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[Painting Miniatures] vs the unending tide of grey plastic

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Badablack wrote: »
    That primarch looks so much better than what GW used for their guilliman promo picture. Even the lighting and posing is better. There would have been a whole lot less initial complains if they hadn't done their shots from an awful angle and painted to look like a Picasso face.

    Is he the same size as the forgeworld one?
    I am tempted to get his kit but I would leave the helmet on because I find it silly a lot of marines go helmetless

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    Badablack wrote: »
    That primarch looks so much better than what GW used for their guilliman promo picture. Even the lighting and posing is better. There would have been a whole lot less initial complains if they hadn't done their shots from an awful angle and painted to look like a Picasso face.

    Is he the same size as the forgeworld one?
    I am tempted to get his kit but I would leave the helmet on because I find it silly a lot of marines go helmetless

    Robot Guilleman is bigger by a bit. Mostly because of the armour. The heads seem to be about the same size though.

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    Mayday wrote: »
    Well, there's a lot of fixing ahead of me to really pull it up to 100%, so here it is for now:

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    Can you please give some insight on how you painted the black armour? Like, is that pure black or a mixture? What colours did you use for the highlights?

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    MaydayMayday Cutting edge goblin tech Registered User regular
    -Black undercoat
    -a mix of black, grey and a little bit of blue airbrushed from the top
    -then gradually brighter glazes of the above mix
    -pure black into crevices and corners

    Sorry but I always improvise the proportions so I can offer no exact help. I tend to make the midtones the most blue, while the shadows are black and the highlights greyer.

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    HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    The more I think about it the clearer it becomes: I will have to invest in an airbrush.
    Probably not before next year, though.

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    BadablackBadablack Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    Is he the same size as the forgeworld one?
    I am tempted to get his kit but I would leave the helmet on because I find it silly a lot of marines go helmetless

    New Guilliman is a good deal bigger but the heads are about the same. And yeah big armored guys with bare heads always looks silly and misproportioned. With the helmet on you can handwave the proportions but on Terminators and big robo-things the head showing just puts the problem of how exactly they're stretched and contorted into their armor right in your face.

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Serious question: How much of a learning curve to the airbrush is there, compared to brush painting?

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    Custom SpecialCustom Special I know I am, I'm sure I am, I'm Sounders 'til I die!Registered User regular
    So far I've only used my airbrush for priming and it's pretty simple. Put primer in cup, press and pull trigger to spray. It's a small learning curve going from rattle cans to airbrush overall, the most fiddly stuff is getting all your adapters and connectors right to go from air to brush (I imagine with a purpose-built compressor it's easier).

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    McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Yeah, I only ever use my brush for doing a base colour, and maaaaybe for some light zenith highlighting (which is just spraying from one direction). Most complex part is just cleaning the damn thing.

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Serious question: How much of a learning curve to the airbrush is there, compared to brush painting?

    It's much the same, just that most kids aren't handed a brush in art class in school to get them started at an early age. You can just use it for for basic, broad work like basecoating pretty easily, but as you learn more about technique and develop skills, you can do more and more.

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    The brunt of the stumbling blocks when it comes to airbrushing are

    A) getting a feel for the required paint consistency vs pressure, and

    B) understanding the likely reason for flow problems - ie, odd spray pattern, bubbles in the cup, dried paint around/on the needle tip, loose seal, and so forth.

    Once you get used to how it operates on a technical level, it becomes much less stressful to handle.

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    AsherAsher Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Serious question: How much of a learning curve to the airbrush is there, compared to brush painting?

    Pretty high. It honestly took me more than a year of off and on mucking about to get to the point where I was getting the kind of results I could get with a normal brush with an Airbrush and then longer still for it to actually be a time saving venture that let me do the neat effects I wanted. But that was pretty sporadic attempts to learn. The main issue is that cleaning and maintenance takes a significant amount of time and its a completely new skill you have to learn with very little overlap with conventional painting. It really helps if you have a person to teach you. For a long time I thought it wasn't really worth it, but now it totally is. I mean these are only for terrain, but they took me less than an hour to paint both from bare wood to finished.

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    Robbie sold for £78.

    I thought I was being optimistic but... well.

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    MaydayMayday Cutting edge goblin tech Registered User regular
    Wait, so are you happy with that price? :P

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Very, given that I wasn't 100% happy with the paint job and found it to be a very fiddly model to paint in general.

    EDIT also the box was only around £50 and there are two other minis to paint and shift.

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    MaydayMayday Cutting edge goblin tech Registered User regular
    Alright! I guess it's now safe to say that it's the price I'd have hoped for :P

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Yeah, back when I haunted GW stores, a custom high end centerpiece model hero was usually $150-200.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Haphazard wrote: »
    The more I think about it the clearer it becomes: I will have to invest in an airbrush.
    Probably not before next year, though.

    Just ask in the thread, we'll throw recommendations at you.

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    KoregKoreg Registered User regular
    I would have figured it'd be a bit higher than that also. That's a gorgeous piece.

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    It more than covers the cost of the box set, and depends on how Kneel feels about the time invested.

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    The most expensive successful sale of a painted Robbie on eBay was £82 according to the selling tools, so given that it's a £30 model tops, I'm happy with that profit.

    As stated, the box was somewhere in the region of £50 and there's still another two models to sell. Assuming at least £30 per model (and I'd hope for more), that'd be an almost £100 profit on a £50 box.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    So I found this p3 tutorial very helpful. He overemotes but he's very clear and methodical.

    https://youtu.be/utAuXVMDDDM

    The second one with inks is what I'm going to try with my next model. I picked up red ink and a GW yellow "shade"; are shades usable in this context? Couldn't find any yellow ink. Gonna take another shot at hellish red-orange glow effects.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    If it's Casandora Yellow then that's the magic sauce I use for yellow armor.

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    LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    At some point in this chain of threads someone mentioned that the secret to painting white was actually using the color Payne's Grey and then layering/highlighting with other grays and whites.

    I'm about to start on a (long delayed) Infinity army in a kind of white/greys/some-accent-color scheme and was wondering if anyone cared to agree or disagree with the Payne's Grey plan or in general had some tips and tricks on painting white?

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    The very same! That looks great, nice and bright. Does it have a good intensity/glossiness?

    The video does a bright sickly green by doing a white wash in the glowing areas, followed by mixing tons of yellow ink with a little green to make an ink glaze and glazing that area a couple of times, and then highlighting the source with some more white and doing a yellow ink glaze over that and the transition. It looks really good, though somewhat challenging.

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    SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    The stripping is going along well, most of the models ended up looking roughly like this:

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    They'll be in decent shape for the next guy, but I'm actually thinking about keeping a few of them (enough to make a single Tactical Squad), painting them up in obnoxiously bright colors (complete with solid goblin green bases), and using them as a throwback killteam (including a mk1 Rhino/Razorback).

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    You guys and your Girlymans. I still haven't touched my Alexis Pollux model.

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    JJ Rabbit GangmemberRegistered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    At some point in this chain of threads someone mentioned that the secret to painting white was actually using the color Payne's Grey and then layering/highlighting with other grays and whites.

    I'm about to start on a (long delayed) Infinity army in a kind of white/greys/some-accent-color scheme and was wondering if anyone cared to agree or disagree with the Payne's Grey plan or in general had some tips and tricks on painting white?

    I've been following this guide.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    At some point in this chain of threads someone mentioned that the secret to painting white was actually using the color Payne's Grey and then layering/highlighting with other grays and whites.

    I'm about to start on a (long delayed) Infinity army in a kind of white/greys/some-accent-color scheme and was wondering if anyone cared to agree or disagree with the Payne's Grey plan or in general had some tips and tricks on painting white?

    The key to painting white (and black) is to realize that you never see pure white -- you see white colored by the light reflecting off of it. The quick and dirty way to skip through all the color theory stuff is to decide if you want a "cool" white or a "warm" white; a cool white will be painted with greys and maybe even some blues, whereas a warm white will be painted with cream and bone colors.

    This is a pretty good explanation of the idea, though the painting guides themselves are... not great.

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    PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    any tips for painting sparkly fur? i'm thinking some kind of dark metallic undercoat with some washes or dry brushing on top

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    In between building a Chaos Warhound and awaiting Khorne bits from a friend for comission, I made a startling amount of progress on this gentleman.
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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    I want to believe that Cypher strapped the actual skeleton of a Watcher to the front of his armour.

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    Dr_KeenbeanDr_Keenbean Dumb as a butt Planet Express ShipRegistered User regular
    How to paint minis in 5 easy steps:
    1. Pick up paint brush with intention to work through backlog
    2. Load up PA painting thread
    3. See @Kneel posting some new amazing shit every day
    4. Put down paintbrush
    5. Sob quietly to self on the sofa

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Optional step 6: Pint of Ben & Jerry's ice cream

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    WatcherWatcher Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    I want to believe that Cypher strapped the actual skeleton of a Watcher to the front of his armour.

    Whoa! Hey, easy there! Not a fan...

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    I should be done today.

    Jesus, I think that's the fastest I've painted a mini, given my home situation.

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    JJ Rabbit GangmemberRegistered User regular
    You do anything outside of 40k? Reckon you'd paint up some mean ass jacks n stuff. or a TAG :)

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    J wrote: »
    You do anything outside of 40k? Reckon you'd paint up some mean ass jacks n stuff. or a TAG :)

    Just Kiki from RH, but I've got a few Black Sun miniatures for when I'm done painting stuff to flog and fund Christmas.

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    ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    I too would _love_ to see @Kneel paint some Infinity. Someone with money should commission him. ;P

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    KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    I've got the Joan of Ark figurine from Infinity kicking around somewhere; it came with Giraldez' first book.

    Maybe, once I'm comfortable with funds, I'll give it a shot.

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