Present isn't enough. They have to not vote, leave the building and not be there. If they are present then pelosi does not have a majority of voting members, only a plurality.
Present isn't enough. They have to not vote, leave the building and not be there. If they are present then pelosi does not have a majority of voting members, only a plurality.
Is this different from a normal floor vote? Present isn't abstain and they do not contribute to the total number of voting members present. The D's did this awhile ago on the hard line GOP budget and made them hustle to make sure it didn't pass.
Now traditionally I don't think people typically don't vote "present" for speaker because it's the very first party line vote and showing a lack of loyalty there would torpedo your committee assignments.
But the republicans being so scared of this small fraction of their party to the point they pass on the Speakership of the House of the United States of America because of the madness scrawled on that questionnaire...
It basically like Democracy was just notified the cancer has spread and is not operable.
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You know, any GOPers willing to cross lines to get things done would have massive influence on legislation.
You know, any GOPers willing to cross lines to get things done would have massive influence on legislation.
Up until they get tossed out for being RINOs and if there is one constant on both sides of american political spectrum its cowardice.
And thats the biggest Joke.
Their base craves the madmen and actually turn out to vote in districts drawn so independent or democrat candidates have the longest of shots of coming close. It is such a farce, but people just cheer for their side even if they are burning the world down piece by piece.
You know, any GOPers willing to cross lines to get things done would have massive influence on legislation.
Up until they get tossed out for being RINOs and if there is one constant on both sides of american political spectrum its cowardice.
And thats the biggest Joke.
Their base craves the madmen and actually turn out to vote in districts drawn so independent or democrat candidates have the longest of shots of coming close. It is such a farce, but people just cheer for their side even if they are burning the world down piece by piece.
Its kind of funny in a way that gerrymandering fucked them ultimately. Well it would be if america wasn't about to get fucked in response.
Basically in the past they could make the hard votes and snag independent votes to shore up lost GOP votes, but since they are all in hard right districts that's not a viable election strat, so if they aren't the hardest R they lose the seat to someone who will be worse.
They fucked themselves and ultimately us trying to make sure they are safe.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It's what i said previously. Gerrymandering makes them answerable only to the extremists, Citizens United means the party has no control over the flow of funding to them, and no more earmarks means there's no way for leadership to buy them off.
The GOP got what they wanted in three cases and it causes everything to go to shit.
Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
You mean, by expanding and completing it according to the original plan (single-payer, etc), rather than leaving us stuck with the current half-finished compromise?
Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
What moderates? Moderate democrats would still vote for her, and moderate Repbulicans votes don't matter, since they're apparently completely at the whims of the Freedom Caucus.
Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
Any attempts to do anything other than a full repeal will very likely see them primaried from the right. Best play for the non-crazy right is to leave Obamacare alone until the loonies have lost their influence.
Can anyone explain the political precedence or process for someone unelected and outside the House of Representatives becoming speaker? This has been bandied about in the thread, and I've been unable to find anything online that even remotely outlines this as an actual, legal possibility. I'm not calling it wrong, I just don't know how that even works.
It's legal, but unprecedented by my understanding. Because normally a terminal brain disease hasn't taken over one of our political parties.
Especially one the media refuses to acknowledge. They're been trying to draw equivalency between this and the left getting Clinton to change her position on the TPP.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
I'm sure most of the house dems, Pelosi included, would be more than happy to discuss sensible, moderate reforms on the ACA and immigration.
The problem, at least from the Democrat's viewpoint, is that most Republicans who are also on board with this ("on board" meaning not wanting to simply burn it all down on vague promises to replace it with something else at some point in the future") are either unable to articulate said reforms, or are being politely ignored by their peers because the Teapers think their idea is "too liberal."
Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
What moderates? Moderate democrats would still vote for her, and moderate Repbulicans votes don't matter, since they're apparently completely at the whims of the Freedom Caucus.
Moderate Republican politicians are an endangered species, the Tea Party have seen to that. And even when they get into office they have to take care not to anger the crazy fringe so they're more inclined to not govern moderately lest they be primaried for being RINO's. What's amazing is that the GOP did this to themselves, and now can't stop the train from driving off the cliff.
this is officially more interesting than the primary
because for as much as we talk about the declining relevance and unsustainability of the current GOP, this is the first time I've seen anything that actually looks like the party's baggage hurting them as much as it's hurting the country.
What's really funny about this mess is that, near as I can tell anyway, the entire caucus is going to come crawling back to Boehner begging him to stay on. Because they've got no one viable left to vote into the position.
What's really funny about this mess is that, near as I can tell anyway, the entire caucus is going to come crawling back to Boehner begging him to stay on. Because they've got no one viable left to vote into the position.
And somewhere in Chicago, Eric Holder is laughing his ass off.
What's really funny about this mess is that, near as I can tell anyway, the entire caucus is going to come crawling back to Boehner begging him to stay on. Because they've got no one viable left to vote into the position.
Well, no one sane.
Paul Ryan might be able to end the circus, but he's smart enough to say no, repeatedly and emphatically.
What's really funny about this mess is that, near as I can tell anyway, the entire caucus is going to come crawling back to Boehner begging him to stay on. Because they've got no one viable left to vote into the position.
Well, no one sane.
Paul Ryan might be able to end the circus, but he's smart enough to say no, repeatedly and emphatically.
"...so let me get this straight - you want me to stick my head in the lion's mouth?"
Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
They always had that option. It just meant relying on Democratic votes. Which is why it never happened. Nothing has changed that reality, the only possible change is in the political calculus once the 'Freedom caucus' takes their 40 votes and goes home. Effectively making the GOP a minority government.
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I hadn't seen this posted here before, and it made me laugh
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I wonder how many House Republicans would be willing to just switch parties at this point.
You know, any GOPers willing to cross lines to get things done would have massive influence on legislation.
Up until they get tossed out for being RINOs and if there is one constant on both sides of american political spectrum its cowardice.
God I wish we still had earmarks
a few dozen infrastructure projects and museums in exchange for a functional legislature, because shit flinging from extremists doesn't beat bringing bacon back to your district
but they can't do that anymore, so all they can do is push the national party line
What's really funny about this mess is that, near as I can tell anyway, the entire caucus is going to come crawling back to Boehner begging him to stay on. Because they've got no one viable left to vote into the position.
And somewhere in Chicago, Eric Holder is laughing his ass off.
Actually he's still in DC, some of my friends work at his law firm.
Yea, I'll be honest, I'd never really realized how much of our functional government was apparently based on earmarks.
I wouldn't put too much weight on that. The people who wrote up that list of demands wouldn't be interested in a functional government regardless.
True. I think the meaning is that it's harder to get the reasonable people to work across the aisle when you can't cut a deal with them.
Yeah, right now they're beholden to the crazies who will primary them at the drop of a hat. When we had earmarks the incumbent could at least point to the bacon he brought home to his district to moderate the frothy populist rage. Now it's just a competition for how much of an asshole you can be.
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I can't imagine how we could bring back earmarks though. Can you imagine the invective that would hurled at someone who proposed bring back pork and bacon?
What would happen if nobody could settle on a candidate and Boehner didn't feel like staying on anymore? No Speaker? I mean I realize I guess that this is a crazy thing that couldn't happen, but we're here already.
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I honestly don't think it's the single craziest possibility at this point.
Is this different from a normal floor vote? Present isn't abstain and they do not contribute to the total number of voting members present. The D's did this awhile ago on the hard line GOP budget and made them hustle to make sure it didn't pass.
Now traditionally I don't think people typically don't vote "present" for speaker because it's the very first party line vote and showing a lack of loyalty there would torpedo your committee assignments.
But the republicans being so scared of this small fraction of their party to the point they pass on the Speakership of the House of the United States of America because of the madness scrawled on that questionnaire...
It basically like Democracy was just notified the cancer has spread and is not operable.
Up until they get tossed out for being RINOs and if there is one constant on both sides of american political spectrum its cowardice.
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And thats the biggest Joke.
Their base craves the madmen and actually turn out to vote in districts drawn so independent or democrat candidates have the longest of shots of coming close. It is such a farce, but people just cheer for their side even if they are burning the world down piece by piece.
Its kind of funny in a way that gerrymandering fucked them ultimately. Well it would be if america wasn't about to get fucked in response.
Basically in the past they could make the hard votes and snag independent votes to shore up lost GOP votes, but since they are all in hard right districts that's not a viable election strat, so if they aren't the hardest R they lose the seat to someone who will be worse.
They fucked themselves and ultimately us trying to make sure they are safe.
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The GOP got what they wanted in three cases and it causes everything to go to shit.
They're more aiming for a Red November, but the general idea is right.
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Too bad Pelosi is so poisonous that no moderate would believe she was operating in good faith to "get things done" , because this is sort of a unique opportunity for Boehner and the moderates to accomplish some cool shit. They could fix Obamacare!
That is a reasonable conclusion to draw.
What moderates? Moderate democrats would still vote for her, and moderate Repbulicans votes don't matter, since they're apparently completely at the whims of the Freedom Caucus.
Any attempts to do anything other than a full repeal will very likely see them primaried from the right. Best play for the non-crazy right is to leave Obamacare alone until the loonies have lost their influence.
Especially one the media refuses to acknowledge. They're been trying to draw equivalency between this and the left getting Clinton to change her position on the TPP.
I'm sure most of the house dems, Pelosi included, would be more than happy to discuss sensible, moderate reforms on the ACA and immigration.
The problem, at least from the Democrat's viewpoint, is that most Republicans who are also on board with this ("on board" meaning not wanting to simply burn it all down on vague promises to replace it with something else at some point in the future") are either unable to articulate said reforms, or are being politely ignored by their peers because the Teapers think their idea is "too liberal."
Moderate Republican politicians are an endangered species, the Tea Party have seen to that. And even when they get into office they have to take care not to anger the crazy fringe so they're more inclined to not govern moderately lest they be primaried for being RINO's. What's amazing is that the GOP did this to themselves, and now can't stop the train from driving off the cliff.
because for as much as we talk about the declining relevance and unsustainability of the current GOP, this is the first time I've seen anything that actually looks like the party's baggage hurting them as much as it's hurting the country.
And somewhere in Chicago, Eric Holder is laughing his ass off.
Well, no one sane.
Paul Ryan might be able to end the circus, but he's smart enough to say no, repeatedly and emphatically.
"...so let me get this straight - you want me to stick my head in the lion's mouth?"
They always had that option. It just meant relying on Democratic votes. Which is why it never happened. Nothing has changed that reality, the only possible change is in the political calculus once the 'Freedom caucus' takes their 40 votes and goes home. Effectively making the GOP a minority government.
God I wish we still had earmarks
a few dozen infrastructure projects and museums in exchange for a functional legislature, because shit flinging from extremists doesn't beat bringing bacon back to your district
but they can't do that anymore, so all they can do is push the national party line
Who would (re)elect them? All those districts have been gerrymandered to hell, and besides, Dems don't vote in mid-terms. :P
Everyone says pork is bad for (you/the government), but we still looooooove our bacon.
(And yeah, it turns out that to do horse-trading, you actually have to have something to trade.)
Actually he's still in DC, some of my friends work at his law firm.
I wouldn't put too much weight on that. The people who wrote up that list of demands wouldn't be interested in a functional government regardless.
True. I think the meaning is that it's harder to get the reasonable people to work across the aisle when you can't cut a deal with them.
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Yeah, right now they're beholden to the crazies who will primary them at the drop of a hat. When we had earmarks the incumbent could at least point to the bacon he brought home to his district to moderate the frothy populist rage. Now it's just a competition for how much of an asshole you can be.