Wireshark to see what is happening when you are trying to connect. You won't see any of the actual raw data since its SSL encrypted over HTTPS but you should be able to see what the response codes to your login request are.
Whenever I use https + IP address IE just says page cannot be displayed. No real error code. Also I'm not sure if I can install Wireshark or not...
I believe what happened is at one point there was an Agent system that worked, and then they realized it didn't scale at all
and then they reduced the map size to force it to scale
and then that didn't work either
and then the project was due to ship in two months
so they just ripped it all out
again, Ocean Quigley is a fraud and I am surprised nobody in the press held him accountable
Polygon reported that he quit because "EA screwed the launch"
no. you screwed the game, idiot
Might even be simpler than that.
I bet it was, "no one's even going to notice shit like this, why bother implementing it?" The the scaling issue where 1 citizen represents like 1000 is an issue probably with how they handle dealing with the Java server.
You figure that's a good 750 megs of data you'd have to be transferring every few seconds. The distributed system never even made sense, my i7 can handle more than the type of computer time they're going to give me from their system. And I've got 8+ gigs to work with.
Totally a masquerade for anti-piracy in its finest.
No because there were actual videos of the agent system working and videos of Wil Wright talking about it working
and yeah the distributed system was always nonsense, but we found out later that the server part was never doing any agent simulation at all, just managing resource flows within regions (which almost makes sense)
Wireshark to see what is happening when you are trying to connect. You won't see any of the actual raw data since its SSL encrypted over HTTPS but you should be able to see what the response codes to your login request are.
Whenever I use https + IP address IE just says page cannot be displayed. No real error code. Also I'm not sure if I can install Wireshark or not...
Well, we are admittedly kinda dicks about a widely-used programming-language that makes a lot of people money and employs them and if used properly can do some grand things.
Of course, that "used properly" thing is often the sticking-point.
Really though, Java does feel slower (I don't have any benchmarks), and I swear to goodness every GUI that is java-based seems ugly as FUCK and doesn't match the system it's running on. I have to think that's because "multi-platform!" but if your product looks like crap... <shrug>
Wireshark to see what is happening when you are trying to connect. You won't see any of the actual raw data since its SSL encrypted over HTTPS but you should be able to see what the response codes to your login request are.
Whenever I use https + IP address IE just says page cannot be displayed. No real error code. Also I'm not sure if I can install Wireshark or not...
I'll have to look into that... I really have no idea what I'm doing when I'm trying to troubleshoot this problem. It's a Linux server and it's all command line so I'm wayyyyyy out of my comfort zone on this.
Hahaha wowwww... Latest 'security' update on my laptop removed my ability to change the proxy server. Awesome! Now when I work from home I don't have a choice to connect to their shitty VPN to get things done! YAY!!
Java the syntax I have no problem with. The entire JSE, JEE, JRE, design is what I abhor, and that is mainly from java applets and .jar browser integration.
I personally have a problem with what seems to be the java developer community love of deep class inheritance, and over use of factories. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should when it comes to writing code.
java is not that slow per se, certainly compared to Ruby and Python it's on a whole different league of speed
but for the amount of syntax and structural horseshit they make you wade through, you don't really get the same dividends that you do in C languages
and when you do something dumb like create an entire phone runtime on it, then that lack of speed dividend begins to manifest itself
But it's okay Jasc, we made our runtime faster and use less battery!
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
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Anyone who defends Java as "a perfectly fine language because a lot of people use it" has a very bad argument.
Java could be fucking amazing, but first Sun and then Oracle pissed it's potential away chasing profits and patent BS. C# has long eclipsed Java as a usable language in the "I want a C-style language that isn't C or C++" space.
I would also argue that the TIOBE list is total bullshit as it lists JavaScript as lower than Python and just above VB.Net, which is total bullshit. We know for a fact there are more lines of JavaScript in the world than any other known language. It's easily the most commonly used language in the world, even if the people using it aren't always "programmers".
e: And yes, people make money writing Java, good on them. I'm glad they can make a living. This does not preclude Java from being a stagnant language with bad stewards. Fortran, COBOL and ABAP make people money, this does not make them modern languages that I want to use.
That list is generated based on courses and job listings basically. Like I said, appeal to popularity fallacy there.
The biggest reason I'm pissed off is because blu-ray uses it and I need to wait like 2 minutes for my blu ray player to boot. Oh yeah TWC is using it in their cable boxes now. That's a good 10 minute wait. I remember a few years ago before they switched to that Cisco Java platform it would take maybe 30 seconds for my DVR box to boot and get the channel listing. Now it's easily 10 minutes.
It makes me stabby as fuck.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
I can't help but wonder how much javascript is generated instead of written.
Ten years ago I would have said a lot, but the use of tools like DreamWeaver to plug horrible chunks of JavaScript in to your page for stupid shit like image rotation has gone way way down. CSS covers most of what people used to use generated JS for, and things like jQuery.UI have filled the other holes.
That code is still out there, but the ratio if "bad DreamWeaver JS" to "JS written by human hand" is tipping towards the latter constantly.
That list is generated based on courses and job listings basically. Like I said, appeal to popularity fallacy there.
The biggest reason I'm pissed off is because blu-ray uses it and I need to wait like 2 minutes for my blu ray player to boot. Oh yeah TWC is using it in their cable boxes now. That's a good 10 minute wait. I remember a few years ago before they switched to that Cisco Java platform it would take maybe 30 seconds for my DVR box to boot and get the channel listing. Now it's easily 10 minutes.
It makes me stabby as fuck.
Oh okay, then the TIOBE listing is even more complete and utter bullshit as a reasoning for any sort of language discussion. People don't hire "JavaScript programmers", they expect web developers to just know JavaScript (and that required knowledge is usually pretty tacit).
Thanks for that link @bowen. I'm poking around in pdadmin right now... Seems the server IP has a virtualhost already created with that IP... And the type is SSL.
Something that stands out for me is when I do:
server task serverName virtualhost show IPAddressOfServer
It shows the name of the server, and then below it says: "Server State: Not running". But I'm not sure if that's true since typing in the actual servername gets the URL just fine.
This is how you know a company has way too much money and absolutely no clue what to do with them. Actually offering to build something similar should be grounds to get you fired.
I looked at it the other day.
Why wouldn't you just use C++ at that point? You've got to train all your workers on a new language that's basically php++. That seems retarded.
This is what happens when you have money, a massive developer team that knows a language, and you believe that trying to teach them C++ or D would cost more than writing a new language. On top of that, moving to C++ would decrease the feedback loop that Hack provides for type checking, which most likely is the primary point of the language for Facebook.
Facebook currently has people writing the D language, Hack, OCaml ( i think ), a C++ linter, a PHP translator and other compiler level things that I don't remember.
Wait... D? I didn't think any companies were writing d at all. Its too flaky (I found a major compiler bug back when I was playing with it)
This is how you know a company has way too much money and absolutely no clue what to do with them. Actually offering to build something similar should be grounds to get you fired.
I looked at it the other day.
Why wouldn't you just use C++ at that point? You've got to train all your workers on a new language that's basically php++. That seems retarded.
This is what happens when you have money, a massive developer team that knows a language, and you believe that trying to teach them C++ or D would cost more than writing a new language. On top of that, moving to C++ would decrease the feedback loop that Hack provides for type checking, which most likely is the primary point of the language for Facebook.
Facebook currently has people writing the D language, Hack, OCaml ( i think ), a C++ linter, a PHP translator and other compiler level things that I don't remember.
Wait... D? I didn't think any companies were writing d at all. Its too flaky (I found a major compiler bug back when I was playing with it)
Here let me blow your mind.
Andrei Alexandrescu works for facebook now. He is still working on D, and rarely does C++ work. Facebook just released a C++ linter called Flint, which was written in D.
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Stagnant language, less optimized than C# through mono, C/C++ are better options in any environment other than "need RAD UI".
Java is the poorest choice in a sea of poor choices.
Whenever I use https + IP address IE just says page cannot be displayed. No real error code. Also I'm not sure if I can install Wireshark or not...
No because there were actual videos of the agent system working and videos of Wil Wright talking about it working
and yeah the distributed system was always nonsense, but we found out later that the server part was never doing any agent simulation at all, just managing resource flows within regions (which almost makes sense)
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/29395282/#Comment_29395282
The last thing alone is enough to crucify it.
#2 most used programming language
Check and mate.
More prolific, better third party support, actually can find professional developers who program it.
Also, now I remember why I stopped following this thread.
Penny Arcade Rockstar Social Club / This is why I despise cyclists
because you're argumentative for no reason?
Of course, that "used properly" thing is often the sticking-point.
Really though, Java does feel slower (I don't have any benchmarks), and I swear to goodness every GUI that is java-based seems ugly as FUCK and doesn't match the system it's running on. I have to think that's because "multi-platform!" but if your product looks like crap... <shrug>
I'll have to look into that... I really have no idea what I'm doing when I'm trying to troubleshoot this problem. It's a Linux server and it's all command line so I'm wayyyyyy out of my comfort zone on this.
Try that @urahonky
This kind of shit makes me want to quit.
but for the amount of syntax and structural horseshit they make you wade through, you don't really get the same dividends that you do in C languages
and when you do something dumb like create an entire phone runtime on it, then that lack of speed dividend begins to manifest itself
Worked. Made it into a batch file.
I'm guessing this was intentional.
I personally have a problem with what seems to be the java developer community love of deep class inheritance, and over use of factories. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should when it comes to writing code.
But it's okay Jasc, we made our runtime faster and use less battery!
Java could be fucking amazing, but first Sun and then Oracle pissed it's potential away chasing profits and patent BS. C# has long eclipsed Java as a usable language in the "I want a C-style language that isn't C or C++" space.
I would also argue that the TIOBE list is total bullshit as it lists JavaScript as lower than Python and just above VB.Net, which is total bullshit. We know for a fact there are more lines of JavaScript in the world than any other known language. It's easily the most commonly used language in the world, even if the people using it aren't always "programmers".
e: And yes, people make money writing Java, good on them. I'm glad they can make a living. This does not preclude Java from being a stagnant language with bad stewards. Fortran, COBOL and ABAP make people money, this does not make them modern languages that I want to use.
You Vim guys are dedicated, I'll give you that.
Using Lua as the internal script engine does sound like a good idea, though.
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The biggest reason I'm pissed off is because blu-ray uses it and I need to wait like 2 minutes for my blu ray player to boot. Oh yeah TWC is using it in their cable boxes now. That's a good 10 minute wait. I remember a few years ago before they switched to that Cisco Java platform it would take maybe 30 seconds for my DVR box to boot and get the channel listing. Now it's easily 10 minutes.
It makes me stabby as fuck.
Ten years ago I would have said a lot, but the use of tools like DreamWeaver to plug horrible chunks of JavaScript in to your page for stupid shit like image rotation has gone way way down. CSS covers most of what people used to use generated JS for, and things like jQuery.UI have filled the other holes.
That code is still out there, but the ratio if "bad DreamWeaver JS" to "JS written by human hand" is tipping towards the latter constantly.
Oh okay, then the TIOBE listing is even more complete and utter bullshit as a reasoning for any sort of language discussion. People don't hire "JavaScript programmers", they expect web developers to just know JavaScript (and that required knowledge is usually pretty tacit).
I've been dealing with them recently.
Something that stands out for me is when I do:
It shows the name of the server, and then below it says: "Server State: Not running". But I'm not sure if that's true since typing in the actual servername gets the URL just fine.
Semi-rhetorical question, honestly. :P
We had one for a user operation that takes about 15 minutes that said "(this may take a few minutes)".
I finally went and updated it to say "this will take several minutes". Been driving me nuts for like 6 months.
Wait... D? I didn't think any companies were writing d at all. Its too flaky (I found a major compiler bug back when I was playing with it)
Dart, Typescript, Hack... why do these things have to look four times more complicated than the languages they are trying to replace
Here let me blow your mind.
Andrei Alexandrescu works for facebook now. He is still working on D, and rarely does C++ work. Facebook just released a C++ linter called Flint, which was written in D.