesn't actually have an ultimate nullifier, since it's like a chunk of galactus' living body or something
Oh man...
You don't know Lex at ALL...
Seriously, he'll be all hacking Reed's computer's, and all of a sudden, he'll be all "OH SHIT, ULTIMATE NULLIFIER"....
Then he'll just say "Fuck the fight, I'm finding the Ultimate Nullifier"
but see that doesn't make any sense, because i don't think reed has one and lex can't leave the building to go get one
Sorry, I was trying to be, oh, what do people call it...
Oh! Humerous!
Didn't go over very well .
Yeah, getting the UN is out of the option, however, I can TOTALLY see Lex going after the thing that can cancel out anything, even if he did lose the fight.
However, since I am now required to actually post somthing of merit, I can see lex Teleporting in various dangerous people/creatures for Ra's to die to, all the while combing Reed's files for anything worth merit.
Hell, I can see him just grabbing a Fantasticar and ruining Ra's shit with it.
I'm really not grasping the reasoning you guys are throwing out here. Yes Lex is a genius. Yes, he could easily figure out how to use whatever he finds. But why is everyone assuming Ra's is just going to leave him alone to go explore the building? Genius or not, it would take Lex at least minute or two to figure out what the hell a particular item or computer DOES, let alone how to operate it. It's not like Reed Richards has giant fucking signs hung up everywhere explaining everything. Ra's might not be a tech genius, but he's no idiot. There's no way he gives Luthor any breathing room to work with.
I'm really not grasping the reasoning you guys are throwing out here. Yes Lex is a genius. Yes, he could easily figure out how to use whatever he finds. But why is everyone assuming Ra's is just going to leave him alone to go explore the building? Genius or not, it would take Lex at least minute or two to figure out what the hell a particular item or computer DOES, let alone how to operate it. It's not like Reed Richards has giant fucking signs hung up everywhere explaining everything. Ra's might not be a tech genius, but he's no idiot. There's no way he gives Luthor any breathing room to work with.
the baxter building is pretty effing big. assuming they don't start out face to face, it could take them a while to even find one another, and as other people have said, lex (or ra's really) could barricade himself in a room while he slaps together another time machine made of orange juice.
See I always assumed the two fighters always started at least within sight of each other. That kind of makes a big difference in a fight like this. Anybody know the "official" ruling?
If all the fighters started at arm's length, it would make the fights a lot shorter and pretty much negate the purpose of choosing an arena other than just a gladiator ring.
well even so, lex could just pop off a couple of .45s to keep ra's head down while he ran up some stairs or something
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They both start off witha a gun and a rapier. Who's the better shot? Lex would be able to get some cool tech going, but its not like he'll be able to make a tech suit or anything. Ra's being on par with batman in a lot of areas, could easily get the drop on Lex for the win I'm thinking. I think Ra's could keep away/dodge/evade most security system stuff, although eventually he would slip up.
I really think it depends on if they see each other or not. If Lex goes 'control the security system' route, he will win. But if they meet in person I'd have to give it to Ra's.
But wait, they're both in the Baxter Building with the aforementioned security systems (ie. lasers and shit). Security systems generally attempt to keep intruders out, so wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that the building's defenses would be going apeshit and trying to take them both out?
If so, it'd make this fight a shit-ton more awesome than it already is.
But wait, they're both in the Baxter Building with the aforementioned security systems (ie. lasers and shit). Security systems generally attempt to keep intruders out, so wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that the building's defenses would be going apeshit and trying to take them both out?
If so, it'd make this fight a shit-ton more awesome than it already is.
Well, Lex would be more likely to hijack it before it could do much harm to him, seeing as he almost definitely has a similar system installed in several of his own facilities.
But wait, they're both in the Baxter Building with the aforementioned security systems (ie. lasers and shit). Security systems generally attempt to keep intruders out, so wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that the building's defenses would be going apeshit and trying to take them both out?
If so, it'd make this fight a shit-ton more awesome than it already is.
Well, Lex would be more likely to hijack it before it could do much harm to him, seeing as he almost definitely has a similar system installed in several of his own facilities.
I dunno, during that "short time" of Lex trying to hack the security system, the ensuing chaos and assumed power outage could give Ra's a pretty significant advantage. For the reals.
I think it's pretty obvious that for the first fight, Loki will win.
God of mischief makes everyone on Thanagar appear to look like Loki to Sinestro. After killing a great deal of the birdmen, Thanagar declares war on Sinestro and should eventually kill him or be weakened enough for Loki to come over and kick to death.
All I know is I want Lex to dive behind a desk while at the same time firing dual-wielded pistols.
And there should be an explosion in the background.
And Doves.
Shit, I think Reed might have a John Woo machine on.
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Sinestro is an evil galactic warlord who's held whole planets in his grasp.
Loki is a snivelling kid who loses to *everybody*. If Sinestro could whip up a construct Thor, Loki would wet his pants and run away.
Sinestro wins.
As for Lex/Ra's
Anywhere but Lexcorp or the Baxter Building, and Ra's wins. In the Baxter Building, all Lex has to do is buy time/escape the first encounter, and he's got all the aces and then some.
Loki to win the first match.
Seriously, on a populated planet where the only rule is that you can't leave, how the hell is sinestro supposed to know where to strike? Loki will win, but this fight will probably take a LONG time. I'm talking about years maybe before loki gets the lucky shot in(or, atleast, someone that he tricked into attacking sinestro). If Loki never gets a shot in, sinestro eventually dies of old age. Loki still wins.
Lex for the second match
It all depends how far apart they start. Its a big arena, so I'm gonna assume they start atleast outside of visual range. Assuming they start far apart, one of two things will happen. Lex will either take control of the security system and laser Ra's from behind, or this fight will turn into a weird episode of battlebots, which Lex would win at. If they start within visual range, I don't think Lex has that much of a chance. Ra's beats him in every aspect of pistol/sword fighting from what I understand. Still, big arena, I'm betting on the first scenario.
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No lethal laser in the Baxter Building security system arsenal.
Not until Lex hacks into the safety protocols anyway. Remove the regulators, crank the voltage up. It may only fire once before overloading or breaking, but I think he could do it.
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No lethal laser in the Baxter Building security system arsenal.
Not until Lex hacks into the safety protocols anyway. Remove the regulators, crank the voltage up. It may only fire once before overloading or breaking, but I think he could do it.
How would he hack the safety protocols? The Baxter Building doesn't have a security room because there are no security guards. I'm pretty sure that the only one who can change the system is Reed through voice commands and maybe devices he keep on his person.
Furthermore, when the FF employs tons of humans and is regularly visited by an elderly mailman I'm pretty sure even non-lethal lasers are out of the question since they could easily do permanent damage to a frail human being.
And if there were laser guns on the ceilings, wouldn't Ra's notice them and be smart enough to move outside their small range?
Furthermore, when the FF employs tons of humans and is regularly visited by an elderly mailman I'm pretty sure even non-lethal lasers are out of the question since they could easily do permanent damage to a frail human being.
that's the kind of attitude that gets your nuclear robots stolen by aim
I was really just using lasers as an example. It doesn't have to be lasers. It can be an electrical charge through the floor, lasers, robot ninjas, funky purple knockout gas... whatever.
... and in a recent issue of something(can't remember the title), a kid hack's Reed's computer from an outside phone line, even thought reed is sititng tight in front of the computer at the time and was actively trying to convince the hacker to stop. I'm sure Lex could get even greater results considering he'll be inside the structure.
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Found where i saw the kid hack the computer. It was in Hulk 100. His name was Cho and he's apparently the 7th smartest kid on earth(in 616 marvel anyway). He actually read how to do it from the notes of bruce banner and then used Banner's encrypted emergency line to the F4 to get in. He was able to move freely around Reed's systems, even though Reed heard the phone ring and was trying his hardest to shut the kid down. Like someone else said before... Reed sucks at making his computer systems hacker-proof. If lex can find an active computer terminal in the building, he should be able take control. Almost every time I've seen interior shots of the baxter building theres a computer terminal that Reed is working on or theres one in the background. I thought Lex was one of the biggest technical geniuses on the DCU's earth.
I still think the fight between Lex and Ra's would depend on how far apart they are at the beginning. If Lex can take control of the building's computers before Ra's finds him, Lex will win. If not, Ra's will destroy him.
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Loki to win the first match.
Seriously, on a populated planet where the only rule is that you can't leave, how the hell is sinestro supposed to know where to strike? Loki will win, but this fight will probably take a LONG time. I'm talking about years maybe before loki gets the lucky shot in(or, atleast, someone that he tricked into attacking sinestro). If Loki never gets a shot in, sinestro eventually dies of old age. Loki still wins.
Why wouldn't Sinestro just, you know, kill everybody?
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Why?
Well, he whips up an illusion Halallax beating the everloving shit out of him, over....and over.....and over....
Sinestro has a huge bank of willpower, but I'm pretty sure re-living your death an infinity amount of times would break you EVENTUALLY.
Ra's Vs. Lex?
Lex finds the Ultimate Nullifier....
Game over...Tournament over...Lex Luthor wins...
Then Talia stabs him through the throat for no apparent reason
What is his style is either, shapeshifting into Halallax or making every single Thanagarian look like him or making it appear like Loki is being attacked by a phantasmal Halallax, which might cause Sinestro to spring to his aid, at which point Loki gets the drop on him.
I'm glad you decided to contribute.
it needed to be said
Would Loki be able to trick Sinestro into believing that his constructs weren't there? Or would his willpower override that?
To be honest, everytime I think about Lex in this fight my mind goes to DCAU. The Return (I think) and Destroyer episodes specifically. Just so long as Lex doesn't get near Ra's and has a few minutes alone, I'm certain he can pull something off, even if it is something like a string tied to a door tied to the trigger of a gun.
He's Aunt Petunia Favorite Ever-lovin', Blue-Eyed Theft Deterrent.
Oh man...
You don't know Lex at ALL...
Seriously, he'll be all hacking Reed's computer's, and all of a sudden, he'll be all "OH SHIT, ULTIMATE NULLIFIER"....
Then he'll just say "Fuck the fight, I'm finding the Ultimate Nullifier"
Or he'll just teleport Blaastar...
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into the Baxter building while he just chills in the N-zone, sipping on some margarita's with Annihilus.
but see that doesn't make any sense, because i don't think reed has one and lex can't leave the building to go get one
'cept he's not allowed to leave. Lex is a pretty rude dude, but he knows that rules is rules.
Maybe Loki will make some thanagarian look like himself, whom Sinestro will kill. Than, feeling satisfied, he leaves the planet and gets disqualified.
Sorry, I was trying to be, oh, what do people call it...
Oh! Humerous!
Didn't go over very well
Yeah, getting the UN is out of the option, however, I can TOTALLY see Lex going after the thing that can cancel out anything, even if he did lose the fight.
However, since I am now required to actually post somthing of merit, I can see lex Teleporting in various dangerous people/creatures for Ra's to die to, all the while combing Reed's files for anything worth merit.
Hell, I can see him just grabbing a Fantasticar and ruining Ra's shit with it.
R'as = Chem++, Tech+
This shouldn't even be an issue - Lex will be right at home with all the tech Reed's got hanging around the office.
Glorious.
Yeah. I'm a big supporter of the Lex tech theory. Everything in the building is his plaything.
I'm going to have to go with Loki for the first match, too.
the baxter building is pretty effing big. assuming they don't start out face to face, it could take them a while to even find one another, and as other people have said, lex (or ra's really) could barricade himself in a room while he slaps together another time machine made of orange juice.
I really think it depends on if they see each other or not. If Lex goes 'control the security system' route, he will win. But if they meet in person I'd have to give it to Ra's.
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If so, it'd make this fight a shit-ton more awesome than it already is.
And there should be an explosion in the background.
Well, Lex would be more likely to hijack it before it could do much harm to him, seeing as he almost definitely has a similar system installed in several of his own facilities.
I dunno, during that "short time" of Lex trying to hack the security system, the ensuing chaos and assumed power outage could give Ra's a pretty significant advantage. For the reals.
God of mischief makes everyone on Thanagar appear to look like Loki to Sinestro. After killing a great deal of the birdmen, Thanagar declares war on Sinestro and should eventually kill him or be weakened enough for Loki to come over and kick to death.
And Doves.
Shit, I think Reed might have a John Woo machine on.
Loki is a snivelling kid who loses to *everybody*. If Sinestro could whip up a construct Thor, Loki would wet his pants and run away.
Sinestro wins.
As for Lex/Ra's
Anywhere but Lexcorp or the Baxter Building, and Ra's wins. In the Baxter Building, all Lex has to do is buy time/escape the first encounter, and he's got all the aces and then some.
Goin with Luthor
Seriously, on a populated planet where the only rule is that you can't leave, how the hell is sinestro supposed to know where to strike? Loki will win, but this fight will probably take a LONG time. I'm talking about years maybe before loki gets the lucky shot in(or, atleast, someone that he tricked into attacking sinestro). If Loki never gets a shot in, sinestro eventually dies of old age. Loki still wins.
Lex for the second match
It all depends how far apart they start. Its a big arena, so I'm gonna assume they start atleast outside of visual range. Assuming they start far apart, one of two things will happen. Lex will either take control of the security system and laser Ra's from behind, or this fight will turn into a weird episode of battlebots, which Lex would win at. If they start within visual range, I don't think Lex has that much of a chance. Ra's beats him in every aspect of pistol/sword fighting from what I understand. Still, big arena, I'm betting on the first scenario.
Not until Lex hacks into the safety protocols anyway. Remove the regulators, crank the voltage up. It may only fire once before overloading or breaking, but I think he could do it.
How would he hack the safety protocols? The Baxter Building doesn't have a security room because there are no security guards. I'm pretty sure that the only one who can change the system is Reed through voice commands and maybe devices he keep on his person.
Furthermore, when the FF employs tons of humans and is regularly visited by an elderly mailman I'm pretty sure even non-lethal lasers are out of the question since they could easily do permanent damage to a frail human being.
And if there were laser guns on the ceilings, wouldn't Ra's notice them and be smart enough to move outside their small range?
that's the kind of attitude that gets your nuclear robots stolen by aim
... and in a recent issue of something(can't remember the title), a kid hack's Reed's computer from an outside phone line, even thought reed is sititng tight in front of the computer at the time and was actively trying to convince the hacker to stop. I'm sure Lex could get even greater results considering he'll be inside the structure.
I still think the fight between Lex and Ra's would depend on how far apart they are at the beginning. If Lex can take control of the building's computers before Ra's finds him, Lex will win. If not, Ra's will destroy him.
Why wouldn't Sinestro just, you know, kill everybody?