also i just got home and it's the first time i've ever seen a guest at my house. there's a red beetle parked outside and someone is on the couch with my roommate watching some terrible looking british period show or movie idk
Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 12 is fascinating, btw:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 15
1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 25
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.
I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.
Are those enshrined in our constitution somewhere, or any similar document you can think of?
well, the Declaration declares (heh) that individuals have an unalienable right to life and liberty, and the Constitution's preamble declares that the document's intention is in part to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves". That document includes the 2nd amendment, which of course provides the freedom from government infringement on the right to possess & carry a weapon. Likewise the 5th amendment respects property rights by denying the government the ability to seize it without due process.
so my little brother (who's been a juggalo forever) must have been linked the urban dictionary definition of juggalo. he had this to say on his facebook wall:
Urban dictionary is a piece of shit website I don't fucking care what ANYONE thinks bout me or the music I listen to if anyone wanna talk bout shitty music let's turn our heads to da fucking idiotic assholes we call rappers all u dumb ass n****s crackers etc. All u talk bout is fucking bitchez doing drugs n killing n****s like GET A FUCKING LIFE N FACE REALITY ICP talks bout killings bigots A.K.A RACISTS n tlks about killing SATAN LUCIFER A.K.A THE DEVIL they worship God so if u talk shit on ICP den u tlikn shit on God n den u can ALL go to hell FOH Lil stupid ass dickheads IMMA BE DOWN WITH THE CLOWN TILL IM DEAD IN THE GROUND WHOOP WHOOP MMFWCL
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if they're driving a red beetle i hope its a girl
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 12 is fascinating, btw:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 15
1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 25
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.
I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.
Are those enshrined in our constitution somewhere, or any similar document you can think of?
well, the Declaration declares (heh) that individuals have an unalienable right to life and liberty, and the Constitution's preamble declares that the document's intention is in part to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves". That document includes the 2nd, which of course provides the freedom from government infringement on the right to possess & carry a weapon. Likewise the 5th amendment respects property rights by denying the government the ability to seize it without due process.
Aside from the protections of the second, those seem to exist UDHR. Both seem to lack an explicit right to defend the rights using force.
They moistly come out at night, moistly.
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Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 12 is fascinating, btw:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 15
1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 25
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.
I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.
Are those enshrined in our constitution somewhere, or any similar document you can think of?
well, the Declaration declares (heh) that individuals have an unalienable right to life and liberty, and the Constitution's preamble declares that the document's intention is in part to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves". That document includes the 2nd, which of course provides the freedom from government infringement on the right to possess & carry a weapon. Likewise the 5th amendment respects property rights by denying the government the ability to seize it without due process.
Well in that case, I'd say that:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
and
Article 17
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
in the UDHR cover it with equivalent terminology.
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chu I am amazed you haven't somehow died from vicarious shame at this point
Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 12 is fascinating, btw:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 15
1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 25
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.
I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.
Are those enshrined in our constitution somewhere, or any similar document you can think of?
well, the Declaration declares (heh) that individuals have an unalienable right to life and liberty, and the Constitution's preamble declares that the document's intention is in part to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves". That document includes the 2nd, which of course provides the freedom from government infringement on the right to possess & carry a weapon. Likewise the 5th amendment respects property rights by denying the government the ability to seize it without due process.
Aside from the protections of the second, those seem to exist UDHR. Both seem to lack an explicit right to defend the rights using force.
I don't think an explicit right to use force is necessary - how else would you defend the right to your own life?
It seems that the UDHR doesn't even include an implied right to self defense, and certainly doesn't include a right to possess a weapon for that (or any other) purpose.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
A group of Juggalos sued, and last week the United States Court of Appeals said that they did, in fact, have standing to challenge being labeled as a gang.
The Plaintiff-Juggalos, as the Sixth Circuit deliciously calls them, lost in the trial court in a manner that illustrates the difficulty of fighting government-imposed labels.
Quickly scanning the UDHR, these seem relevant to the discussion:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 12 is fascinating, btw:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 15
1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 25
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
But nothing specific with regards to self-defense. Though I believe that may be covered in the (many) articles referencing the right to fair trial.
I'm thinking the right to defend ones life, family, and property, not trial rights and so forth.
Are those enshrined in our constitution somewhere, or any similar document you can think of?
well, the Declaration declares (heh) that individuals have an unalienable right to life and liberty, and the Constitution's preamble declares that the document's intention is in part to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves". That document includes the 2nd, which of course provides the freedom from government infringement on the right to possess & carry a weapon. Likewise the 5th amendment respects property rights by denying the government the ability to seize it without due process.
Well in that case, I'd say that:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
and
Article 17
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
in the UDHR cover it with equivalent terminology.
I don't think Article 3 can be understood in that way - security of person reads to me like the right to government protection. But you could be right! Security of person might include the right to posses the means by which that security is guaranteed.
My current understanding is that it does not, though, and I think the general theme of the UDHR being a document of positive rights lends credence to that - there's still a fundamental difference between the freedom from government intrusion upon life and liberty, and the positive right to life and liberty - the right to be free from government restriction on a thing is not the same as the right to be given or guaranteed a thing by that government.
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*snakes spycam thru floorboards*
no, just fun to hate on.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
How much sex is your roomie going for
well, the Declaration declares (heh) that individuals have an unalienable right to life and liberty, and the Constitution's preamble declares that the document's intention is in part to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves". That document includes the 2nd amendment, which of course provides the freedom from government infringement on the right to possess & carry a weapon. Likewise the 5th amendment respects property rights by denying the government the ability to seize it without due process.
idk, it was dark and i wasn't trying to creep
yes
Don't be so gender-prescriptivist, redx!
Chu can tell us how he they identify.
>_>
Urban dictionary is a piece of shit website I don't fucking care what ANYONE thinks bout me or the music I listen to if anyone wanna talk bout shitty music let's turn our heads to da fucking idiotic assholes we call rappers all u dumb ass n****s crackers etc. All u talk bout is fucking bitchez doing drugs n killing n****s like GET A FUCKING LIFE N FACE REALITY ICP talks bout killings bigots A.K.A RACISTS n tlks about killing SATAN LUCIFER A.K.A THE DEVIL they worship God so if u talk shit on ICP den u tlikn shit on God n den u can ALL go to hell FOH Lil stupid ass dickheads IMMA BE DOWN WITH THE CLOWN TILL IM DEAD IN THE GROUND WHOOP WHOOP MMFWCL
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
(is my cat)
(he's a jerk)
Aside from the protections of the second, those seem to exist UDHR. Both seem to lack an explicit right to defend the rights using force.
huh, really?
i didn't really listen to anything after they started putting pay-what-you-want stuff on the internet, but i still remember electioneering, idioteque, no surprises etc fondly
Well in that case, I'd say that:
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
and
Article 17
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
in the UDHR cover it with equivalent terminology.
I don't think an explicit right to use force is necessary - how else would you defend the right to your own life?
It seems that the UDHR doesn't even include an implied right to self defense, and certainly doesn't include a right to possess a weapon for that (or any other) purpose.
I played for four hours and I didn't realize it but I'm not sure it was fun? But that dog is cute tho
And even though I knew what to expect the opening 20mins still made me really upset
?
your roommate is a jugaloo?
radiohead is great!
or well, ok, radiohead is stupid
but radiohead's music is great!
I don't understand
the game isn't very compelling and the controls suck but also I want to go rebuild sanctuary and then punch people while wearing power armor
my little brother
Too cute. You monster.
We got Fallout 4 on Thursday, so my girlfriend popped it in to play.
1.5 hours later, she finished creating her character.
your little brother is your roommate?
http://mimesislaw.com/fault-lines/fucking-first-amendment-standing-how-does-it-work/3274
I don't think Article 3 can be understood in that way - security of person reads to me like the right to government protection. But you could be right! Security of person might include the right to posses the means by which that security is guaranteed.
My current understanding is that it does not, though, and I think the general theme of the UDHR being a document of positive rights lends credence to that - there's still a fundamental difference between the freedom from government intrusion upon life and liberty, and the positive right to life and liberty - the right to be free from government restriction on a thing is not the same as the right to be given or guaranteed a thing by that government.
wife spent that much time creating herself and I in near perfect likeness
needless to say the intro for her was....harrowing
and then I went and did the same thing because I'm BIG STRONG MANZ and then was still emotionally messed up even though I was expecting it