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[Movies]: YOU MANIACS!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    MechMantis wrote: »
    The Conan the Barbarian intro monologue is also pretty much pulled right from one of Robert E. Howard's Conan stories, specifically, The Phoenix on the Sword.

    So it is super thematic.

    The text I think is really good. It's just then you hear him read it and it's like "No, man, no. What are you doing?". The inflection and pacing is just all off. Which is odd cause I think he does a good job otherwise. It's like they used the wrong take.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Yeah, that monologue always seemed completely perfect to me for the movie. It's the royal wizard of a super-barbarian from a time before history revealing the legend of his king to an audience. I don't even have to try and I can see him sitting at the foot of a throne, emphasizing everything with exaggerated gestures.

    Which is how they would've told a story for maximum impact, because stories would've been most of the entertainment and presentation would've been crucial. It wouldn't have been some guy standing at a podium giving a lecture.

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Mako is the best and has never been a flaw in the Conan movies.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    So I know Revenge of the Fallen is ancient history, but I just saw the last half of it for the first time, and it has truly left an impression on me. I thought the hate for this franchise was exaggerated, but the second one earns that hate.

    The big action sequence at the end is a weirdly fetishized US military versus a bunch of decepticons. Just a handful of autobots. On it's face it's dumb spectacle, but it's not even good spectacle. I'm an easy mark when it comes to this kind of thing, and I found it to be impossible to follow. Nothing has any weight and the sound effects seem half finished. There is no drama when Optimus comes back. There is this awful dreamlike quality to the whole thing and it doesn't work.

    Things I thought were jokes/memes/mishearings but oh god they are real:
    Two of the Autobots are racist caricatures.
    The big combiner has balls.
    Optimus Prime actually says "GIVE ME YOUR FACE". The tone is dead serious. We are supposed to cheer for this.

    I don't think any recent endeavor is as bad as this. At least BvS had decent super fights.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    So I know Revenge of the Fallen is ancient history, but I just saw the (last half) of it for the first time, and it has truly left an impression on me. I thought the hate for this franchise was exaggerated, but the second one earns that hate.

    The big action sequence at the end is a weirdly fetishized US military versus a bunch of decepticons. Just a handful of autobots. On it's face it's dumb spectacle, but it's not even good spectacle. I'm an easy mark when it comes to this kind of thing, and I found it to be impossible to follow. Nothing has any weight and the sound effects seem half finished. There is no drama when Optimus comes back. There is this awful dreamlike quality to the whole thing and it doesn't work.

    Things I thought were jokes/memes/mishearings but oh god they are real:
    Two of the Autobots are racist caricatures.
    The big combiner has balls.
    Optimus Prime actually says "GIVE ME YOUR FACE". The tone is dead serious. We are supposed to cheer for this.

    I don't think any recent endeavor is as bad as this. At least BvS had decent super fights.

    So...Uh...
    Have you seen the other movies in the series?
    Cause they don't get better.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    The hate for Transformers is not exaggerated. They are terrible movies in virtually every respect, including morally. Transformers 2 was so bad it made critics question their own minds (several wrote reviews like "Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe this is a Dadaist masterpiece?")

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    TenzytileTenzytile Registered User regular
    In unrelated news, respected New Yorker critic Richard Brody has claimed that "With Transformers: The Last Knight, Michael Bay has become an experimental filmmaker of pure sensation"

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Tenzytile wrote: »
    In unrelated news, respected New Yorker critic Richard Brody has claimed that "With Transformers: The Last Knight, Michael Bay has become an experimental filmmaker of pure sensation"

    And that sensation is being dumbstruck (emphasis on dumb) with nausea and a side of vertigo.

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    OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    Transformers movies remind me of those scenes they show in 3DMark when you get benchmarks for your GPU. Just one long tech demo filled with cool looking stuff and particle effects, everything else is incidental

    My zombie survival life simulator They Don't Sleep is out now on Steam if you want to check it out.
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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Except you can actually see what's going on and understand the action in those GPU benchmarks.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    I, for one, do cheer on Prime ripping off all the faces.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    I, for one, do cheer on Prime ripping off all the faces.

    I only ask that you give me your face so that we can share it with the rest of the class.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I think the first one is an acceptable summer blockbuster. It's a Bay film, so it has all the weaknesses of that genre, but it has a vaguely coherent plot, some continuity, all the characters sorta do stuff that makes kinda makes sense, and some of them almost have arcs. Revenge of the Fallen is Bay without any restraints. The racial stereotype robots in Fallen are Jazz dialed up to eleven, instead of leaking coolant as a piss joke, you have robot testicles, there's no arcs, no characters, everyone does stuff solely because that's what's required to bridge the ten or fifteen minutes between CGI specticals. The thing that bothered me the most about Revenge of the Fallen was that even basic continuity was thrown out the window. There are cuts from car chases near buildings to closeups of fights in the ass end of a forest, and the worst one was when they met Jetfire in what was obviously a museum in a city (, and then they open the big doors at the end of the display hall and they're suddenly walking in an open field in the middle of nowhere. It was straight up Matrix Reloaded level shit.

    That's not even getting into the general incoherence of the action scenes. If there's one thing that you might think that Bay should be able to do well it's that, yet every Transformers sequel has had nothing but fight scenes that a better person than I described as 'a drawer of silverware falling down hill'.

    And they still make money hand over fist.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    I've always thought that Revenge of the Fallen was better than the first one. Mainly because it has more robots than the first.

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    ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    I've always thought that Revenge of the Fallen was better than the first one. Mainly because it has more robots than the first.

    I watched it last night on TV. I think it has a nice scene here and there in concept, like the attack on the carrier to revive Megatron, but its a far worse film than the original and even the films after it (at least they had some interesting ideas, if executed in the worst way possible).

    The robots seem to be made of paper this time around for some reason, the characters act like parodies from the first film.

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    It should be noted that the second TF movie was during the Writers' Strike; they went into production with 14 pages of script. Now, I'm not saying the movie would have been a masterpiece if not for that, but the bar was considerably lower for that film.

    And that doesn't excuse the 3 sequels after it either.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    It should be noted that the second TF movie was during the Writers' Strike; they went into production with 14 pages of script. Now, I'm not saying the movie would have been a masterpiece if not for that, but the bar was considerably lower for that film.

    And that doesn't excuse the 3 sequels after it either.

    Tf2 was probably one of the few movies where the writers strike didn't matter.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    What a time to change the thread title.

    The answer to What is Best in Life? The Transformers sequels, especially Revenge of the Fallen.

    Darkest timeline.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    I've always thought that Revenge of the Fallen was better than the first one. Mainly because it has more robots than the first.

    It certainly is so bad its good, in the worse way possible. That's why I can't completely hate it - yet I loathe the first more.
    Sorce wrote: »
    It should be noted that the second TF movie was during the Writers' Strike; they went into production with 14 pages of script. Now, I'm not saying the movie would have been a masterpiece if not for that, but the bar was considerably lower for that film.

    To be fair Quantum of Solace wasn't hurt nearly as bad in the script department. Sure, it was a let down after Casino Royale, but it's Oscar worthy to RoTF.
    And that doesn't excuse the 3 sequels after it either.

    Heh.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    "Only a prime can kill another prime. Unless, like, you try real hard. Or stab 'em or something."


    I walked out of TF2, blissfully resigned to have seen my last of the franchise.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    "Only a prime can kill another prime. Unless, like, you try real hard. Or stab 'em or something."


    I walked out of TF2, blissfully resigned to have seen my last of the franchise.

    Strangely enough the later films improved. Slightly. They still do weird, incoherent and occasional gross shit, of course. They also continued the tradition of making Sam's hot girlfriends more interesting then he is.

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    NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    TF3 was kind of an improvement over 2, granted, it's mainly because they ripped the plot from two different storylines in the G1 cartoon and offed the two ministrel bots offscreen.

    4 though, wow.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Nobody wrote: »
    TF3 was kind of an improvement over 2, granted, it's mainly because they ripped the plot from two different storylines in the G1 cartoon and offed the two ministrel bots offscreen.

    4 though, wow.

    On the one hand, no Sam - on the other, the Romeo and Juliet scene. Sam is such a bad character I'll take Cypher Raige or whatever his name is over him.

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    NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Nobody wrote: »
    TF3 was kind of an improvement over 2, granted, it's mainly because they ripped the plot from two different storylines in the G1 cartoon and offed the two ministrel bots offscreen.

    4 though, wow.

    On the one hand, no Sam - on the other, the Romeo and Juliet scene. Sam is such a bad character I'll take Cypher Raige or whatever his name is over him.

    I think if they had just cut that scene TF4 wouldn't have been nearly as bad, though there was still Optimus beating Grimlock into submission while screaming about freedom, the guy who was melting down autobots becoming a karma houdini, and other things.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    TF2 was clearly better then TF1 because Optimus Prime finally reveals his unending thirst for faces. Which is way more hilarious to see then any of the horrible shit from TF1 which was all just generic.

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    Zombie HeroZombie Hero Registered User regular
    So I because of a fire blocking my only way home, I ended up going to the theater to wait it out. Wonder woman and Gotg2 showings weren't at the time (I have seen both before and I would watch either again), so i ended up going to Pirates 5.

    It was alright. Geoffrey Rush was, predictably, the best thing about it. I also still enjoy the score.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I big sin of the TF movies is they're also insanely fucking long

    there's no reason for a damn 3 hour Michael Bay movie

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    The first Transformers sucked so I didn't see any others.

    People must love them though, because they've made so many. It can't be all people who hate them but keep going because of their childhood, right?

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Apparently the BO returns for Transformers they made another one was weak on wednesday. Though of course the real BO for the formers movies is china.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2017
    The first Transformers sucked so I didn't see any others.

    People must love them though, because they've made so many. It can't be all people who hate them but keep going because of their childhood, right?

    I watched TF2 on the grounds that people said it was so awful and I felt the need to semi-live-blog it (I think I made like 2-3 posts as I watched it) in the Movie thread back years and years ago.

    Honestly, nexuscrawler gets the closest to the real issue. For all the ways the movies are actively bad, more then anything they are long boring slogs. Nothing in them is interesting or exciting or comprehensible.


    Although I will say that both TF1 and TF2 managed to land 1 really great joke each.And literally every other attempt at humour was actively horrible. Not just not funny, but actively bad. It was like an amazing highlight in a sea of shit. A cup of cool delicious beer stranded in the depths of the Sahara.

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    My Neighbor Totoro is in theaters this weekend, with an animated shorts program:

    http://gkidstickets.com/

    Here is Ebert's lovely review of the movie:
    Here is a children's film made for the world we should live in, rather than the one we occupy. A film with no villains. No fight scenes. No evil adults. No fighting between the two kids. No scary monsters. No darkness before the dawn. A world that is benign. A world where if you meet a strange towering creature in the forest, you curl up on its tummy and have a nap.

    ...Whenever I watch it, I smile, and smile, and smile.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    No monsters? Totoro scares the shit out of my 4-year-old.

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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    My Neighbor Totoro is in theaters this weekend, with an animated shorts program:

    http://gkidstickets.com/

    Here is Ebert's lovely review of the movie:
    Here is a children's film made for the world we should live in, rather than the one we occupy. A film with no villains. No fight scenes. No evil adults. No fighting between the two kids. No scary monsters. No darkness before the dawn. A world that is benign. A world where if you meet a strange towering creature in the forest, you curl up on its tummy and have a nap.

    ...Whenever I watch it, I smile, and smile, and smile.
    I'm seeing it in the theater on Sunday! :D It's been around 20 years since I last saw it.

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    TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited June 2017
    I've never seen the dub. Is it pretty good? Would love to catch that on Sunday.

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    HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    Totoro is basically the favorite movie of my 3- and 6-year old daughters, to the extent that my 3-year-old's oversized stuffed monkey has been named 'Totoro' for the last four months.

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    wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    I've never seen the dub. Is it pretty good? Would love to catch that on Sunday.
    The dub is by Disney, and their dubs are generally top-notch, but I've only ever seen the older pre-Disney dub.

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    HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    I have the Disney Blu-Ray, and have no major complaints about the dub, other than that a key bit of dialogue seems to be missing during the scene when Mei shows up at the school.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I remember really liking Totoro when I was around 6 years old

    The kid's playroom at my mom's hospital had a copy on VHS that I would watch, and I had no idea what was going on but I remember liking the giant friendly cat monster.

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    MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    My 7 and 3 year old love Totoro. The little one cackles at Catbus.

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