So if there was nothing there all along, who wrote the LISTEN thing on the chalkboard at the beginning of the episode?
My take...
He did and simply forgot. I think it's clear they're showing this Doctor has a more brilliant/eccentric side. He was travelling around by himself for however long and got bored or fixated on this whole "invisible companion" idea. I also wonder if they're not possibly toying around with the notion that the Doctor is getting relatively "old" for a Time Lord and is getting forgetful. In Deep Breath I first thought his struggling to remember the SS Madame de Pompadour was just his "usual" post-regeneration fatigue... I mean come on, this was a woman he fell in love with seeming pretty hard. Then I remember that this happened over 900 years ago to him.
New Doctor's new attitude is such a brilliant watch. Would be an absolute dick to actually travel with though. Give it a few more episodes and I could totally see Clara saying screw this for a lark.
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Yeah, I love that new dynamic they have. The adventure is still fun, but I feel like Clara's still just doing Eleven a favor, and eventually she'll stop mourning him, stop feeling like she owes Twelve anything and just up and leave.
The thing is, in a fantasy show about time travel, I think it's pretty okay that the mythology and continuity is inconsistent.
[nerd rant] Doctor Who is science fiction, the Doctor isn't a wizard. [nerd rant]
I mean, you're not strictly wrong, but the Doctor had may as well be a wizard, the sonic a wand, and the TARDIS his bitchin' time-traveling horse. They don't lean heavily on the science like somebody like Heinlein or Scalzi does.
Funnily enough, I was going through one of the old Handbooks from the '90s last night and found this Hartnell quote from 1965:
The scriptwriters sometimes try to make Dr. Who use expressions like "centrifugal force", but I refuse. If it all gets too technical, the children don't understand and they lose interest. After all, it's an adventure story, not a scientific documentary. And Dr. Who isn't a scientist. He's a wizard.
Even though I love when the Doctor goes all scientist/inventor (and I do like my Who to use somewhat firmer science), I thought that was a lovely little quote. Partly because I didn't realise the magic/science discussion went back that far, but mostly because it shows how wonderful and invested in the role Hartnell was.
The thing is, in a fantasy show about time travel, I think it's pretty okay that the mythology and continuity is inconsistent.
[nerd rant] Doctor Who is science fiction, the Doctor isn't a wizard. [nerd rant]
I mean, you're not strictly wrong, but the Doctor had may as well be a wizard, the sonic a wand, and the TARDIS his bitchin' time-traveling horse. They don't lean heavily on the science like somebody like Heinlein or Scalzi does.
Funnily enough, I was going through one of the old Handbooks from the '90s last night and found this Hartnell quote from 1965:
The scriptwriters sometimes try to make Dr. Who use expressions like "centrifugal force", but I refuse. If it all gets too technical, the children don't understand and they lose interest. After all, it's an adventure story, not a scientific documentary. And Dr. Who isn't a scientist. He's a wizard.
Even though I love when the Doctor goes all scientist/inventor (and I do like my Who to use somewhat firmer science), I thought that was a lovely little quote. Partly because I didn't realise the magic/science discussion went back that far, but mostly because it shows how wonderful and invested in the role Hartnell was.
Yeah, I love that new dynamic they have. The adventure is still fun, but I feel like Clara's still just doing Eleven a favor, and eventually she'll stop mourning him, stop feeling like she owes Twelve anything and just up and leave.
Eh, the end of the first episode kind of contradicts that. She's not doing him a favor, she's accepting it's still him. Now she could just get tired of it, any sane person would, but the Doctor being the cause seems counter to what they're going for.
for there to be nothing there. They got too clever with there being nothing, so there's only nothing because they say so instead of what happened supporting it. The Doctor doesn't know about the writers, though, so him going after it makes sense. Clara wasn't sure, either. And, of course, we know there are things out there even if they weren't in the episode this time.
I think the thing I enjoy the most about Capaldi's doctor is that he has no difficulty with any of his technology. Aside from the thing with Clara, the TARDIS goes where he wants it to go and does it with the flip of a single switch. The screwdriver does what he wants when he wants it.
Regarding the most recent episode:
So if there was nothing there all along, who wrote the LISTEN thing on the chalkboard at the beginning of the episode?
Also regarding the most recent episode:
The Doctor, probably. Clara even comments it looks like his handwriting.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
edited September 2014
Anyone noticed how calm the TARDIS has been in flight since the orange makeover? The 'parking brake' vwarp vwarp is much quieter than the ticking n' clicking of the rotating rings now, and no one's been tossed about or even jerked when it starts moving.
I remember thinking the same thing about Eleven's TARDIS for his first few episodes. And then he started 'maintaining' it and suddenly it was a rough ride. :P
Ed; also a little continuity error with how the TARDIS works in the latest episode
Clara had to stick her hands in goopy fluid controls for the telepathic circuits. In Name of the Doctor, Eleven took her down under the console and had to physically wire Clara into it to do the same thing. It's the same (albeit different coloured) control room, shoulda been the same process.
They had to change the mechanism for the story. It had to be something she could do on her own for the last hop. It made for a better scene due to the lighting and whatnot being up-top, too, and we could see that she was putting the TARDIS in flight from the console. The scene being essentially just wires underneath the console would have lost all of that communication to the audience, plus the danger was visible topside with the rattling doors. The scene from Name of the Doctor was a dark, brooding monologue from Eleven, so it fit being in a dark part of the TARDIS.
They had to change the mechanism for the story. It had to be something she could do on her own for the last hop. It made for a better scene due to the lighting and whatnot being up-top, too, and we could see that she was putting the TARDIS in flight from the console. The scene being essentially just wires underneath the console would have lost all of that communication to the audience, plus the danger was visible topside with the rattling doors. The scene from Name of the Doctor was a dark, brooding monologue from Eleven, so it fit being in a dark part of the TARDIS.
It's not like he hasn't had any time to go and make some changes to the layout. Actually, wasn't he specifically picking up Clara to do the telepathic thing with? Not the least bit unreasonable he built the easier to access station before hand as preparation.
Anyone noticed how calm the TARDIS has been in flight since the orange makeover? The 'parking brake' vwarp vwarp is much quieter than the ticking n' clicking of the rotating rings now, and no one's been tossed about or even jerked when it starts moving.
I remember thinking the same thing about Eleven's TARDIS for his first few episodes. And then he started 'maintaining' it and suddenly it was a rough ride. :P
Ed; also a little continuity error with how the TARDIS works in the latest episode
Clara had to stick her hands in goopy fluid controls for the telepathic circuits. In Name of the Doctor, Eleven took her down under the console and had to physically wire Clara into it to do the same thing. It's the same (albeit different coloured) control room, shoulda been the same process.
Wasn't there a point with Eleven where
He was in a ship that had the goopy controls, and he went "Ooh, psychic controls, I love this"?
I can 100% see him deciding at some point that he wanted psychic controls of his very own in the TARDIS because they were fun. Actually, that's exactly what I thought had happened.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
War Doctor is my new favourite Doctor. Sorry Tom. Has the eu started filling in his backstory?
Yes! There's a pretty great novel called Engines of War out that leads into the last day of the Time War as seen from both the End of Time and Day of the Doctor perspectives.
It's also worth rewatching The Five Doctors before reading Engines of War.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
Still, he needs to find Gallifrey.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
Still, he needs to find Gallifrey.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
War Doctor is my new favourite Doctor. Sorry Tom. Has the eu started filling in his backstory?
Yes! There's a pretty great novel called Engines of War out that leads into the last day of the Time War as seen from both the End of Time and Day of the Doctor perspectives.
It's also worth rewatching The Five Doctors before reading Engines of War.
I echo this. Though I'm only halfway through Engines Of War I think it is fantastic.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
Still, he needs to find Gallifrey.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
I think that was one of the points of the Dalek episode, as well. This Doctor still hates the Daleks, but he's extremely ambivalent about "Destroy the Daleks!" being the defining point of his existence.
If they are going to keep going to the Dalek well - which they are actually contractually obligated to do at least once a season - I'd love to see a story based around the Doctor taking what he learned from the "good" Dalek and trying to save/redeem the Dalek race. That'd actually be a great story to base a Davros return around.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
Still, he needs to find Gallifrey.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
Yeah, they did: No one before Smith remembers.
Nice little touch I liked from the 50th: the last events Nine and Ten would remember from the War Doctor's life would be Gallifrey being (apparently) destroyed, the Daleks being (apparently) wiped out and War laughing as he began to regenerate.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
Still, he needs to find Gallifrey.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
Yeah, they did: No one before Smith remembers.
Yeah, this needs to be reaffirmed; they outright said at the end of it that they'd forget as soon as they left, and that only 11 would remember because that's when time caught up to the actual event. There's even a scene where Tennant is asking Smith spoilery stuff because 'he won't remember anyway'.
It totally did not know about the wizard quote from Hartnel. So, the show is playing off it's roots more that I thought.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
I know its old news now, but spoiling it just in case, because he no longer has the guilt of Gallifrey weighing on him and driving him anymore thanks to the events in The Day of the Doctor. So now he's adrift, aimless, drifting from one spontaneous lark to another.
Still, he needs to find Gallifrey.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
Yeah, they did: No one before Smith remembers.
Yeah, this needs to be reaffirmed; they outright said at the end of it that they'd forget as soon as they left, and that only 11 would remember because that's when time caught up to the actual event. There's even a scene where Tennant is asking Smith spoilery stuff because 'he won't remember anyway'.
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My take...
Funnily enough, I was going through one of the old Handbooks from the '90s last night and found this Hartnell quote from 1965:
Even though I love when the Doctor goes all scientist/inventor (and I do like my Who to use somewhat firmer science), I thought that was a lovely little quote. Partly because I didn't realise the magic/science discussion went back that far, but mostly because it shows how wonderful and invested in the role Hartnell was.
Of course Moffat wrote that.
By alot of accounts Hartnell basically got fired from the position of being the Doctor.
Which is sad because he was also apparently a wonderful, if difficult to work with, man.
Eh, the end of the first episode kind of contradicts that. She's not doing him a favor, she's accepting it's still him. Now she could just get tired of it, any sane person would, but the Doctor being the cause seems counter to what they're going for.
Really, this episode makes you kind of sad for the Doctor. He is acting somewhat damaged lately.
Also regarding the most recent episode:
I remember thinking the same thing about Eleven's TARDIS for his first few episodes. And then he started 'maintaining' it and suddenly it was a rough ride. :P
Ed; also a little continuity error with how the TARDIS works in the latest episode
It's like an automated Red Alert. It goes off when the TARDIS, Doctor or Universe is in immediate danger.
I quite liked that it just went off without much gosh wow the cloister bell is going off. Shit was already real. The bell just emphasised the point.
Wasn't there a point with Eleven where
I can 100% see him deciding at some point that he wanted psychic controls of his very own in the TARDIS because they were fun. Actually, that's exactly what I thought had happened.
It comes across to me as kind of lost because he has yet to discover a purpose
But by God, Capaldi is almost there. I may never refer to him as his number. What is it anyway?
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Yes! There's a pretty great novel called Engines of War out that leads into the last day of the Time War as seen from both the End of Time and Day of the Doctor perspectives.
It's also worth rewatching The Five Doctors before reading Engines of War.
One problem with the end of the 50th Anniversary is that they did not setup a way for the Eccleston Doctor to think he destroyed Gallifrey.
Yeah, they did: No one before Smith remembers.
I echo this. Though I'm only halfway through Engines Of War I think it is fantastic.
Wibbley etc.
If they are going to keep going to the Dalek well - which they are actually contractually obligated to do at least once a season - I'd love to see a story based around the Doctor taking what he learned from the "good" Dalek and trying to save/redeem the Dalek race. That'd actually be a great story to base a Davros return around.
Nice little touch I liked from the 50th: the last events Nine and Ten would remember from the War Doctor's life would be Gallifrey being (apparently) destroyed, the Daleks being (apparently) wiped out and War laughing as he began to regenerate.
Yeah, this needs to be reaffirmed; they outright said at the end of it that they'd forget as soon as they left, and that only 11 would remember because that's when time caught up to the actual event. There's even a scene where Tennant is asking Smith spoilery stuff because 'he won't remember anyway'.
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