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You try to scream.. but terror takes the sound before you make it [MJ IS DEAD]

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Atomic Ross wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Name two.

    Well, his sister for one.

    I'm not sure she was beaten mercilessly by their father.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    And all the adults cried because there's one less person to exploit.

    Sheep on
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    DarkWarrior wrote: »
    Fuck off Fireflash.

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    If he was a pedophile, having a fucked up childhood doesn't excuse his behavior; he's still a human being and still must be held responsible for his actions (legally and socially). So no, he doesn't get a free pass, even posthumously, if that is the case.

    Of course, that's a big "if". Regardless, the man sure could sing, and dance, and I'll always appreciate his work wherever he might have stood as a person.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    And all the children cheered as one less sexual predator walks the earth.

    see, this kind of thing

    it just seems malicious to me

    i mean sure, i had that kind of gut reaction too

    but it's a pretty bad way of looking at things, as a whole

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Those CPR stats though would presumably result in people dying, and if his father is saying anything post his arrival in hospital surely that implies that he's no dead yet.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah of course because he's a celebrity we have to forget he's a freak that touches children.

    If a random creepy old pedo down the street dies nobody feels bad for him, but Oh oh! A celebrity! It's special treatment Ahoy!

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So as long as you entertain people, it's perfectly fine to do something horrible to an innocent?

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    He died of a broken heart.

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  • WazzaWazza Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    He's dead, Jim

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash, if there was confirmed news he was a peadophile then thered be no doubt.

    SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Yeah of course because he's a celebrity we have to forget he's a freak that touches children.

    If a random creepy old pedo down the street dies nobody feels bad for him, but Oh oh! A celebrity! It's special treatment Ahoy!

    Random creepy old pedo down the street didn't write one of the greatest albums of all time.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Those CPR stats though would presumably result in people dying, and if his father is saying anything post his arrival in hospital surely that implies that he's no dead yet.

    No, it just means that they're still doing CPR. Most CPR cases, even after the ambulance arrives, last about 30 minutes. And if it's Jackson? They'll do it for two hours if there's the slightest sign of life.


    But TMZ has already confirmed his death, so I'm not holding my breath.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    To be honest, I think he would've been better off if he'd died in, like, '88 or something. I'm not saying he was a pedophile, but he was definitely creepy and disturbing from the 90s on. When people think of Michael Jackson, they'll think of the weird plastic white-black dude who had sleepovers with kids first, and his great music just second.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    So as long as you entertain people, it's perfectly fine to do something horrible to an innocent?

    No, but there's never been any definitive proof that he ever did anything to anyone. And you'd think, with the hundreds of kids to come through Neverland Ranch, there would have been SOMETHING.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    perhaps i am one of the only people in this thread who can actually take pity on a person who has had a pretty shitty life and dealt with it really poorly.

    if he did what was accused, which is a big and highly dubious if, of course he should be held accountable for it

    but wishing malice and suffering on a person like that just sorta speaks poorly of someone

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  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Nobody's excusing the alleged behavior, for god's sake. Why can't somebody say something that illustrates how multi-dimensional his behavior appeared to be without being accused of excusing him? Shit ain't black and white, people. We can learn from people like MJ, not just level insults and accusations and call him a monster or a predator. There's more to it than that, and if nothing else, MJ's actions were never coupled with violent abuse as far as I know.

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Yeah of course because he's a celebrity we have to forget he's a freak that touches children.

    If a random creepy old pedo down the street dies nobody feels bad for him, but Oh oh! A celebrity! It's special treatment Ahoy!
    I forgot that folks tried and convicted in the court of your fucking opinion aren't human.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Scooter wrote: »
    To be honest, I think he would've been better off if he'd died in, like, '88 or something. I'm not saying he was a pedophile, but he was definitely creepy and disturbing from the 90s on. When people think of Michael Jackson, they'll think of the weird plastic white-black dude who had sleepovers with kids first, and his great music just second.

    '92... Dangerous was a great album, so he'd have to survive past 1991.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So as long as you entertain people, it's perfectly fine to do something horrible to an innocent?

    No, but there's never been any definitive proof that he ever did anything to anyone. And you'd think, with the hundreds of kids to come through Neverland Ranch, there would have been SOMETHING.

    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?

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  • ScottyScotty Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't care what any assholes say about him, (regardless of the controversies) the guy has had a wicked career.
    If he's gone, I will remember him for the music and the showmanship...the guy was the very definition of a showman.:^:

    michael-jackson-concert-2.jpg

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Yeah of course because he's a celebrity we have to forget he's a freak that touches children.

    If a random creepy old pedo down the street dies nobody feels bad for him, but Oh oh! A celebrity! It's special treatment Ahoy!

    Let's look at what we do know about how that went down.

    1> Father demanded 20 million bucks from him or they'll file charges. That's pretty much extortion right there.

    2> Father is on tape saying that if he "doesn't get what he wants" then there will be a massacre.

    3> About two dozen other people vouched that Jackson was a pedophile... but would only tell their story if you stuck 100,000$ in their pockets.
    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?

    But we know for a fact that OJ was a murderer.

    He got off because the jurors were a bunch of dumb hicks and the prosecutor was an incompetent buffoon.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    there's some awfully absolutist and vindictive people here

    that's pretty sad

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So as long as you entertain people, it's perfectly fine to do something horrible to an innocent?

    No, but there's never been any definitive proof that he ever did anything to anyone. And you'd think, with the hundreds of kids to come through Neverland Ranch, there would have been SOMETHING.

    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?
    Apples =/= oranges, there Preach.

    Tach on
  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scooter wrote: »
    To be honest, I think he would've been better off if he'd died in, like, '88 or something. I'm not saying he was a pedophile, but he was definitely creepy and disturbing from the 90s on. When people think of Michael Jackson, they'll think of the weird plastic white-black dude who had sleepovers with kids first, and his great music just second.

    Yea but then we wouldn't have "Will you be there", I'd say wait till after Dangerous came out in 1991, white-black dude or not..

    edit: dang beat'n

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So as long as you entertain people, it's perfectly fine to do something horrible to an innocent?

    No, but there's never been any definitive proof that he ever did anything to anyone. And you'd think, with the hundreds of kids to come through Neverland Ranch, there would have been SOMETHING.

    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?

    if he ever finds the real killers

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?

    I do celebrate his career... both as a football player and in the Naked Gun movies... because he was awesome. That's different from celebrating the likelihood that he murdered two people and got away with it.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I got something from ABC saying an obit is ready to go if confirmation is obtained. That's never a good sign.

    I'm also curious what his obit photo will be...

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    there's some awfully absolutist and vindictive people here

    that's pretty sad

    They're a little late to get in on that "The weird guy touched me so give me 50 million dollars" wagon.

    Sheep on
  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    I remember seeing him at the Super Bowl performance. Jesus Christ the man could keep you enthralled.

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    LA Times is saying he's in a Coma, not dead.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    LA Times is saying hes in a coma/.

    EDIT: AP Hold me

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    this is my viewpoint, basically

    but then, i don't take some kind of absolute view on crime or "evil"

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Tach wrote: »
    Apples =/= oranges, there Preach.

    I dunno outside of OJ's recent legal problems both suffered long drawn out court cases for crimes they claimed to have not committed, and were both celebrities. Is it because OJ's black?

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    LA Times is reporting that he "is in a coma."

    ed: no news like late news! :P

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  • VeeVee Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    This is so sad. My mom just called me to tell me. I loved his music and he was a great performer.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So as long as you entertain people, it's perfectly fine to do something horrible to an innocent?

    No, but there's never been any definitive proof that he ever did anything to anyone. And you'd think, with the hundreds of kids to come through Neverland Ranch, there would have been SOMETHING.

    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?

    ...

    seriously?

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    Sheep wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Yeah of course because he's a celebrity we have to forget he's a freak that touches children.

    If a random creepy old pedo down the street dies nobody feels bad for him, but Oh oh! A celebrity! It's special treatment Ahoy!

    Let's look at what we do know about how that went down.

    1> Father demanded 20 million bucks from him or they'll file charges. That's pretty much extortion right there.

    2> Father is on tape saying that if he "doesn't get what he wants" then there will be a massacre.

    3> About two dozen other people vouched that Jackson was a pedophile... but would only tell their story if you stuck 100,000$ in their pockets.
    Will you celebrate the career of OJ Simpson when he passes as well?

    But we know for a fact that OJ was a murderer.

    He got off because the jurors were a bunch of dumb hicks and the prosecutor was an incompetent buffoon.

    We do? While there is a great deal of evidence that he was a murder, I don't think it is a declared fact.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Annnd we're going to be riding a train of bigotry for a week or so now.

    The guy made some fantastic music. Had a pretty fucked up life though. Huge contribution to pop music can't be discredited for something he may or may not have done. Not because of the ambiguity but just because of the magnitude of his discography.

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