Having spent incredibly little brain power thinking about the definition of a poem I will go with a slightly abbreviated version of wikipedia's definition until such a time that I forget about it or find another one I like more
Poetry is a form of literature that uses qualities of language to evoke meanings in addition to, or in place of, the prosaic ostensible meaning
which works for me. I don't see any good argument for calling all language a poem. Pointless word, then.
I think it's absolutely fair to say that all language could potentially be a poem. Again, its all about the framing of it.
"Poetry" that doesn't make a substantial effort to compact a larger amount of meaning or emotion into the poem then you could get by simply speaking plainly is probably not poetry. It's more likely bad english that someone is hoping to obfuscate by claiming it's poetry.
I would need to do more research to confirm this hypothesis but I think it's a pretty solid starting point.
I really disagree with this. There is amazing prose poetry out there. Some of it's maximalist too
I don't have any good counter definition I'm just not on board with the notion that absolutely everything can be defined as a poemn, because then "poetry" is kind of a meaningless word
or, well, I just realized, "poetry is anything called poetry" doesn't include everything
I feel like the definition I want to formulate is one that says something about how poetry has a point more than just plain communication
the difference between going "5.99 please" because you want a man to hand you six dollars, and going "5.99 please" to set a scene or do something interesting with rhythm or evoke something or provoke a thought or
I know Goldberg attorneys phone # by heart because of their commercial jingle from when I was like 10.
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Five eight eight, two three hundred EMPIIIRREEE.
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I am more than happy to treat commercial schlock as high art. And so are plenty of other people. David Trinidad wrote summaries of Peyton Place episodes as Haiku. Richard Brautigan copied an anti-VD ad and called it a poem. Erica Baum took photos of Dog Eared book corners and presented it as Concrete Poetry.
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I am deeply skeptical about the reliability of that deep-seated cognitive sense of awe or newfound insight that occasionally turns up when reflecting upon art (or, drolly, working papers)
sometimes it really is a novel idea, but more often it is a coincidental synchronicity. oh, your brain goes. you kinda sorta filed a similar-looking idea away in working memory a while ago. here it is again, with the serial number filed off.
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I am more than happy to treat commercial schlock as high art. And so are plenty of other people. David Trinidad wrote summaries of Peyton Place episodes as Haiku. Richard Brautigan copied an anti-VD ad and called it a poem. Erica Baum took photos of Dog Eared book corners and presented it as Concrete Poetry.
I like the little in-joke in the Sonic Boom cartoon show where Sonic explicitly refuses to wear pants, a subtle but humorous jab at Sega's astonished response to some of the designs proposed by the new art team.
Alright and in this next scene all the animals have AIDS.
Having spent incredibly little brain power thinking about the definition of a poem I will go with a slightly abbreviated version of wikipedia's definition until such a time that I forget about it or find another one I like more
Poetry is a form of literature that uses qualities of language to evoke meanings in addition to, or in place of, the prosaic ostensible meaning
which works for me. I don't see any good argument for calling all language a poem. Pointless word, then.
I think it's absolutely fair to say that all language could potentially be a poem. Again, its all about the framing of it.
"Poetry" that doesn't make a substantial effort to compact a larger amount of meaning or emotion into the poem then you could get by simply speaking plainly is probably not poetry. It's more likely bad english that someone is hoping to obfuscate by claiming it's poetry.
I would need to do more research to confirm this hypothesis but I think it's a pretty solid starting point.
I really disagree with this. There is amazing prose poetry out there. Some of it's maximalist too
I agree that poetry that takes more words to say less is amazing.
Just not the good kind of amazing. I also don't find those 8,000 page fantasy novels with endless descriptions of people's breakfast entertaining.
I'm probably just being picky.
every time GRRM orgasms over capons and juices dribbling down chins like waterfalls, I spend seven years finding myself in tibet
Art is a very poor means of trying to create a specific change in society. Art can change things, but how often is it intentional and the results expected?
Probably less effective than a letter writing campaign TBH.
Art is a very poor means of trying to create a specific change in society. Art can change things, but how often is it intentional and the results expected?
Probably less effective than a letter writing campaign TBH.
Art is an interesting barometer of cultural values, and they propagate, through their expression, values and etc of mainstream society
This is why feminism likes looking at depictions of women in media; precisely because art is important as a learning tool for behaviors, norms, and attitudes
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
that applies both ways: you cannot rationalize its value as in contributing toward defeating ideological fascism, because frankly it isn't very good at that either
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what's confusing?
he is sharing a thing he likes.
I don't have any good counter definition I'm just not on board with the notion that absolutely everything can be defined as a poemn, because then "poetry" is kind of a meaningless word
or, well, I just realized, "poetry is anything called poetry" doesn't include everything
I feel like the definition I want to formulate is one that says something about how poetry has a point more than just plain communication
the difference between going "5.99 please" because you want a man to hand you six dollars, and going "5.99 please" to set a scene or do something interesting with rhythm or evoke something or provoke a thought or
because I like it
maybe i'll just put myself in stasis until then
Are you accusing me of being a drunk college graduate wizard?
I don't even know. I just don't know. Once everyone has completed the shift over to emojism communication I will be all alone.
Call goldberg
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600
6 oh 1 4
friend, because I am
always talking,—John, I
sd, which was not his
name, the darkness sur-
rounds us, what
can we do against
it, or else, shall we &
why not, buy a goddamn big car,
drive, he sd, for
christ’s sake, look
out where yr going.
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@surrealitycheck
I do very little of that sort of thing, actually
and none of the important things are about sharing art I like or random thoughts about whatever.
and yeah we could probably have a debate about what importance means but I think we're both talking about society and large and shit, right?
well, I just don't think a thought-provoking art piece is how that shit is changed
sometimes it really is a novel idea, but more often it is a coincidental synchronicity. oh, your brain goes. you kinda sorta filed a similar-looking idea away in working memory a while ago. here it is again, with the serial number filed off.
it's just 'Voice of Fire'
http://haiku.nytimes.com/
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.
they're kind of overplayed and it wasn't a terribly interesting form in english to begin with
tsuyu no yo nagara
sari nagara
when haikus are good, they're real good for me
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I attribute that to avoiding writing more than one poetry analysis in fifteen years of schooling. Nothing better for making you loathe poetry.
lots of people think that haiku have to be 5/7/5
there are plenty of things (like the above) that don't really qualify as haiku despite fitting the metrical restrictions
and there are plenty of haiku that do not fit the metrical structure but are
lol'd in my cubicle
I've analyzed poetry pretty heavily and I love it
it's all about what you're interested in
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
aside from like, gary snyder, i see little reason to read anyone aside from the three masters
Probably less effective than a letter writing campaign TBH.
Me too, but like, it's not because they're haikus. They're just... I dunno, well chosen words written well.
but like, the thing of making anything into a haiku
it's just, it doesn't get anything from me anymore
(so what else is new)
... has been arrested and will be charged under the sedition act
uh
ok
yeah but like in the lower levels of school you don't get to analyze a poem you find interesting
you get to analyze this poem, fuck you.
speaking of art
holy shit this looks like so much fun.
Art is an interesting barometer of cultural values, and they propagate, through their expression, values and etc of mainstream society
This is why feminism likes looking at depictions of women in media; precisely because art is important as a learning tool for behaviors, norms, and attitudes
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
robert creeley is good
a little outside of my interests these days but definitely someone to read
there's a weird messianic vibe to a lot of them, though
to the point where I wonder if they're basically just Christian things with the numbers filed off
"during your times of trial and suffering, when you only see one set of footprints, it was then that Lee Kuan Yew carried you"
Welcome to the Concrete Island Jungle, we've got sedition laws and a really interesting self-censoring press?
I got a little excited when I saw your ship.