Man I just don't understand the robo bomb thing, when I heard the police chief talking about it he first said explosive and I figured oh it was probably some kind of flash or smoke thing (something not designed just to kill) and it went wrong like maybe the guy shot it or something
Then a line or two later he just says bomb and I'm just amazed that bomb carrying robot is a thing and I'm not sure what step robo-bomb is a logical progression from
It was definitely not a robot made for that express purpose
EOD bots typically have grip claws so they can grab/pull/drag objects, as well as cameras so the operators can see what's going on, and basically high powered water guns which're used to disable explosives
Likely a bomb tech made an actual bomb on-site, since I doubt police have actual frag grenades or anything, and carried it in using the grip/activated it remotely
Oh yeah no I don't think it was a pass the butter style robot built only to hold bombs, I imagine it's simple to put something like that together if you already have a bomb disposal bot and a way to make an explosive
I guess I mean more the thinking involved
Maybe I just don't know enough about what exactly was happening I'm just having a hard time imagining myself in a situation where "I need put together a bomb carrying robot and then send that robot into where that guy is and then press the button to blow it up" is a decision I would make
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
Man I just don't understand the robo bomb thing, when I heard the police chief talking about it he first said explosive and I figured oh it was probably some kind of flash or smoke thing (something not designed just to kill) and it went wrong like maybe the guy shot it or something
Then a line or two later he just says bomb and I'm just amazed that bomb carrying robot is a thing and I'm not sure what step robo-bomb is a logical progression from
It was definitely not a robot made for that express purpose
EOD bots typically have grip claws so they can grab/pull/drag objects, as well as cameras so the operators can see what's going on, and basically high powered water guns which're used to disable explosives
Likely a bomb tech made an actual bomb on-site, since I doubt police have actual frag grenades or anything, and carried it in using the grip/activated it remotely
Oh yeah no I don't think it was a pass the butter style robot built only to hold bombs, I imagine it's simple to put something like that together if you already have a bomb disposal bot and a way to make an explosive
I guess I mean more the thinking involved
Maybe I just don't know enough about what exactly was happening I'm just having a hard time imagining myself in a situation where "I need put together a bomb carrying robot and then send that robot into where that guy is and then press the button to blow it up" is a decision I would make
I just can't help but marvel at the fact that the Dallas PD decided that the best way to defuse the situation was to injure and potentially kill the suspect by turning a device that is designed to save lives into a mobile bomb.
Man I just don't understand the robo bomb thing, when I heard the police chief talking about it he first said explosive and I figured oh it was probably some kind of flash or smoke thing (something not designed just to kill) and it went wrong like maybe the guy shot it or something
Then a line or two later he just says bomb and I'm just amazed that bomb carrying robot is a thing and I'm not sure what step robo-bomb is a logical progression from
It was definitely not a robot made for that express purpose
EOD bots typically have grip claws so they can grab/pull/drag objects, as well as cameras so the operators can see what's going on, and basically high powered water guns which're used to disable explosives
Likely a bomb tech made an actual bomb on-site, since I doubt police have actual frag grenades or anything, and carried it in using the grip/activated it remotely
Oh yeah no I don't think it was a pass the butter style robot built only to hold bombs, I imagine it's simple to put something like that together if you already have a bomb disposal bot and a way to make an explosive
I guess I mean more the thinking involved
Maybe I just don't know enough about what exactly was happening I'm just having a hard time imagining myself in a situation where "I need put together a bomb carrying robot and then send that robot into where that guy is and then press the button to blow it up" is a decision I would make
I just can't help but marvel at the fact that the Dallas PD decided that the best way to defuse the situation was to injure and potentially kill the suspect by turning a device that is designed to save lives into a mobile bomb.
I think I'm more amazed that it worked
Could have gone so horribly wrong
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Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
Well the name Micah Johnson was already used in the media belonging to a guy who plays second base for the Dodgers, so Micah X Johnson has to differentiated somehow.
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I really wish the DPD would take down the tweet about the guy on the ground who was open carrying for the protest and had nothing to do with the shooting.
It uses the word suspect which is dangerous for his safety at this point.
Man I just don't understand the robo bomb thing, when I heard the police chief talking about it he first said explosive and I figured oh it was probably some kind of flash or smoke thing (something not designed just to kill) and it went wrong like maybe the guy shot it or something
Then a line or two later he just says bomb and I'm just amazed that bomb carrying robot is a thing and I'm not sure what step robo-bomb is a logical progression from
It was definitely not a robot made for that express purpose
EOD bots typically have grip claws so they can grab/pull/drag objects, as well as cameras so the operators can see what's going on, and basically high powered water guns which're used to disable explosives
Likely a bomb tech made an actual bomb on-site, since I doubt police have actual frag grenades or anything, and carried it in using the grip/activated it remotely
Oh yeah no I don't think it was a pass the butter style robot built only to hold bombs, I imagine it's simple to put something like that together if you already have a bomb disposal bot and a way to make an explosive
I guess I mean more the thinking involved
Maybe I just don't know enough about what exactly was happening I'm just having a hard time imagining myself in a situation where "I need put together a bomb carrying robot and then send that robot into where that guy is and then press the button to blow it up" is a decision I would make
I just can't help but marvel at the fact that the Dallas PD decided that the best way to defuse the situation was to injure and potentially kill the suspect by turning a device that is designed to save lives into a mobile bomb.
I think I'm more amazed that it worked
Could have gone so horribly wrong
It could have but that's what that robot is designed to do. It's the bomb squad robot that has a designed charge on it. It's meant to go to a bigger bomb and blow it up before it goes off. That's what you hear about "controlled explosion" for a bomb threat. They just did it against someone instead.
And apparently they've been doing it in Iraq before too against people with the military. Just not in the US.
I'm curious how one man in a parking garage was too well-barricaded to be taken by storm in a more conventional fashion, and also why they chose a bomb (which I assume was improvised from a breaching charge if not the shaped charge already on some robots) instead of a flashbang or something
I assume the threat of explosives elsewhere was what made it time sensitive but its still a really weird choice
I'm curious how one man in a parking garage was too well-barricaded to be taken by storm in a more conventional fashion, and also why they chose a bomb (which I assume was improvised from a breaching charge if not the shaped charge already on some robots) instead of a flashbang or something
I assume the threat of explosives elsewhere was what made it time sensitive but its still a really weird choice
From what I've read he was threatening to use explosives and was it was impossible to reach him by any other means safely.
Like, it's an awful tactic and I hope it's rarely if ever used again but it honestly sounds like knowing what they knew about the situation there may not have been a safer way to do it with the knowledge they had at the time.
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
Well the name Micah Johnson was already used in the media belonging to a guy who plays second base for the Dodgers, so Micah X Johnson has to differentiated somehow.
Saying Micah Xavier Johnson would be fine, in that case.
It bothers me quite a bit that the police force has the ability to remotely bomb someone. I have such a struggle with the militarization of local police.
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
It bothers me quite a bit that the police force has the ability to remotely bomb someone. I have such a struggle with the militarization of local police.
The usage of the device for controlled detonation is pretty necessary
I don't like the idea of it being used as a weapon at all though
The Non-Micah X Johnson Micah Johnsons probably appreciate it
Eh, Eric Harris is the most generic/common name possible, and his middle initial never got trotted out
Disambiguation is not even remotely the goal here, unfortunately.
There are other Eric Harris in popular media?
I'd never heard of em.
Also skimming some news sites, the ones using X also use his full name in the body of text and are many such as CBS, NBC, AP and whatever, while some shitty sites like daily beast and breitbart don't bother to use the X at all and often just use his full name.
It's weird that the racist sites don't bother being racist. Low hanging fruit and all.
Maybe the MLB just owns the name.
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It bothers me quite a bit that the police force has the ability to remotely bomb someone. I have such a struggle with the militarization of local police.
The usage of the device for controlled detonation is pretty necessary
I don't like the idea of it being used as a weapon at all though
It makes me tremendously uncomfortable, specifically because I moralized working on these robots with the understanding that they were built to be used defensively and save lives, not take them
And now this particular choice might lend towards others deciding to use them in a similar application
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
to be fair, this completely misses the point
That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?
I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.
This is so subliminal that I feel unsafe attributing any intent to it
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Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
to be fair, this completely misses the point
That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?
I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.
Feels real tenuous.
I... really?
No american history classes even mentioned the leaders of the Civil Rights movement? It's both pretty recent and incredibly important in the context of today's modern political landscape.
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
to be fair, this completely misses the point
I completely get the point about the X, I was just responding to the argument that he didn't know the middle names of "basically any other domestic terrorists".
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
to be fair, this completely misses the point
That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?
I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.
Feels real tenuous.
I... really?
No american history classes even mentioned the leaders of the Civil Rights movement? It's both pretty recent and incredibly important in the context of today's modern political landscape.
My high school history classes (graduated in 2008) pretty much stopped at WW2, and the one history class I took in college focused mainly on antiquity.
Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
to be fair, this completely misses the point
That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?
I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.
Feels real tenuous.
I... really?
No american history classes even mentioned the leaders of the Civil Rights movement? It's both pretty recent and incredibly important in the context of today's modern political landscape.
I never had an American history class go past WW2
But I had a pretty mediocre general education
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Oh yeah no I don't think it was a pass the butter style robot built only to hold bombs, I imagine it's simple to put something like that together if you already have a bomb disposal bot and a way to make an explosive
I guess I mean more the thinking involved
Maybe I just don't know enough about what exactly was happening I'm just having a hard time imagining myself in a situation where "I need put together a bomb carrying robot and then send that robot into where that guy is and then press the button to blow it up" is a decision I would make
I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.
But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.
Somewhere a masked vigilante is having a fist fight with the mastermind behind it all and we will never know about it.
I just can't help but marvel at the fact that the Dallas PD decided that the best way to defuse the situation was to injure and potentially kill the suspect by turning a device that is designed to save lives into a mobile bomb.
Could have gone so horribly wrong
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Well the name Micah Johnson was already used in the media belonging to a guy who plays second base for the Dodgers, so Micah X Johnson has to differentiated somehow.
Curious if/how that'll get slotted into the narrative folks are building.
It uses the word suspect which is dangerous for his safety at this point.
It could have but that's what that robot is designed to do. It's the bomb squad robot that has a designed charge on it. It's meant to go to a bigger bomb and blow it up before it goes off. That's what you hear about "controlled explosion" for a bomb threat. They just did it against someone instead.
And apparently they've been doing it in Iraq before too against people with the military. Just not in the US.
Eh, Eric Harris is the most generic/common name possible, and his middle initial never got trotted out
Disambiguation is not even remotely the goal here, unfortunately.
I assume the threat of explosives elsewhere was what made it time sensitive but its still a really weird choice
From what I've read he was threatening to use explosives and was it was impossible to reach him by any other means safely.
Like, it's an awful tactic and I hope it's rarely if ever used again but it honestly sounds like knowing what they knew about the situation there may not have been a safer way to do it with the knowledge they had at the time.
Saying Micah Xavier Johnson would be fine, in that case.
The initialization is deliberate.
To be fair,
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wayne Gacy
John Wilkes Booth
Mark David Chapman
e. oh, his name actually is Xavier, I misunderstood Pooro's post
I don't like the idea of it being used as a weapon at all though
There are other Eric Harris in popular media?
I'd never heard of em.
Also skimming some news sites, the ones using X also use his full name in the body of text and are many such as CBS, NBC, AP and whatever, while some shitty sites like daily beast and breitbart don't bother to use the X at all and often just use his full name.
It's weird that the racist sites don't bother being racist. Low hanging fruit and all.
Maybe the MLB just owns the name.
Welp, called that.
To reiterate, youse good people.
It makes me tremendously uncomfortable, specifically because I moralized working on these robots with the understanding that they were built to be used defensively and save lives, not take them
And now this particular choice might lend towards others deciding to use them in a similar application
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It is, unfortunately, exactly what I personally expected.
As I understand it, the military's two main recruitment demographics are idealogues who romanticize the military, and poor minorities.
As to the news, I have to think the "willing to sacrifice for his country" aspect will probably just get left out.
to be fair, this completely misses the point
That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?
I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.
Feels real tenuous.
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I... really?
No american history classes even mentioned the leaders of the Civil Rights movement? It's both pretty recent and incredibly important in the context of today's modern political landscape.
I completely get the point about the X, I was just responding to the argument that he didn't know the middle names of "basically any other domestic terrorists".
My high school history classes (graduated in 2008) pretty much stopped at WW2, and the one history class I took in college focused mainly on antiquity.
But I had a pretty mediocre general education