y2jake215certified Flat Birther theoristthe Last Good Boy onlineRegistered Userregular
fwiw both the referee and the head of officiating have said the jets fumble was "obvious" and that it was the right call. from their interviews it sounds like they considered ASJ switching the ball from one arm to the other as not controlling it through the ground
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either way it seems an overly harsh rule that should probably be changed. in madden it was always a particularly distressing result, especially since they never explain why the hell you don't have 7 points or the ball anymore
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either way it seems an overly harsh rule that should probably be changed. in madden it was always a particularly distressing result, especially since they never explain why the hell you don't have 7 points or the ball anymore
fwiw both the referee and the head of officiating have said the jets fumble was "obvious" and that it was the right call. from their interviews it sounds like they considered ASJ switching the ball from one arm to the other as not controlling it through the ground
*shrug emoji*
they're still wrong, shrug. nfl cyas all the time even on calls they know are wrong, so this doesn't convince me much at all. if it was ruled that on the field, sure, but there is in no universe where there is indisputable evidence he didn't recover the ball or hit knee first after doing so.
the central conceit of the review system is when you can't be sure what happened, you throw your hands in the air and let the field ruling stand.
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fwiw both the referee and the head of officiating have said the jets fumble was "obvious" and that it was the right call. from their interviews it sounds like they considered ASJ switching the ball from one arm to the other as not controlling it through the ground
*shrug emoji*
they're still wrong, shrug. nfl cyas all the time even on calls they know are wrong, so this doesn't convince me much at all. if it was ruled that on the field, sure, but there is in no universe where there is indisputable evidence he didn't recover the ball or hit knee first after doing so.
the central conceit of the review system is when you can't be sure what happened, you throw your hands in the air and let the field ruling stand.
and they'll often admit when they made the wrong call. i don't know what more there is to say about it if you don't believe the foremost authority on it. if in the referee's eyes, switching the ball from left to right is not having control, which is what they said, there is indisputable video evidence he did not reestablish possession going to the ground.
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if you want to argue that that IS control, well, i'm glad the people who were in charge of making the decision disagreed
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re-reading it, the ref makes it sounds like, by rule, once you fumble, you have to go to the ground and survive hitting the ground to re-establish possession.
and since he was falling out of bounds, there was literally like.. no way for him to do it. unless he landed in bounds. if that's the case its a pretty dumb rule
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re-reading it, the ref makes it sounds like, by rule, once you fumble, you have to go to the ground and survive hitting the ground to re-establish possession.
and since he was falling out of bounds, there was literally like.. no way for him to do it. unless he landed in bounds. if that's the case its a pretty dumb rule
I guess it's like a bobbled catch? I'm leaving work soon and can't look up the rules, but from what I recall if you bobble a catch and then regain possession and your next contact is OB it's not a catch.
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re-reading it, the ref makes it sounds like, by rule, once you fumble, you have to go to the ground and survive hitting the ground to re-establish possession.
and since he was falling out of bounds, there was literally like.. no way for him to do it. unless he landed in bounds. if that's the case its a pretty dumb rule
I guess it's like a bobbled catch? I'm leaving work soon and can't look up the rules, but from what I recall if you bobble a catch and then regain possession and your next contact is OB it's not a catch.
they said its basically like a catch with having to reestablish possession, not just control, so i'm pretty sure you're right -
but its unclear whether its not reestablished because of
1. shifting the ball from arm to arm at the end - representing not "keeping control through the ground"
or 2. since he landed out of bounds, he was never going to be able to reestablish possession, since he had to keep control through the ground to "reestablish", and as soon as he hit out of bounds its a touchback since the ball is still a fumble until that possession is reestablished
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The complaint was that he ran too much. And may not have a good pocket presence due to getting sacked to much. But, with the GB OL, he'd be right at home!
And in three seasons still managed to end up with the school record for most TDs (75). Rosen needs 26 right now to beat it.
People who watched UCLA knew he had talent. Whether or not he has enough for the NFL is always the question.
re-reading it, the ref makes it sounds like, by rule, once you fumble, you have to go to the ground and survive hitting the ground to re-establish possession.
and since he was falling out of bounds, there was literally like.. no way for him to do it. unless he landed in bounds. if that's the case its a pretty dumb rule
That is what he's saying, but the knee might have came down first which means he would have re established in bounds and thus it's a touchdown. The video evidence isn't strong enough to overturn.
And yes it's a very dumb rule.
Edit: though, further, a bobble doesn't always count as a loss of control for a runner like it does a receiver so it's mostly bullshit on top of bullshit.
So... yeah. Kaep isn't getting picked up in GB because of sunken cost on our 3rd string QB.
God fuckign damn it. Hopefully its just an act. Rodgers is getting surgery, he's done for the season. Just fucking tank and get a high draft pick for a change.
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holy shit, @dlinfiniti has one in the win column now! Also, there is a swarm of 4-2s in F&L, may the highest point totals win.
holy shit, @dlinfiniti has one in the win column now! Also, there is a swarm of 4-2s in F&L, may the highest point totals win.
first of all its not just a win
it is the highest scoring team in the history of week 6
what amazing win
what gutsy play
a match for the ages
this is where history will mark the turn around point of the championship sp00ns' season
incredible
Joe Montana would be in awe
fwiw both the referee and the head of officiating have said the jets fumble was "obvious" and that it was the right call. from their interviews it sounds like they considered ASJ switching the ball from one arm to the other as not controlling it through the ground
*shrug emoji*
This angle makes it really obvious that it was the correct call. No idea why they weren't showing it on the broadcast https://streamable.com/qrsrb
fwiw both the referee and the head of officiating have said the jets fumble was "obvious" and that it was the right call. from their interviews it sounds like they considered ASJ switching the ball from one arm to the other as not controlling it through the ground
*shrug emoji*
This angle makes it really obvious that it was the correct call. No idea why they weren't showing it on the broadcast https://streamable.com/qrsrb
The only question in my mind is has he "recovered" the ball in between clearly not having ANY control of the ball as it's hovering in mid-air in front of him and landing on the ground and the ball popping loose again in his hands. It looks like it's being cradled the whole time, first by his arms and then his left hand, but even if it wasn't... I think I'm okay with them using the same standards as catching for fumble recoveries.*
* I guess it's not actually a fumble until he doesn't recover it, because a ball popping out of a player's hand right back into their hands isn't a fumble, but I don't think this is an inconsistent or unreasonable rules interpretation. Like, if Desean Jackson, instead of just dropping the ball before entering the endzone, threw it up to himself out the back of the endzone, we'd argue that he never had it in the endzone, right? It's just that, in this case, the loss-of-possession is so slight and close-to-the-body.
that angle shows him regain possession of the football before his knee is down, in play, which then touches and instantly ends the possession as he's down by contact.
that angle shows him regain possession of the football before his knee is down, in play, which then instantly ends the possession as he's down by contact.
I don't think so. He puts his right arm on the ball as he's falling, but it clearly squirts out (at 0:05, as the Pats' defender's hand passes by), and at 0:07, you can see the ball move again as he brings his left hand around to press it against his stomach, but then he lands on the ground and the ball bounces off his stomach as he rolls over at 0:10. His left hand looks like it's got the ball, but it's actually just on top of it, as you can see the ball move away from his hand and eventually slip out of his fingers.
I don't think there's a full second anywhere in the clip where he has the ball secured. And this is slow-motion!
shrug. i continue to disagree that it's indisputable. but apparently they split the play up into pieces and said he conclusively lost the ball but inconclusive he recovered it, so it is automatically overturned somehow.
so congratulations nfl, you managed to make the ruling even dumber than i thought. always plumbing new depths of stupid.
fwiw both the referee and the head of officiating have said the jets fumble was "obvious" and that it was the right call. from their interviews it sounds like they considered ASJ switching the ball from one arm to the other as not controlling it through the ground
*shrug emoji*
This angle makes it really obvious that it was the correct call. No idea why they weren't showing it on the broadcast https://streamable.com/qrsrb
The only question in my mind is has he "recovered" the ball in between clearly not having ANY control of the ball as it's hovering in mid-air in front of him and landing on the ground and the ball popping loose again in his hands. It looks like it's being cradled the whole time, first by his arms and then his left hand, but even if it wasn't... I think I'm okay with them using the same standards as catching for fumble recoveries.*
* I guess it's not actually a fumble until he doesn't recover it, because a ball popping out of a player's hand right back into their hands isn't a fumble, but I don't think this is an inconsistent or unreasonable rules interpretation. Like, if Desean Jackson, instead of just dropping the ball before entering the endzone, threw it up to himself out the back of the endzone, we'd argue that he never had it in the endzone, right? It's just that, in this case, the loss-of-possession is so slight and close-to-the-body.
shrug. i continue to disagree that it's indisputable. but apparently they split the play up into pieces and said he conclusively lost the ball but inconclusive he recovered it, so it is automatically overturned somehow.
so congratulations nfl, you managed to make the ruling even dumber than i thought. always plumbing new depths of stupid.
Naw both parts are pretty conclusive. He definitely fumbled. He definitely didn't control it through going to ground oob, so he didn't regain the possession necessary for it to be a TD instead of a touchback
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they're still wrong, shrug. nfl cyas all the time even on calls they know are wrong, so this doesn't convince me much at all. if it was ruled that on the field, sure, but there is in no universe where there is indisputable evidence he didn't recover the ball or hit knee first after doing so.
the central conceit of the review system is when you can't be sure what happened, you throw your hands in the air and let the field ruling stand.
and they'll often admit when they made the wrong call. i don't know what more there is to say about it if you don't believe the foremost authority on it. if in the referee's eyes, switching the ball from left to right is not having control, which is what they said, there is indisputable video evidence he did not reestablish possession going to the ground.
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and since he was falling out of bounds, there was literally like.. no way for him to do it. unless he landed in bounds. if that's the case its a pretty dumb rule
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I guess it's like a bobbled catch? I'm leaving work soon and can't look up the rules, but from what I recall if you bobble a catch and then regain possession and your next contact is OB it's not a catch.
they said its basically like a catch with having to reestablish possession, not just control, so i'm pretty sure you're right -
but its unclear whether its not reestablished because of
1. shifting the ball from arm to arm at the end - representing not "keeping control through the ground"
or 2. since he landed out of bounds, he was never going to be able to reestablish possession, since he had to keep control through the ground to "reestablish", and as soon as he hit out of bounds its a touchback since the ball is still a fumble until that possession is reestablished
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I think this is not exactly accurate.
In a 3 year career he had almost 10,000 yds passing. A 75/25 td/int ratio and lowest season passer rating was 147
And in three seasons still managed to end up with the school record for most TDs (75). Rosen needs 26 right now to beat it.
People who watched UCLA knew he had talent. Whether or not he has enough for the NFL is always the question.
JT Barrett IV scoffs at those numbers.
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but he fits their system, you see
That is what he's saying, but the knee might have came down first which means he would have re established in bounds and thus it's a touchdown. The video evidence isn't strong enough to overturn.
And yes it's a very dumb rule.
Edit: though, further, a bobble doesn't always count as a loss of control for a runner like it does a receiver so it's mostly bullshit on top of bullshit.
I want to see him steal the starting job from Luck.
It won’t happen.
But I want to see it.
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2) he's actually a special teams player
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So... yeah. Kaep isn't getting picked up in GB because of sunken cost on our 3rd string QB.
God fuckign damn it. Hopefully its just an act. Rodgers is getting surgery, he's done for the season. Just fucking tank and get a high draft pick for a change.
first of all its not just a win
it is the highest scoring team in the history of week 6
what amazing win
what gutsy play
a match for the ages
this is where history will mark the turn around point of the championship sp00ns' season
incredible
Joe Montana would be in awe
And as correct as I think Kaep is in the general direction of his complaints, I don't think he's a font of wisdom or savvy dealings
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This angle makes it really obvious that it was the correct call. No idea why they weren't showing it on the broadcast
https://streamable.com/qrsrb
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The only question in my mind is has he "recovered" the ball in between clearly not having ANY control of the ball as it's hovering in mid-air in front of him and landing on the ground and the ball popping loose again in his hands. It looks like it's being cradled the whole time, first by his arms and then his left hand, but even if it wasn't... I think I'm okay with them using the same standards as catching for fumble recoveries.*
* I guess it's not actually a fumble until he doesn't recover it, because a ball popping out of a player's hand right back into their hands isn't a fumble, but I don't think this is an inconsistent or unreasonable rules interpretation. Like, if Desean Jackson, instead of just dropping the ball before entering the endzone, threw it up to himself out the back of the endzone, we'd argue that he never had it in the endzone, right? It's just that, in this case, the loss-of-possession is so slight and close-to-the-body.
I don't think so. He puts his right arm on the ball as he's falling, but it clearly squirts out (at 0:05, as the Pats' defender's hand passes by), and at 0:07, you can see the ball move again as he brings his left hand around to press it against his stomach, but then he lands on the ground and the ball bounces off his stomach as he rolls over at 0:10. His left hand looks like it's got the ball, but it's actually just on top of it, as you can see the ball move away from his hand and eventually slip out of his fingers.
I don't think there's a full second anywhere in the clip where he has the ball secured. And this is slow-motion!
so congratulations nfl, you managed to make the ruling even dumber than i thought. always plumbing new depths of stupid.
I actually made that same comparison on reddit
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Naw both parts are pretty conclusive. He definitely fumbled. He definitely didn't control it through going to ground oob, so he didn't regain the possession necessary for it to be a TD instead of a touchback
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