If the Omni works okay, like, you work up a sweat in it routinely, it'll be a smash hit.
Treadmills are a major product that sells like wildfire. If you can buy the omni at that price (and that is cheap by treadmill standards) and sprint through virtual worlds in it, there will be no reason for anyone looking a treadmill not to buy one.
There's a whole market of "virtual rides" for people to put on TV while using an exercise bike (guess the Rift will be taking over that space). Virtual runs would be a big one for the omni in the same market.
Seriously, if they can get it to work robustly enough, it will dominate.
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You cannot help but look like an idiot when using it.
But it is a great experience.
Like I said, I'm a believer. Just got a new top of the line iMac too, that I know should be able to push anything the rift will be expected to do in the near future.
Going to be interesting times.
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If the Omni works okay, like, you work up a sweat in it routinely, it'll be a smash hit.
Treadmills are a major product that sells like wildfire. If you can buy the omni at that price (and that is cheap by treadmill standards) and sprint through virtual worlds in it, there will be no reason for anyone looking a treadmill not to buy one.
There's a whole market of "virtual rides" for people to put on TV while using an exercise bike (guess the Rift will be taking over that space). Virtual runs would be a big one for the omni in the same market.
Seriously, if they can get it to work robustly enough, it will dominate.
Okay, yeah... I would set up an Omni in my apartment if I could download tons of awesome environments to run through and look around / enjoy.
That said, they NEED to come up with a way for the Rift to not become sweat-soaked and awful. Maybe specialized washable " fitness" straps and easily replaceable padding?
SW-4158-3990-6116
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
If the Omni works okay, like, you work up a sweat in it routinely, it'll be a smash hit.
Treadmills are a major product that sells like wildfire. If you can buy the omni at that price (and that is cheap by treadmill standards) and sprint through virtual worlds in it, there will be no reason for anyone looking a treadmill not to buy one.
There's a whole market of "virtual rides" for people to put on TV while using an exercise bike (guess the Rift will be taking over that space). Virtual runs would be a big one for the omni in the same market.
Seriously, if they can get it to work robustly enough, it will dominate.
Okay, yeah... I would set up an Omni in my apartment if I could download tons of awesome environments to run through and look around / enjoy.
That said, they NEED to come up with a way for the Rift to not become sweat-soaked and awful. Maybe specialized washable " fitness" straps and easily replaceable padding?
Oh man, I hadn't thought of that. I sweat like I'm trying to put out a raging inferno. Things could get gross very quickly with a full headset on.
So I've been thinking about starting a small arcade and the problem with the Omni are mostly the shoes (I'd have to buy like 10 pairs? possibly more?). What are your feelings about the Cyvberith Virutalizer in comparison? Any weaknesses vs the Omni?
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If the Omni works okay, like, you work up a sweat in it routinely, it'll be a smash hit.
Treadmills are a major product that sells like wildfire. If you can buy the omni at that price (and that is cheap by treadmill standards) and sprint through virtual worlds in it, there will be no reason for anyone looking a treadmill not to buy one.
There's a whole market of "virtual rides" for people to put on TV while using an exercise bike (guess the Rift will be taking over that space). Virtual runs would be a big one for the omni in the same market.
Seriously, if they can get it to work robustly enough, it will dominate.
Okay, yeah... I would set up an Omni in my apartment if I could download tons of awesome environments to run through and look around / enjoy.
That said, they NEED to come up with a way for the Rift to not become sweat-soaked and awful. Maybe specialized washable " fitness" straps and easily replaceable padding?
yeah that's definitely an issue that would need to be addressed, that and actually keeping the rift secured on your head. I imagine at full clip every time you put your foot down the thing would bounce on your face which would be really immersion breaking at best and super vomit inducing at worst.
I dunno, with the overhead strap and the normal straps on tight it's pretty difficult to get it to shift. I had a friend of mine going pretty crazy with Dumpy the Elephant (no idea how they didn't vomit) and it didn't shift an inch.
Ehhhh, the same kind of predictions were made for every previous step in telecommunications technology. Palmer should know better than to wildly extrapolate from the present, even if he's just been given two billion dollars.
Ummmmm that's not the creepy part. These are the creepy parts:
The interviewer also asked Luckey about the potential for virtual reality technologies like Oculus Rift to make people feel isolated, staying in their homes instead of going outside. He didn't have much of an answer for this concern, but said people won't care much if virtual reality tech can become so advanced that the line between fantasy and reality is indistinguishable.
"Physically isolated, maybe. But I don't think socially isolated. If anything, I think VR is one of the most potentially connecting technologies we have out there," Luckey said. "I guess you will have to ask yourself, 'Why do we care if we're physically isolated if we're mentally connected?' If you can perfectly simulate reality, why do you need to actually go see people in real life?"
Until you solve the Uncanny Valley problem, people will almost never prioritize seeing one another in a virtual space over a real one.
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take a look around! people are already insanely isolated. I see packs of kids all roaming together with their eyes glued to their cellphones, texting each other rather than lifting their heads and moving their lips. The last time I was in a metro and the last time I was on a bus, the vast majority of people had their headphones on and/or earbuds in and trying desperately to not make eye contact with anyone. I know kids who get home from school and play video games on xbox live until they go to bed.
What difference does it make if we're physically isolated compared to the effectively isolated we are now?
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take a look around! people are already insanely isolated. I see packs of kids all roaming together with their eyes glued to their cellphones, texting each other rather than lifting their heads and moving their lips. The last time I was in a metro and the last time I was on a bus, the vast majority of people had their headphones on and/or earbuds in and trying desperately to not make eye contact with anyone. I know kids who get home from school and play video games on xbox live until they go to bed.
What difference does it make if we're physically isolated compared to the effectively isolated we are now?
The point is that we're headed in a very bad direction. Isolation, social media, privacy - it's all part of the same unstoppable march of technology. The creator of VR literally said that physical human contact is useless in his future, a guy who was payed $2 billion by Zuckerberg. Considering how ludicrously powerful Zuckerberg is, I should probably start looking at a place in the mountains to go off the grid in 10 or so years when the social isolation of today looks like a fucking party in comparison.
Even writing this, I feel kind of like a hypocrite since I use facebook and own an iPhone and do all of those things everyone else does. But there isn't really a choice - people just don't talk on the phone anymore. They tell me to text them, email them, or facebook them. You actually have to be a part of the problem if you want to be involved in the world, but before the new normal truly becomes 1984 I can see myself just giving the fuck up completely and joining a commune in Iceland or something.
Some of that OMGisolation! stuff is crap, though; I've seen some sociological research suggesting that while people talk more about isolation, it's actually not more prevalent on the whole. Especially young people use social media etc. *in addition to* socialising in person. Not saying that things aren't changing, but there seems to be little concrete evidence that they're getting steadily worse, and even less evidence that this is due to technology and social media.
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Ok, yeah, I'm pretty sure I live in the same time period as you guys, yet somehow I'm not in some dystopian future where the only eye contact is made with the screen of a smartphone. Yes, you can go outside and probably see some people fiddling with their phones or tablets. But I can also hear children playing in the street, and there's the occasional jogger, or a person walking their dog. When I go to uni every weekday, I usually spend an hour or two just chilling out in the coffeeshop with friends, as are mostly everyone else sitting at the tables. The introduction of new technologies does not a dead society make.
I dunno, maybe it helps that I don't live in the USA? Or maybe all this talk is just "I'm an old person and back in my days, everything was perfect."
Edit: i love that I posted this from an iPod.
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@AkimboEG: This is where we reveal to you that your joggers'n'dog walkers reality with its chilling out in coffeeshops is actually just a highly realistic VR simulation on the Facebook OmniRift 3001. That iPod you posted from? An in-app purchase.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Ok, yeah, I'm pretty sure I live in the same time period as you guys, yet somehow I'm not in some dystopian future where the only eye contact is made with the screen of a smartphone. Yes, you can go outside and probably see some people fiddling with their phones or tablets. But I can also hear children playing in the street, and there's the occasional jogger, or a person walking their dog. When I go to uni every weekday, I usually spend an hour or two just chilling out in the coffeeshop with friends, as are mostly everyone else sitting at the tables. The introduction of new technologies does not a dead society make.
I dunno, maybe it helps that I don't live in the USA? Or maybe all this talk is just "I'm an old person and back in my days, everything was perfect."
Edit: i love that I posted this from an iPod.
Children and people running kind of have no choice but to not have a screen in front of their face. To me the biggest thing is just the cultural shift from talking on the phone to texting. Everything else is just an extension of that mindset. Though on the other hand I think Skype is a wonderful thing, so technology really is as beneficial as you want it to be (like any tool).
VR could be and probably is awesome for gaming. But as a tool to encourage people to avoid physical interaction, it's scary.
It's not to discourage physical interaction. It's to make you feel less sad about no having the money to visit you relatives on the other side of the planet, because you can meet them in VR.
I don't understand, if you think Skype is a wonderful thing, how can you be scared of VR, since it's a step further in the direction of texting -> Skype -> VR -> reality?
I mean if they simulate touch, facial expressions and maybe even body warmth in 100%, there really IS no difference in meeting someone in VR or reality. Psychologically as well!
My mother tried to use the "Everybody on a bus just has their face in a screen" example as well, and it's actually bunk if you put some thought into it. As a general rule I've found, few people are ever sociable with complete strangers, even in an otherwise social situation. People don't talk to one another on the bus, or in line at the store, or to random passersby on the street. With the bus example, the "Better in my day" alternative was people staring out the window or at the back of the seat. How was that any better? If anything the people texting are connecting a hell of a lot more now, it's just with their friends who don't happen to be right next to them at that exact moment in time.
As far as texting and phone calling, it also seems kind of bad at first, but the more I thought about it, it's just a natural evolution of conversation. The interpersonal phone call still has its place in the world, when you have a long, time intensive topic to discuss. But for quick 2 second questions and shit? That don't require an immediate response? Like "Where do you wanna go for dinner tonight?". I can either:
-Put my life on pause for a moment and dial my friend.
-Sit there and wait while the phone rings.
-If he/she doesn't answer, then this whole endeavor was a waste of time, else...
-Have them put their life on pause while they answer the phone.
-Ask the question, get a response.
-Either awkwardly try to make some random conversation to justify the call more, or...
-End the call.
Or just text the question and continue on. Then when they get a free convenient minute, they can text the answer back. There's just little point in going through the whole song and dance of a phone call for this stuff. Especially if you have other quick topics to discuss throughout the day. You're either phoning each other over and over, or you wait until you've built up enough to justify a phone call.
As an aside, I will say to the people who hold entire conversations via text for 20+ minutes, staring at the screen the whole time as you wait for the other's response? Dial the fucking phone already.
And finally, as far as VR replacing any of these methods of interaction wholesale, I can't see it happening. For example, on the west coast we have lil' Timmy Johnson, and on the east his Gran-Gran. So when they want to see one another, and they put on their VR headsets... what exactly are they going to see? A 3D approximation of one another? Do they connect to a camera in each other's house, in which case they get a view of the other wearing a headset? A simple Skype call is going to trump the hell out of this when people want to see the other's face. There is a ton of work and progress to be done on this front before it ever becomes a worry.
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I don't think this will be any more isolationist than any other tech.
We all have a finite amount of free time. Whether it's a large amount (me in college) or a small amount (me married with a kid and job). VR is simply an alternative way to spend that time. It's not going to change our human interactions aside from making touching base with distant friends or family better or making gaming feel more real and possibly more social. Most of us will still physically go to work, buy groceries, go to restaurants, go out on weekends, play soccer with the kid, etc. VR will be in the same fun time we already spent playing games or watching Honey Boo Boo or catching up on friends on Facebook. Hopefully, if anything it will make those solitary forms of entertainment feel more rich.
I know that I find building in Minecrift way more fulfilling than Minecraft at the moment partially because once a build a house I can go inside and peek out the windows or climb a giant rainbow up to a castle in the sky and look down below my feet to see zombies wandering about.
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Ok, yeah, I'm pretty sure I live in the same time period as you guys, yet somehow I'm not in some dystopian future where the only eye contact is made with the screen of a smartphone. Yes, you can go outside and probably see some people fiddling with their phones or tablets. But I can also hear children playing in the street, and there's the occasional jogger, or a person walking their dog. When I go to uni every weekday, I usually spend an hour or two just chilling out in the coffeeshop with friends, as are mostly everyone else sitting at the tables. The introduction of new technologies does not a dead society make.
I dunno, maybe it helps that I don't live in the USA? Or maybe all this talk is just "I'm an old person and back in my days, everything was perfect."
Edit: i love that I posted this from an iPod.
I just mentioned stuff like that because I don't think the alarmist OMGIsolation stance is any more specific to VR than it is to any of the other modern conveniences we have.
This a game using the Virtuix Omni natively rather than as equivilent keystrokes, and it apparently functions much better this way.
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An OR plus some sort of treadmill setup is something I could definitely see getting for exercise stuff.
The big problem there is that it already takes a heavy-duty treadmill for me to run at a good pace without halfway shaking the thing apart, and gaming equipment is never built to really be very robust as it is. I doubt the Omni is really up to the task of handling most people moving at even a moderate jog, simply by virtue of how you have to be hooked into the thing.
That's not to say that being able to have a VR treadmill in the next couple of years wouldn't intrigue me greatly since running bores me to death, but I can see some major hurdles there to get past in the "getting this to actually work without killing people" category.
I won't be rude enough to ask how much you weigh, but here's the official word from Omni:
Can anyone, small or tall, use the Omni?
Yes, the final production waist support ring will be adjustable to accommodate heights ranging from 4’8” up to 6’5”, and a maximum user weight of 285 pounds.
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I can kind of see where Ninja is coming from, I'm 235 and the treadmill at the gym will shake if I'm running too hard. IANAEngineer, but wouldn't the full surround design of the Omni help prevent something from shaking in the same way as the tower of a treadmill? Having a harness strapped to a person might also make a difference.
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I tried out the Rift at PAX and the demo was garbage. I thought they'd be showing off DK2 but the screen door effect was so in your face this couldn't possibly be. The rift didn't seal so I could see the real floor and my hands. The attendant said that was normal :wtf: .
Then nothing happened in the demo for awhile because they forgot to spawn the knights. Couch Knights seems like the wrong demo to show off the rift. I did enjoy jumping in my opponents lap and stabbing him in the eyes though.
I tried out the Rift at PAX and the demo was garbage. I thought they'd be showing off DK2 but the screen door effect was so in your face this couldn't possibly be. The rift didn't seal so I could see the real floor and my hands. The attendant said that was normal :wtf: .
Then nothing happened in the demo for awhile because they forgot to spawn the knights. Couch Knights seems like the wrong demo to show off the rift. I did enjoy jumping in my opponents lap and stabbing him in the eyes though.
That... is a really weird demo. After using the normal and HD Rift, there is no way you should see anything but the screen and some black around the edges. The attendant was flat-out wrong.
The screen door effect on the normal Rift is jarring, I will agree. The HD Rift was a little better, but it was still quite noticable. Crystal Cove, though, looks pretty good from everything I've seen (though sadly never had a chance to try it personally), and that was pretty far off DK2 and CV1. I'm pretty confident they'll manage to nip that particular issue in the bud.
My only real concern right now is the FOV. The black borders were the most concerning thing for me when I used the Rift, and I've heard little on improvement in that area.
I was just coming here to say, the Rift has certainly made it, because my mom just told me about it, because there was some cute story about how someone wrote to OR because their elderly relative was home-bound or something and they wanted to let her try something new, so they sent her a kit and she explored a beautiful little village.
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Treadmills are a major product that sells like wildfire. If you can buy the omni at that price (and that is cheap by treadmill standards) and sprint through virtual worlds in it, there will be no reason for anyone looking a treadmill not to buy one.
There's a whole market of "virtual rides" for people to put on TV while using an exercise bike (guess the Rift will be taking over that space). Virtual runs would be a big one for the omni in the same market.
Seriously, if they can get it to work robustly enough, it will dominate.
You cannot help but look like an idiot when using it.
But it is a great experience.
Like I said, I'm a believer. Just got a new top of the line iMac too, that I know should be able to push anything the rift will be expected to do in the near future.
Going to be interesting times.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Okay, yeah... I would set up an Omni in my apartment if I could download tons of awesome environments to run through and look around / enjoy.
That said, they NEED to come up with a way for the Rift to not become sweat-soaked and awful. Maybe specialized washable " fitness" straps and easily replaceable padding?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Oh man, I hadn't thought of that. I sweat like I'm trying to put out a raging inferno. Things could get gross very quickly with a full headset on.
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yeah that's definitely an issue that would need to be addressed, that and actually keeping the rift secured on your head. I imagine at full clip every time you put your foot down the thing would bounce on your face which would be really immersion breaking at best and super vomit inducing at worst.
The sweat may be an issue though for exercise.
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So, basically...
This is pretty much a Snow Crash quote. I don't see how it's creepy.
What difference does it make if we're physically isolated compared to the effectively isolated we are now?
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The point is that we're headed in a very bad direction. Isolation, social media, privacy - it's all part of the same unstoppable march of technology. The creator of VR literally said that physical human contact is useless in his future, a guy who was payed $2 billion by Zuckerberg. Considering how ludicrously powerful Zuckerberg is, I should probably start looking at a place in the mountains to go off the grid in 10 or so years when the social isolation of today looks like a fucking party in comparison.
Even writing this, I feel kind of like a hypocrite since I use facebook and own an iPhone and do all of those things everyone else does. But there isn't really a choice - people just don't talk on the phone anymore. They tell me to text them, email them, or facebook them. You actually have to be a part of the problem if you want to be involved in the world, but before the new normal truly becomes 1984 I can see myself just giving the fuck up completely and joining a commune in Iceland or something.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I dunno, maybe it helps that I don't live in the USA? Or maybe all this talk is just "I'm an old person and back in my days, everything was perfect."
Edit: i love that I posted this from an iPod.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Children and people running kind of have no choice but to not have a screen in front of their face. To me the biggest thing is just the cultural shift from talking on the phone to texting. Everything else is just an extension of that mindset. Though on the other hand I think Skype is a wonderful thing, so technology really is as beneficial as you want it to be (like any tool).
VR could be and probably is awesome for gaming. But as a tool to encourage people to avoid physical interaction, it's scary.
I don't understand, if you think Skype is a wonderful thing, how can you be scared of VR, since it's a step further in the direction of texting -> Skype -> VR -> reality?
I mean if they simulate touch, facial expressions and maybe even body warmth in 100%, there really IS no difference in meeting someone in VR or reality. Psychologically as well!
As far as texting and phone calling, it also seems kind of bad at first, but the more I thought about it, it's just a natural evolution of conversation. The interpersonal phone call still has its place in the world, when you have a long, time intensive topic to discuss. But for quick 2 second questions and shit? That don't require an immediate response? Like "Where do you wanna go for dinner tonight?". I can either:
-Put my life on pause for a moment and dial my friend.
-Sit there and wait while the phone rings.
-If he/she doesn't answer, then this whole endeavor was a waste of time, else...
-Have them put their life on pause while they answer the phone.
-Ask the question, get a response.
-Either awkwardly try to make some random conversation to justify the call more, or...
-End the call.
Or just text the question and continue on. Then when they get a free convenient minute, they can text the answer back. There's just little point in going through the whole song and dance of a phone call for this stuff. Especially if you have other quick topics to discuss throughout the day. You're either phoning each other over and over, or you wait until you've built up enough to justify a phone call.
As an aside, I will say to the people who hold entire conversations via text for 20+ minutes, staring at the screen the whole time as you wait for the other's response? Dial the fucking phone already.
And finally, as far as VR replacing any of these methods of interaction wholesale, I can't see it happening. For example, on the west coast we have lil' Timmy Johnson, and on the east his Gran-Gran. So when they want to see one another, and they put on their VR headsets... what exactly are they going to see? A 3D approximation of one another? Do they connect to a camera in each other's house, in which case they get a view of the other wearing a headset? A simple Skype call is going to trump the hell out of this when people want to see the other's face. There is a ton of work and progress to be done on this front before it ever becomes a worry.
We all have a finite amount of free time. Whether it's a large amount (me in college) or a small amount (me married with a kid and job). VR is simply an alternative way to spend that time. It's not going to change our human interactions aside from making touching base with distant friends or family better or making gaming feel more real and possibly more social. Most of us will still physically go to work, buy groceries, go to restaurants, go out on weekends, play soccer with the kid, etc. VR will be in the same fun time we already spent playing games or watching Honey Boo Boo or catching up on friends on Facebook. Hopefully, if anything it will make those solitary forms of entertainment feel more rich.
I know that I find building in Minecrift way more fulfilling than Minecraft at the moment partially because once a build a house I can go inside and peek out the windows or climb a giant rainbow up to a castle in the sky and look down below my feet to see zombies wandering about.
I just mentioned stuff like that because I don't think the alarmist OMGIsolation stance is any more specific to VR than it is to any of the other modern conveniences we have.
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This a game using the Virtuix Omni natively rather than as equivilent keystrokes, and it apparently functions much better this way.
The big problem there is that it already takes a heavy-duty treadmill for me to run at a good pace without halfway shaking the thing apart, and gaming equipment is never built to really be very robust as it is. I doubt the Omni is really up to the task of handling most people moving at even a moderate jog, simply by virtue of how you have to be hooked into the thing.
That's not to say that being able to have a VR treadmill in the next couple of years wouldn't intrigue me greatly since running bores me to death, but I can see some major hurdles there to get past in the "getting this to actually work without killing people" category.
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Then nothing happened in the demo for awhile because they forgot to spawn the knights. Couch Knights seems like the wrong demo to show off the rift. I did enjoy jumping in my opponents lap and stabbing him in the eyes though.
yes the screen door model sucks, but I managed the next model size up and it was slick.
sorry you didn't get the real deal man.
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That... is a really weird demo. After using the normal and HD Rift, there is no way you should see anything but the screen and some black around the edges. The attendant was flat-out wrong.
The screen door effect on the normal Rift is jarring, I will agree. The HD Rift was a little better, but it was still quite noticable. Crystal Cove, though, looks pretty good from everything I've seen (though sadly never had a chance to try it personally), and that was pretty far off DK2 and CV1. I'm pretty confident they'll manage to nip that particular issue in the bud.
My only real concern right now is the FOV. The black borders were the most concerning thing for me when I used the Rift, and I've heard little on improvement in that area.
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Ok, if you ever needed more attention to the Rift, the only thing that's going to top this in the media circles is if Obama puts one on.
sorry, had to add it.
was a really sweet story though.
But the point being that the Rift is making waves in mom circles.
can you explain to me why you had to add that?