Badassdigest lists some more things to keep in mind when it comes to recent MCU developments
- At some point Marvel took Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish off the Ant-Man script and gave it to Eric Pearson (he wrote all the One-Shots).
- Whedon has said that Age of Ultron is the finale to his time with Marvel
- Thor 2 was taken away from director Alan Taylor in post and another director was brought on to shoot additional material
- Kevin Feige's contract with Marvel is up in 2018
- Disney is apparently getting more and more hands-on with the MCU
they're still citing Latino Review as source for basically all of it, though
Only for Goddard leaving and for the reason behind Edgar Wright leaving. They didn't say that Pearson was the one brought on to rewrite the script.
Because I know he talked about how Thanos is his plan for Avengers 3 and Ultron was always the plan for 2, which kinda contradicts "nah I'm just doing 2" wholesale
Because I know he talked about how Thanos is his plan for Avengers 3 and Ultron was always the plan for 2, which kinda contradicts "nah I'm just doing 2" wholesale
Nope! Which is weird since Devin has usually been pretty reliable with his reporting. Maybe he'll post something in the comments
Rhodey and Bucky taking over for Tony and Steve is the fastest way for me to lose interest in a significant section of the MCU.
What
why?
Don Cheadle is just as charismatic as RDJ and Bucky-as-Cap is a super interesting character and distinct enough from Steve that it won't feel like he's just a carbon copy
I know he's not ancient, but you gotta wonder if they'd be gunshy about starting a spinoff with a dude that'd be in his mid-50s by the time they started the first one
Honestly post A3 they should probably wait more than a few years before trying to do another Avengers movie (specifically). They should be able to play with Guardians, and they could probably do a Thunderbolts movie with little to no advanced setup needed (depending on who they use, obviously). And there will be other properties as well.
I know he's not ancient, but you gotta wonder if they'd be gunshy about starting a spinoff with a dude that'd be in his mid-50s by the time they started the first one
Eh, he doesn't look 49 at all
and, like RDJ, Iron Man is the best superhero to have an older actor for because all of their crazy action scenes are in a largely CGI suit
It's not really just a matter of how they look. It's a matter of them spending a hundred plus million dollars on a movie. And Don Cheadle's in great shape! But he's only gonna get older, and that starts being riskier to build a franchise around.
And honestly...part of the advantage of having a big, cinematic universe like this should be that you can retire a character for a while and let others fill the gaps. They don't need to perpetually have an Iron Man or Iron Man spinoff in development. Of course the real test is how Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant Man do, but it's not like they don't have more conventional heroes waiting in the wings.
The way I'd want it after Avengers 3 is to leave all the main avengers in supporting roles, so they can be brought into future films, but
Tony retires and becomes an outfitter for the Avengers, low capacity cameos
Steve becomes the new head of SHIELD, still kicks ass every now and then (dude is still young)
Thor becomes King of Asgard, still kicks ass every now and then (also still young)
Hulk... man I wish we got one more Hulk movie where they could smarten him up a bit, because I'd do Planet Hulk as the first Phase 4 film and end with him as King of Sakaar, finally at peace with a planet where his Savage Hulk side is not only accepted, but an asset. Maybe have him show up in future cosmic films.
Hawkeye.. gets his own miniseries based on Hawkguy.
if they do spinoffs with the secondary heroes that have already been in Marvel movies they should have a thing in Avengers 2 or 3 where all the core avengers go down and the other guys have to step up and fuck ultron or thanos up
honestly though if they're going to spin off from captain america they're going to spin off towards bucky
They have a fun relationship and there's no way they have both a Falcon and a BuckyCap franchise, and Bucky's story is most definitely worth telling (which Marvel agrees with given that insane contract they had him sign)
They have a fun relationship and there's no way they have both a Falcon and a BuckyCap franchise, and Bucky's story is most definitely worth telling (which Marvel agrees with given that insane contract they had him sign)
more duo movies would be great
black widow and hawkeye, ant-man and wasp, captain marvel and iron patriot, hulk and she-hulk
I'd honestly rather they role out new franchises than put out a slate of movies that are just legacy characters.
I mostly agree
I just assume there's going to be a sort of transition period where we have guys like Rhodey and Bucky filling in the gap left behind by the first generation of MCU characters, to create a sense of continuity
I'd honestly rather they role out new franchises than put out a slate of movies that are just legacy characters.
I mean
they're going to do both
We're getting Ant-Man, Dr. Strange and Guardians
but unless each of those are massive billion dollar successes we will still get some form of Iron Man, Cap and maybe Thor movies
they're too vital to the Marvel brand and proven hits several times over
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If we do see a Don Cheadle solo flick, I'd like it to be Rhodey refusing military control and taking over the Iron Man mantle (Iron-Mantle?) Between that and Bucky Cap, if Marvel can sell audiences on the idea of legacy heroes, all casting problems will be solved before they happen.
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I have serious doubts on the viability of the Iron Man franchise without RDJ.
Like, I imagine they can get it to Thor or Cap level successes, but I don't see them making a billion dollars again.
I mean they've been seeding Rhodey as a successor for two movies now
and he's the only non-Avengers 1 dude showing up in Age of Ultron
all they need is a good passing the torch moment in Avengers 3. Cheadle has proven he can punch in RDJ's weightclass performance-wise, they just need to make audiences accept him as Iron Man
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Only for Goddard leaving and for the reason behind Edgar Wright leaving. They didn't say that Pearson was the one brought on to rewrite the script.
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I mean that's RDJ's last movie per his current contract, right? So you'll have to figure out what to do with that.
Same with Chris Evans, although I guess he'll have Captain America 3 the year after
I guess I'm not sure about Chris Hemsworth or any of the others
Post-A3, if they're smart, they'll have Rhodey and Bucky take over for Tony and Steve
even if it's not true I want people to think it's true so that everything that comes from there is immediately disregarded
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Because I know he talked about how Thanos is his plan for Avengers 3 and Ultron was always the plan for 2, which kinda contradicts "nah I'm just doing 2" wholesale
there's a reason phase 3 is setting up a bunch of new franchises
Oh, right, my bad on that.
And yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Rhodey especially almost feels like he's being vetted to replace Tony.
Nope! Which is weird since Devin has usually been pretty reliable with his reporting. Maybe he'll post something in the comments
why?
Don Cheadle is just as charismatic as RDJ and Bucky-as-Cap is a super interesting character and distinct enough from Steve that it won't feel like he's just a carbon copy
I know he's not ancient, but you gotta wonder if they'd be gunshy about starting a spinoff with a dude that'd be in his mid-50s by the time they started the first one
And Bucky Cap had a great run, but he's not the Cap I want. Just my preference.
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and, like RDJ, Iron Man is the best superhero to have an older actor for because all of their crazy action scenes are in a largely CGI suit
Goddard is still on board in some capacity and the new showrunner doesn't sound that bad
similarly I would like to see falcon inherit cap-style movies, but still as the falcon
for thor, beta ray bill as beta ray bill
And honestly...part of the advantage of having a big, cinematic universe like this should be that you can retire a character for a while and let others fill the gaps. They don't need to perpetually have an Iron Man or Iron Man spinoff in development. Of course the real test is how Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant Man do, but it's not like they don't have more conventional heroes waiting in the wings.
I'd prefer War Machine to Iron Patriot, but otherwise I agree
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Tony retires and becomes an outfitter for the Avengers, low capacity cameos
Steve becomes the new head of SHIELD, still kicks ass every now and then (dude is still young)
Thor becomes King of Asgard, still kicks ass every now and then (also still young)
Hulk... man I wish we got one more Hulk movie where they could smarten him up a bit, because I'd do Planet Hulk as the first Phase 4 film and end with him as King of Sakaar, finally at peace with a planet where his Savage Hulk side is not only accepted, but an asset. Maybe have him show up in future cosmic films.
Hawkeye.. gets his own miniseries based on Hawkguy.
Black Widow can get some movies of her own.
honestly though if they're going to spin off from captain america they're going to spin off towards bucky
They have a fun relationship and there's no way they have both a Falcon and a BuckyCap franchise, and Bucky's story is most definitely worth telling (which Marvel agrees with given that insane contract they had him sign)
more duo movies would be great
black widow and hawkeye, ant-man and wasp, captain marvel and iron patriot, hulk and she-hulk
war machine was a little too aggressive, iron patriot sends a better message
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I mostly agree
I just assume there's going to be a sort of transition period where we have guys like Rhodey and Bucky filling in the gap left behind by the first generation of MCU characters, to create a sense of continuity
they're going to do both
We're getting Ant-Man, Dr. Strange and Guardians
but unless each of those are massive billion dollar successes we will still get some form of Iron Man, Cap and maybe Thor movies
they're too vital to the Marvel brand and proven hits several times over
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Like, I imagine they can get it to Thor or Cap level successes, but I don't see them making a billion dollars again.
and he's the only non-Avengers 1 dude showing up in Age of Ultron
all they need is a good passing the torch moment in Avengers 3. Cheadle has proven he can punch in RDJ's weightclass performance-wise, they just need to make audiences accept him as Iron Man