I'm surprised a republican thinks there's something wrong with the Education system really, him saying that is a testament to how fucked up the education bubble is, it's worse than the housing one.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
4 year costs, graduation in 2020:
Public $93k
Private $187k
2025:
$113k
$211k
2030:
$136k
$237k
*shudder*
Creating a generation of indentured servants.
Wouldn't it be nice if wages had kept up with college costs? If anything college cost is a testament to how much people should be getting paid.
Starting salaries for a college grad should be in the ballpark of $100-150,000
But then they wouldn't be on the hook for 20 years of payments. And don't pay it? You get fucked up. Kneecaps, is what I'm talkin' here.
Like, honestly, I see no other reason to jack tuition costs so high after decades of convincing everyone that post secondary is a hard requirement for success except to ensure a generation of poor people that are perpetually indebted to the rich.
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21stCenturyCall me Pixel, or Pix for short![They/Them]Registered Userregular
Man, i just learned that, in japan, they have chocolate bread.
i've been watching a lot of Japanese recipes/candy unboxing vids lately. ever since someone posted that tiny powdered hamburger kit video in chat, actually.
4 year costs, graduation in 2020:
Public $93k
Private $187k
2025:
$113k
$211k
2030:
$136k
$237k
*shudder*
It's a bubble, and it's unsustainable. I'm hoping the whole facade will crumble in the next two years - let the bloodletting commence before I have to start paying for it!
Spool, I love you, but you need to start thinking about how the things you say sound to people.
aaahahahaha I know, that sounded super heartless didn't it? But bubbles do need to burst and if there's one sector of the economy that needs to purge the cruft and get back to its core mission, it's college education. Our system produces so much waste and meaningless credentialing alongside the actual education, and something has to give.
Bubbles need to burst sooner rather than later.
I agree, but damn dude. Daaaaaaaamn.
Preferably I'd like to structure it so that the bursting bubble won't fuck over an entire generation of kids, but the how to on that is where it gets complicated.
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also the current Miles Morales run of Ultimate Spider-Man is really good and was specifically designed as a good jumping on point for people who ain't read it up to that point
it's an interesting perspective on the concept of a "legacy character", the idea that Miles is the second dude to be Spider-Man and instead of angsting about his dead uncle, he feels the weight of responsibility to live up to the heroic mantle he took upon himself
also if you hate the idea of a black spider-man you a racist
period
there is no element of spider-man that is intrinsically related to his ethnicity
the most iconic aspect of his personal identity is that of a New Yorker
he could be black or hispanic or whatever, but New York is part of his identity
which was Donald Glover's point, and i agree with him
compare this to when Cuba Gooding Jr. got pissed that he couldn't play Daredevil
Daredevil's identity is all tied up in Irish New Yorker shit, Hell's Kitchen is his stomping grounds and his dad was an Irish boxer and all that
could you change that into something else? sure, but you'd lose something of Daredevil's character
whereas Peter Parker's ethnicity is entirely unimportant
I agree, and I'm fairly certain everyone here is all about black spiderman.
I wonder, there's not some sort of silly legal loopholes that Marvel could try to jump through in order to produce an ultimate spiderman movie, is there?
4 year costs, graduation in 2020:
Public $93k
Private $187k
2025:
$113k
$211k
2030:
$136k
$237k
*shudder*
Creating a generation of indentured servants.
Wouldn't it be nice if wages had kept up with college costs? If anything college cost is a testament to how much people should be getting paid.
Starting salaries for a college grad should be in the ballpark of $100-150,000
But then they wouldn't be on the hook for 20 years of payments. And don't pay it? You get fucked up. Kneecaps, is what I'm talkin' here.
Like, honestly, I see no other reason to jack tuition costs so high after decades of convincing everyone that post secondary is a hard requirement for success except to ensure a generation of poor people that are perpetually indebted to the rich.
Someone's gotta support the out of control costs of University administration.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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it's actually really kind of annoying when people who aren't comic book fans have these deep, strongly held opinions about "iconic" versions of the character that are based on a movie or TV show or merchandise they might not even have first hand experience with
like when people have strong-ass opinions on Superman but have never read a Superman comic in their god damn lives
Some friend of one of my friends on Facebook was all HERPLE DERP, IT'S DUMB THAT IN THE NEW SPIDER-MAN MOVIE HE HAS WEBSHOOTERS THAT ARE GADGETS INSTEAD OF A SUPERPOWER
uh that is how it is in the comics you fuck
the "organic webshooters" thing was made up for the Spider-Man movie Sony made
and then it propagated into the Ultimate version of the character
4 year costs, graduation in 2020:
Public $93k
Private $187k
2025:
$113k
$211k
2030:
$136k
$237k
*shudder*
It's a bubble, and it's unsustainable. I'm hoping the whole facade will crumble in the next two years - let the bloodletting commence before I have to start paying for it!
It's going to require direct federal intervention, though, or else we're completely fucked. And I don't trust the government to make the hard choices they'll need to make.
So what will probably happen is costs will continue to rise, the bubble will burst, all but the most prestigious colleges will severely curtail their services, leading to a greater gap in educational opportunities between the richest and the poorest students, which will cause the US to have a disadvantage competing against countries with more centrally-managed higher education systems in education-heavy industries like technology.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
so maybe people who aren't comic book fans should stop talking out they'se ass about subjects beyond them
Calm down, Pony.
No, man, Comics are serious business.
God, chat has been so incredibly nerdy this morning.
I want to highlight some good topics:
Should Archie be with Betty or Veronica
Yordle pornography
The relative size of federation class starships
What if The Doctor was a woman
Black spiderman
Is that everything?
i remember something about a petition, but yeah. that seems to be it.
Is nerdy bad, Winky?
Uh, p sure I'm really high on the list of nerdiest people here.
I just never realized just how nerdy we actually are.
I think people often try to apply generic novel-writing type fiction ideas to comics and then don't understand why so much of comics is the evolution and constant new-permutation <-> back to basics push and pull with iconography and minutiae of costumes and such.
"Spider-man should just do this psychologically 3D thing and completely change" doesn't generate comic fan interest because Peter Parker isn't a character in a novel or a movie.
There's just different demands in the storytelling and while it's no crime to be unfamiliar with these demands, I get where Pony is coming from with impatience after a while. It would be just as easy to HERP DERP any genre -- why doesn't the male lead just ask the girl out to dinner in the first ten minutes of the Rom Com? Why doesn't John Wayne get his balls blown off by a land mine?
it's actually really kind of annoying when people who aren't comic book fans have these deep, strongly held opinions about "iconic" versions of the character that are based on a movie or TV show or merchandise they might not even have first hand experience with
like when people have strong-ass opinions on Superman but have never read a Superman comic in their god damn lives
Some friend of one of my friends on Facebook was all HERPLE DERP, IT'S DUMB THAT IN THE NEW SPIDER-MAN MOVIE HE HAS WEBSHOOTERS THAT ARE GADGETS INSTEAD OF A SUPERPOWER
uh that is how it is in the comics you fuck
the "organic webshooters" thing was made up for the Spider-Man movie Sony made
and then it propagated into the Ultimate version of the character
Spider-Man 2099 had organic shooters.
you know that's true
i mean obviously I forgot about Miguel O'Hara and he's a different dude from Peter Parker
but yes I suppose you are right
he also had weird monster claws and venomous fangs and stuff, though
also if you hate the idea of a black spider-man you a racist
period
there is no element of spider-man that is intrinsically related to his ethnicity
the most iconic aspect of his personal identity is that of a New Yorker
he could be black or hispanic or whatever, but New York is part of his identity
which was Donald Glover's point, and i agree with him
compare this to when Cuba Gooding Jr. got pissed that he couldn't play Daredevil
Daredevil's identity is all tied up in Irish New Yorker shit, Hell's Kitchen is his stomping grounds and his dad was an Irish boxer and all that
could you change that into something else? sure, but you'd lose something of Daredevil's character
whereas Peter Parker's ethnicity is entirely unimportant
One of the core aspects of Peter Parker's character is that he's financially downtrodden. He's poor, he has a terrible job, and his boss shits on him all the time. (A rich Spidey makes as much sense as a poor Batman.)
So I think that works very well with him being a black kid.
Feral on
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
superheroes are awesome and i keep wanting to get into comics but it's just too vast and intimidating and i don't know where to start diving in
Just pick a point. If you run into continuity questions then just ask Pony, Jacob or myself. If we can't answer them between the three of us, I'd be shocked.
superheroes are awesome and i keep wanting to get into comics but it's just too vast and intimidating and i don't know where to start diving in
I feel this way too.
I want to get into Marvel comics, but (and maybe this is just comic book nerds being comic book nerds) I am told that picking up any particular run of comics is like summer-salting through a minefield.
also if you hate the idea of a black spider-man you a racist
period
there is no element of spider-man that is intrinsically related to his ethnicity
the most iconic aspect of his personal identity is that of a New Yorker
he could be black or hispanic or whatever, but New York is part of his identity
which was Donald Glover's point, and i agree with him
compare this to when Cuba Gooding Jr. got pissed that he couldn't play Daredevil
Daredevil's identity is all tied up in Irish New Yorker shit, Hell's Kitchen is his stomping grounds and his dad was an Irish boxer and all that
could you change that into something else? sure, but you'd lose something of Daredevil's character
whereas Peter Parker's ethnicity is entirely unimportant
I agree, and I'm fairly certain everyone here is all about black spiderman.
I wonder, there's not some sort of silly legal loopholes that Marvel could try to jump through in order to produce an ultimate spiderman movie, is there?
I don't think so. It would just be confusing with this other Spider-Man movie.
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also if you hate the idea of a black spider-man you a racist
period
there is no element of spider-man that is intrinsically related to his ethnicity
the most iconic aspect of his personal identity is that of a New Yorker
he could be black or hispanic or whatever, but New York is part of his identity
which was Donald Glover's point, and i agree with him
compare this to when Cuba Gooding Jr. got pissed that he couldn't play Daredevil
Daredevil's identity is all tied up in Irish New Yorker shit, Hell's Kitchen is his stomping grounds and his dad was an Irish boxer and all that
could you change that into something else? sure, but you'd lose something of Daredevil's character
whereas Peter Parker's ethnicity is entirely unimportant
One of the core aspects of Peter Parker's character is that he's financially downtrodden. He's poor, he has a terrible job, and his boss shits on him all the time. (A rich Spidey makes as much sense as a poor Batman.)
So I think that works very well with him being a black kid.
Not just his boss, the world pretty much shits on him.
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also if you hate the idea of a black spider-man you a racist
period
there is no element of spider-man that is intrinsically related to his ethnicity
the most iconic aspect of his personal identity is that of a New Yorker
he could be black or hispanic or whatever, but New York is part of his identity
which was Donald Glover's point, and i agree with him
compare this to when Cuba Gooding Jr. got pissed that he couldn't play Daredevil
Daredevil's identity is all tied up in Irish New Yorker shit, Hell's Kitchen is his stomping grounds and his dad was an Irish boxer and all that
could you change that into something else? sure, but you'd lose something of Daredevil's character
whereas Peter Parker's ethnicity is entirely unimportant
One of the core aspects of Peter Parker's character is that he's financially downtrodden. He's poor, he has a terrible job, and his boss shits on him all the time. (A rich Spidey makes as much sense as a poor Batman.)
So I think that works very well with him being a black kid.
Speaking of poor batman, isn't Green Arrow basically that? If i recall correctly, at the beginning, Green Arrow was a rich man with an arrow cave and an arrow mobile and then he lost it all and became the guy who fights poverty and other social things, right?
superheroes are awesome and i keep wanting to get into comics but it's just too vast and intimidating and i don't know where to start diving in
Just pick a point. If you run into continuity questions then just ask Pony, Jacob or myself. If we can't answer them between the three of us, I'd be shocked.
but which point!! there are so many!
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Jacob or Thom or any comic book nerd, could you find the classic ad where a shrimpy guy and his best gal are at the beach when a bully kicks sand in his face? Then the shrimp gambles a stamp and bulks up with a mail order gym?
I think people often try to apply generic novel-writing type fiction ideas to comics and then don't understand why so much of comics is the evolution and constant new-permutation <-> back to basics push and pull with iconography and minutiae of costumes and such.
"Spider-man should just do this psychologically 3D thing and completely change" doesn't generate comic fan interest because Peter Parker isn't a character in a novel or a movie.
There's just different demands in the storytelling and while it's no crime to be unfamiliar with these demands, I get where Pony is coming from with impatience after a while. It would be just as easy to HERP DERP any genre -- why doesn't the male lead just ask the girl out to dinner in the first ten minutes of the Rom Com? Why doesn't John Wayne get his balls blown off by a land mine?
the thing with super-hero comics specifically, that you pointed out, is that they follow "myth cycles" and very rarely are new characters wildly successful
once in a while there's the odd breakout, but in the Big Two most entirely new characters stopped being a big thing in the 1980's
nowadays it's all about legacy characters, reinvisionings, reinterpretations, etc.
super-hero comics for DC and Marvel have turned into these full bodied mythological structures with specific icons and cornerstones, and even when they redo them (like DC's New 52) or spin them off into alternate universes with different interpretations (Ultimate Marvel), they still end up anchoring themselves around these iconic identities and roles, even if the people behind those masks change.
people who don't read comics tend not to get that aspect of things, though
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
superheroes are awesome and i keep wanting to get into comics but it's just too vast and intimidating and i don't know where to start diving in
Just pick a point. If you run into continuity questions then just ask Pony, Jacob or myself. If we can't answer them between the three of us, I'd be shocked.
but which point!! there are so many!
Tell us a character or group you're interested in and we can give you a bunch of points.
Gotta side with my fellow Canuck on this one Monkey. Moore is definitely better then Dalton.
Putting on my serious face for a moment, I really did like Daniel Craig's reboot Bond in Casino Royale. It's a shame that was followed up by Quantum of Solace, but that's neither here nor there.
superheroes are awesome and i keep wanting to get into comics but it's just too vast and intimidating and i don't know where to start diving in
Digital comics are great since many older comics are only $0.99 so you can pick up a few famous issues of your favorite character and figure out what is what.
Most comic book review sites (or make it easy on yourself and just ask in Graphic Violence) will give a write up of individual issues and will point out "this is a great jumping on point for new readers!" or something to that effect.
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More like too nerdy EVEN for them.
We're talking brave new heights of nerdiness.
The undiscovered country.
But then they wouldn't be on the hook for 20 years of payments. And don't pay it? You get fucked up. Kneecaps, is what I'm talkin' here.
Like, honestly, I see no other reason to jack tuition costs so high after decades of convincing everyone that post secondary is a hard requirement for success except to ensure a generation of poor people that are perpetually indebted to the rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_xNEWUtBk&feature=g-vrec
i've been watching a lot of Japanese recipes/candy unboxing vids lately. ever since someone posted that tiny powdered hamburger kit video in chat, actually.
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I agree, but damn dude. Daaaaaaaamn.
Preferably I'd like to structure it so that the bursting bubble won't fuck over an entire generation of kids, but the how to on that is where it gets complicated.
it's an interesting perspective on the concept of a "legacy character", the idea that Miles is the second dude to be Spider-Man and instead of angsting about his dead uncle, he feels the weight of responsibility to live up to the heroic mantle he took upon himself
Miles Morales is actually a pretty interesting character as well.
I agree, and I'm fairly certain everyone here is all about black spiderman.
I wonder, there's not some sort of silly legal loopholes that Marvel could try to jump through in order to produce an ultimate spiderman movie, is there?
Someone's gotta support the out of control costs of University administration.
It's going to require direct federal intervention, though, or else we're completely fucked. And I don't trust the government to make the hard choices they'll need to make.
So what will probably happen is costs will continue to rise, the bubble will burst, all but the most prestigious colleges will severely curtail their services, leading to a greater gap in educational opportunities between the richest and the poorest students, which will cause the US to have a disadvantage competing against countries with more centrally-managed higher education systems in education-heavy industries like technology.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I have tried to read the trilogy several times. I can't do it.
A fantasy nerd that hates fantasy books. I'm working on getting over it.
Earth. Hitler. 1939.
Uh, p sure I'm really high on the list of nerdiest people here.
I just never realized just how nerdy we actually are.
"Spider-man should just do this psychologically 3D thing and completely change" doesn't generate comic fan interest because Peter Parker isn't a character in a novel or a movie.
There's just different demands in the storytelling and while it's no crime to be unfamiliar with these demands, I get where Pony is coming from with impatience after a while. It would be just as easy to HERP DERP any genre -- why doesn't the male lead just ask the girl out to dinner in the first ten minutes of the Rom Com? Why doesn't John Wayne get his balls blown off by a land mine?
you know that's true
i mean obviously I forgot about Miguel O'Hara and he's a different dude from Peter Parker
but yes I suppose you are right
he also had weird monster claws and venomous fangs and stuff, though
Spider-Man 2099 was weird
*googles*
Mother of god!
Gotta side with my fellow Canuck on this one Monkey. Moore is definitely better then Dalton.
In your defense, the trilogy has some really shitty prose in it. The Hobbit is much cleaner and easier to read.
I'd attempt to hack it out though, they're well worth it in the end.
One of the core aspects of Peter Parker's character is that he's financially downtrodden. He's poor, he has a terrible job, and his boss shits on him all the time. (A rich Spidey makes as much sense as a poor Batman.)
So I think that works very well with him being a black kid.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Well, the phrase Irish N...
No I'm not going there.
Just pick a point. If you run into continuity questions then just ask Pony, Jacob or myself. If we can't answer them between the three of us, I'd be shocked.
I feel this way too.
I want to get into Marvel comics, but (and maybe this is just comic book nerds being comic book nerds) I am told that picking up any particular run of comics is like summer-salting through a minefield.
I don't think so. It would just be confusing with this other Spider-Man movie.
Not just his boss, the world pretty much shits on him.
Speaking of poor batman, isn't Green Arrow basically that? If i recall correctly, at the beginning, Green Arrow was a rich man with an arrow cave and an arrow mobile and then he lost it all and became the guy who fights poverty and other social things, right?
i'm probably completely wrong, please enlighten me.
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but which point!! there are so many!
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
the thing with super-hero comics specifically, that you pointed out, is that they follow "myth cycles" and very rarely are new characters wildly successful
once in a while there's the odd breakout, but in the Big Two most entirely new characters stopped being a big thing in the 1980's
nowadays it's all about legacy characters, reinvisionings, reinterpretations, etc.
super-hero comics for DC and Marvel have turned into these full bodied mythological structures with specific icons and cornerstones, and even when they redo them (like DC's New 52) or spin them off into alternate universes with different interpretations (Ultimate Marvel), they still end up anchoring themselves around these iconic identities and roles, even if the people behind those masks change.
people who don't read comics tend not to get that aspect of things, though
Tell us a character or group you're interested in and we can give you a bunch of points.
Putting on my serious face for a moment, I really did like Daniel Craig's reboot Bond in Casino Royale. It's a shame that was followed up by Quantum of Solace, but that's neither here nor there.
Digital comics are great since many older comics are only $0.99 so you can pick up a few famous issues of your favorite character and figure out what is what.
Most comic book review sites (or make it easy on yourself and just ask in Graphic Violence) will give a write up of individual issues and will point out "this is a great jumping on point for new readers!" or something to that effect.
and it keeps getting worse
THE INTERNET
Oh come on how am I supposed to know how to correctly spell that word.
Do I look like a gymnast?