But guys, guys. Vinyl was basically the pinnacle of music and nothing is ever going to be better. it is just so warm
what the fuck does this even mean. I always hear this quality attributed to vinyl and it makes no sense. Is it the pops and snaps of inferior recording technology that people love?
ths band is coming to richmond at a venue my buddy often uses soon
I wonder if I should go
they are really fun live, and besides this digital debacle, very nice.
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But guys, guys. Vinyl was basically the pinnacle of music and nothing is ever going to be better. it is just so warm[/I]
what the fuck does this even mean. I always hear this quality attributed to vinyl and it makes no sense. Is it the pops and snaps of inferior recording technology that people love?
When you burn CDs you get more CDs, when you burn vinyl you get fire.
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hahaha, someone in that protomen forums thread actually brought up that in a post-apocalyptic future non-vinyl music would be destroyed by the EMPs from the nukes. Thus vinyl is better. I'm pretty sure he was not being facetious.
I can understand not wanting the liner notes up everywhere on day 1. But they got that. The CD was delayed a whole week and they got what they wanted and saw hundreds of fans try to fruitlessly piece together the story.
But honestly it was kind of stupid of the guy to just post that shit on the band's forums.
hahaha, someone in that protomen forums thread actually brought up that in a post-apocalyptic future non-vinyl music would be destroyed by the EMPs from the nukes. Thus vinyl is better. I'm pretty sure he was not being facetious.
I saw that and wanted to believe it was a joke but honestly those forums look pretty hopeless in terms of posting population
I am just so upset about this dumb liner notes bullshit
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Who would have guessed that a postapocalyptic rock opera about a video-game would have been made by Luddites.
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ths band is coming to richmond at a venue my buddy often uses soon
I wonder if I should go
Wait, where? They played a show over at the bowl like a month ago.
I was down there on Saturday because my friend was supposed to do a gig but none of the other band showed up, and I think I saw them on the schedule to be there again
either that or I read an outdated schedule because that is a ghetto bowling place in southside
We didn't want the liner notes posted online (at least not the first day). You can pass them back and forth all you like, but posting stuff like that online for everyone to see sorta ruins the fun of what we're trying to do with the overall experience of this band. For instance, how would you feel if your ReadAlong book of "The Black Hole" got lost and all you had left was the tape to listen to?....about half as awesome...that's how you would feel.
someone said it was melodramatic to suggest it wasn't awful to have the liner notes without the cd, so I decided to stop reading anything there ever.
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Who would have guessed that a postapocalyptic rock opera about a video-game would have been made by Luddites.
What, you read my response to them? Well, to the people arguing that there is an intrinsic benefit to physical media, and that as such Act 3 should not use any form of digital liner notes (iTunes LP or anything else) as the experience wouldn' t be the same.
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I can understand wanting a physical copy of something and thinking that the physical copy is intrinsically better than a digital copy. I'm like that with books and newspapers.
But I do not understand the idea that you are a better person/customer for having done so, which is what restricting the liner notes implies.
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I think this problem stems from an inconsistency between how the band is treating the album, and how a business would treat the album. The band quite obviously looks at the album as a work of art, and nothing more than that. They don't see it as a product, they see it as a project. So rather than employ any business sense whatsoever to the discussion, they would rather pound home on what they want to see their art become.
Enter in the year 2009, and that's not really possible anymore. Any work that you produce, that can be copied, transcribed, played, or farted over the internet, you might as well kiss goodbye, because it's never coming back as you would have wanted it. I'm sure Commander and the rest of the band feel strongly about their liner notes, and they're wanting people to go buy "The real deal" instead of, what I can only assume they would liken to being "The Soundtrack". But inevitably, their liner notes were text. And there was a huge demand for that text, that had built up over time. The possibility that someone else would have transcribed the liner notes, if GG wasn't up to the task, IS VERY REAL. To say "Gosh, I really wish it wouldn't have happened." is like farting in the wind. It happened rather INEVITABLY. You are fighting a torrent of human nature that cannot possibly be fought. To try and debate whether it should or shouldn't have happened is pointless and silly. It would happen whether it was right or wrong. Period.
Now, on the other hand, I feel that some people are taking Commander's little rant a little too hard. It seems to me that he worked awfully hard throughout his post, to make his point, without making those who bought the digital copies feel like they weren't true fans. His point was, clearly, that he feels that you simply haven't bought the actual product.
And yes, in this digital age, that's going to make you stand on your head and give him the "WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis?" look, because you are consumers, and you think you're talking to a businessman. And since you're not speaking the same language, communication is not possible.
To the band, their true product, their true work of art, was the physical CD. To us consumers, anything that had their music packaged for us, was their product. And it doesn't match up. It won't and it never will. They quite obviously have to re-investigate how they want to package their next album, because their thinking does not match up logically at all. But to say that they're shaming people who bought the digital copy? You're stretching to be mad about something. Just sayin', you should find other shit to be mad about during your day. It's pretty easy.
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If all they wanted to do was sell physical copies then I would buy the argument that they are more the perception of their art is tantamount to their business model, but by offering the digital album (by offering the digital album first) flies in the face of that.
I'm sorry but you don't get to pick and choose which of your customers deserve the full experience when they both pay the same price.
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I don't think it's a scam to not include digital liner notes, I was just nonplussed by their anger at someone posting the notes online. I mean, I already bought the thing, I'm not going to buy something else to get liner notes.
But yeah, I think those are pretty good points.
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I think this problem stems from an inconsistency between how the band is treating the album, and how a business would treat the album. The band quite obviously looks at the album as a work of art, and nothing more than that. They don't see it as a product, they see it as a project. So rather than employ any business sense whatsoever to the discussion, they would rather pound home on what they want to see their art become.
Enter in the year 2009, and that's not really possible anymore. Any work that you produce, that can be copied, transcribed, played, or farted over the internet, you might as well kiss goodbye, because it's never coming back as you would have wanted it. I'm sure Commander and the rest of the band feel strongly about their liner notes, and they're wanting people to go buy "The real deal" instead of, what I can only assume they would liken to being "The Soundtrack". But inevitably, their liner notes were text. And there was a huge demand for that text, that had built up over time. The possibility that someone else would have transcribed the liner notes, if GG wasn't up to the task, IS VERY REAL. To say "Gosh, I really wish it wouldn't have happened." is like farting in the wind. It happened rather INEVITABLY. You are fighting a torrent of human nature that cannot possibly be fought. To try and debate whether it should or shouldn't have happened is pointless and silly. It would happen whether it was right or wrong. Period.
Now, on the other hand, I feel that some people are taking Commander's little rant a little too hard. It seems to me that he worked awfully hard throughout his post, to make his point, without making those who bought the digital copies feel like they weren't true fans. His point was, clearly, that he feels that you simply haven't bought the actual product.
And yes, in this digital age, that's going to make you stand on your head and give him the "WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis?" look, because you are consumers, and you think you're talking to a businessman. And since you're not speaking the same language, communication is not possible.
To the band, their true product, their true work of art, was the physical CD. To us consumers, anything that had their music packaged for us, was their product. And it doesn't match up. It won't and it never will. They quite obviously have to re-investigate how they want to package their next album, because their thinking does not match up logically at all. But to say that they're shaming people who bought the digital copy? You're stretching to be mad about something. Just sayin', you should find other shit to be mad about during your day. It's pretty easy.
I don't think it's a scam to not include digital liner notes, I was just nonplussed by their anger at someone posting the notes online. I mean, I already bought the thing, I'm not going to buy something else to get liner notes.
But yeah, I think those are pretty good points.
See, and I didn't see anger. And I guess that's why I'm not getting the animosity over his post. I bought the digital copy, and used GG's liner notes. If there was something to be pissed about, I have just as much cause as anyone else that's pissed off here. But....I really don't see anything in his post to get mad about.
There are certainly parts that I disagree with, and a particular part that I think is hypocritical (the bit about The Black Hole) and thus ironic for him to be saying. But nothing for me to like the band less for. If he was a spokesperson, or a sales executive, I'd feast on his bones. But the dude's a musician. He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to money and product.
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Again
Saying that a physical CD is intrinsically better than a digital CD: Yeah sure, that's fine.
Saying that the customers who buy the physical CD are intrinsically different than those who buy the digital CD: Stop being a dick.
And that's the crux of the matter. Munkus wins again, I am the new protomen by default.
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what the fuck does this even mean. I always hear this quality attributed to vinyl and it makes no sense. Is it the pops and snaps of inferior recording technology that people love?
they are really fun live, and besides this digital debacle, very nice.
When you burn CDs you get more CDs, when you burn vinyl you get fire.
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Dear satan I wish for this or maybe some of this....oh and I'm a medium or a large.
GoFund The Portland Trans Pride March, or Show It To People, or Else!
But honestly it was kind of stupid of the guy to just post that shit on the band's forums.
hey satan...: thinkgeek amazon My post |
I saw that and wanted to believe it was a joke but honestly those forums look pretty hopeless in terms of posting population
To be a bad poster, or not to be
I know what sligmasta chose
FUCK
why would you do that
There is no resistance.
That's like the whole point of Act I.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
i think this was one of the trials of Herakles
Wait, where? They played a show over at the bowl like a month ago.
I was down there on Saturday because my friend was supposed to do a gig but none of the other band showed up, and I think I saw them on the schedule to be there again
either that or I read an outdated schedule because that is a ghetto bowling place in southside
I don't even see how it makes any sense.
...what
Maybe he meant it was melon dramatic but they made a typo.
That would make more sense.
What, you read my response to them? Well, to the people arguing that there is an intrinsic benefit to physical media, and that as such Act 3 should not use any form of digital liner notes (iTunes LP or anything else) as the experience wouldn' t be the same.
But I do not understand the idea that you are a better person/customer for having done so, which is what restricting the liner notes implies.
I think this problem stems from an inconsistency between how the band is treating the album, and how a business would treat the album. The band quite obviously looks at the album as a work of art, and nothing more than that. They don't see it as a product, they see it as a project. So rather than employ any business sense whatsoever to the discussion, they would rather pound home on what they want to see their art become.
Enter in the year 2009, and that's not really possible anymore. Any work that you produce, that can be copied, transcribed, played, or farted over the internet, you might as well kiss goodbye, because it's never coming back as you would have wanted it. I'm sure Commander and the rest of the band feel strongly about their liner notes, and they're wanting people to go buy "The real deal" instead of, what I can only assume they would liken to being "The Soundtrack". But inevitably, their liner notes were text. And there was a huge demand for that text, that had built up over time. The possibility that someone else would have transcribed the liner notes, if GG wasn't up to the task, IS VERY REAL. To say "Gosh, I really wish it wouldn't have happened." is like farting in the wind. It happened rather INEVITABLY. You are fighting a torrent of human nature that cannot possibly be fought. To try and debate whether it should or shouldn't have happened is pointless and silly. It would happen whether it was right or wrong. Period.
Now, on the other hand, I feel that some people are taking Commander's little rant a little too hard. It seems to me that he worked awfully hard throughout his post, to make his point, without making those who bought the digital copies feel like they weren't true fans. His point was, clearly, that he feels that you simply haven't bought the actual product.
And yes, in this digital age, that's going to make you stand on your head and give him the "WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis?" look, because you are consumers, and you think you're talking to a businessman. And since you're not speaking the same language, communication is not possible.
To the band, their true product, their true work of art, was the physical CD. To us consumers, anything that had their music packaged for us, was their product. And it doesn't match up. It won't and it never will. They quite obviously have to re-investigate how they want to package their next album, because their thinking does not match up logically at all. But to say that they're shaming people who bought the digital copy? You're stretching to be mad about something. Just sayin', you should find other shit to be mad about during your day. It's pretty easy.
I'm sorry but you don't get to pick and choose which of your customers deserve the full experience when they both pay the same price.
But yeah, I think those are pretty good points.
http://lyrics.wikia.com/lyrics/The_Protomen
or wait do you want the physical ones.
More like Slow Racer
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I would like to have this on a placard.
See, and I didn't see anger. And I guess that's why I'm not getting the animosity over his post. I bought the digital copy, and used GG's liner notes. If there was something to be pissed about, I have just as much cause as anyone else that's pissed off here. But....I really don't see anything in his post to get mad about.
There are certainly parts that I disagree with, and a particular part that I think is hypocritical (the bit about The Black Hole) and thus ironic for him to be saying. But nothing for me to like the band less for. If he was a spokesperson, or a sales executive, I'd feast on his bones. But the dude's a musician. He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to money and product.
Saying that a physical CD is intrinsically better than a digital CD: Yeah sure, that's fine.
Saying that the customers who buy the physical CD are intrinsically different than those who buy the digital CD: Stop being a dick.
And that's the crux of the matter. Munkus wins again, I am the new protomen by default.