i'm not sure what isn't appealing about it aside from those genre tropes. it's good for the same reason that dystopian fiction is good.
Okay but I don’t generally care for dystopian fiction, really.
is this because you think it's bad or because you'd rather not read/watch doom and gloom when there's plenty of doom and gloom oppressing us in our actual lives
Both?
There’s something about cyberpunk that seems to glorify the squalor and misery of its setting, and if I’m being honest a lot of it is marred by growing up watching the generation only a little older than me caught up in entertainment where maladjusted antiheroes with shitty goatees and black trenchcoats fought ninja robots in dingy gutters . . . because it looked cool. So much of nerd culture during my tween years seemed like this, and it felt try-hard and hilariously oblivious and not a little tied to the same solipsistic assholes that would later coelesce into the festering clot of the internet’s nice guy/fedora/incel/neckbeard neighborhood.
I know I joke about being the oldest millennial, but while barely true, I identify as such because I identify with millennials and their lives and culture far more than I do GenX. I like bright, poppy, optimistic, inclusive shit. I like media that brings people together over shared interests and common goals. I like to laugh and smile and promote that in others. I like goofy shit. I don’t want to think about all the creative ways shit can get bleak; I want to celebrate all the ways we can do good with a genuine goddamn smile on my face.
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Government facilities have people who's sole job is to schedule conference rooms, and have grids of conference rooms, and it's actually an annoyingly hard job with an unusual amount of politics, because peons get bumped all the time, and get mad because they asked for that conference room weeks ago only to have division head muckity muck just boot them.
you know what setting i want to see exploited
paranoia
make a paranoia crpg
itd be good i promise
You could make that work because reloading is basically getting a new clone. It could be meta-amusing.
Unfortunately you can't play Paranoia anymore because nobody gets the cold war jokes and the ominous tone rings like post-ironic communist memeing now, rather than it being a black comedic take on the actual communist police states that existed when the game was written.
um thats why you just explain the communist memeing the same way fallout does as a relic of the anxieties of friend computer's creators while still having plenty of material to work with in regards to police state since u kno FRIEND COMPUTER
Fallout also fails as a theme now. And hand-waving it away as a relic of unfounded anxiety saps a lot of the color from the genre given that it was written against a backdrop of actual police state horrors. Paranoia was dark comedy because people were getting actually shot to death trying to escape East Germany at the time. Now it's bereft fo context.
it's too hopelessly dated and outside the frame of experience of a generation that doesn't remember what happened before German reunification.
I wish we had names for our conference rooms. We're like "Meet over in the east one. Yeah by the break room. No not upstairs, downstairs." like every time
you know what setting i want to see exploited
paranoia
make a paranoia crpg
itd be good i promise
You could make that work because reloading is basically getting a new clone. It could be meta-amusing.
Unfortunately you can't play Paranoia anymore because nobody gets the cold war jokes and the ominous tone rings like post-ironic communist memeing now, rather than it being a black comedic take on the actual communist police states that existed when the game was written.
um thats why you just explain the communist memeing the same way fallout does as a relic of the anxieties of friend computer's creators while still having plenty of material to work with in regards to police state since u kno FRIEND COMPUTER
Fallout also fails as a theme now. And hand-waving it away as a relic of unfounded anxiety saps a lot of the color from the genre given that it was written against a backdrop of actual police state horrors. Paranoia was dark comedy because people were getting actually shot to death trying to escape East Germany at the time. Now it's bereft fo context.
it's too hopelessly dated and outside the frame of experience of a generation that doesn't remember what happened before German reunification.
Plenty of us like history enough to know about what happened before we were born
context doesn't go away just because you learn about it as history instead of as news
every single office in bergen, and I have been in a bunch of them putting out their ugly furniture, has rooms named after the seven mountains, with other bergensia for further names, which is always the same names, too
All of our conference rooms are named after ideals we should strive for as a company.
I use “honor” a lot.
I take it back, I no longer secretly wish I was qualified to work at your company :razz:
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I guess I should in theory give ready player one a chance but every excerpt I've read has made my brain start bleeding
I dunno if I would be able to power through it if every excerpt I've read has been illustrative of the whole thing
It seems like Joseph Campbell + some guy reading TV Tropes to you
I know that I'd despise it, so I have not tried.
People who know me well enough to know that I'm a nerd but not well enough to know I'm me have recommended it and I've always had to politely demur.
...relatedly, no one in any sphere of my life has responded to my recent requests for book recommendations, I think because they're concerned that I will viciously lambast their fave. Whoops...
The Fifth Element is not, unless I have been grievously misinformed about the definition of the term, 'cyberpunk'. It is a startling contrast to the atmosphere, mood and preoccupations of cyberpunk.
I guess I should in theory give ready player one a chance but every excerpt I've read has made my brain start bleeding
I dunno if I would be able to power through it if every excerpt I've read has been illustrative of the whole thing
It seems like Joseph Campbell + some guy reading TV Tropes to you
I think people give it too much shit. It's just massively popular and that has created a backlash against it.
It's just like The Dresden Files or those trashy Forgotten Realms books that were being written in the 90s, it just doesn't pretend to be anything but what it is. It is absolutely just a bunch of '80s references in a book wrapped in a young adult adventure story. It's not trying to be anything else, and yes it is written poorly.
Ready Player One is a 2011 novel that lifts its setting, premise, and most of its story beats from 1992’s Snow Crash, removes all of the self-awareness, badass action, and philosophical musings on the nature of the relationship between language and technology, replaces them with painfully awkward 80s references, and changes the main character from a samurai pizza deliveryman and freelance hacker to the asshole kid in your friend group who claimed he “didn’t need showers,” vomited onto the page by Ernest Cline. Its bestseller success and Cline’s subsequent 7-figure sale of the screenplay to Steven Spielberg is as close as we can get to objective proof that the meritocracy isn’t working.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
In XY systems that homogametic sex is women, and in ZW the homogametic sex is men
So XY makes homo ladies and ZW makes homo men
So choose based on your appropriate juvenile jokes I guess
Wait don't you have this backwards
No, he got it right
Ah yes, he did. I AM SORRY ARCH I WILL NEVER DOUBT U AGAIN
I will continue to doubt Arch. Can't trust a six-legger.
You're right
With their paucity of legs, they will become jealous, and try to steal the legs of the trustworthies
How dare you! A paucity of legs! I'll have you know that we have reduced the number of legs down to the most efficient and blessed number (3!) and have also made room for wings, so that we can become closer to the divine
In XY systems that homogametic sex is women, and in ZW the homogametic sex is men
So XY makes homo ladies and ZW makes homo men
So choose based on your appropriate juvenile jokes I guess
Wait don't you have this backwards
No, he got it right
Ah yes, he did. I AM SORRY ARCH I WILL NEVER DOUBT U AGAIN
I will continue to doubt Arch. Can't trust a six-legger.
You're right
With their paucity of legs, they will become jealous, and try to steal the legs of the trustworthies
How dare you! A paucity of legs! I'll have you know that we have reduced the number of legs down to the most efficient and blessed number (3!) and have also made room for wings, so that we can become closer to the divine
I guess I should in theory give ready player one a chance but every excerpt I've read has made my brain start bleeding
I dunno if I would be able to power through it if every excerpt I've read has been illustrative of the whole thing
It seems like Joseph Campbell + some guy reading TV Tropes to you
I think people give it too much shit. It's just massively popular and that has created a backlash against it.
It's just like The Dresden Files or those trashy Forgotten Realms books that were being written in the 90s, it just doesn't pretend to be anything but what it is. It is absolutely just a bunch of '80s references in a book wrapped in a young adult adventure story. It's not trying to be anything else, and yes it is written poorly.
But despite all of that, I managed to enjoy it.
you have now named Ready Player One, Dresden Files, Forgotten Realms novels, and Transformers films--all absolutely things that are bad enough that people shouldn't waste their time on them, even if they're looking for silly pulpy fun
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especially if you spent any time digging around in the rest of the files available to you, reading the chatlogs or lurking in the IRC channel, etc
there is no room 1 or room A
I never asked for this.
I love it. Chaos reigns
Both?
There’s something about cyberpunk that seems to glorify the squalor and misery of its setting, and if I’m being honest a lot of it is marred by growing up watching the generation only a little older than me caught up in entertainment where maladjusted antiheroes with shitty goatees and black trenchcoats fought ninja robots in dingy gutters . . . because it looked cool. So much of nerd culture during my tween years seemed like this, and it felt try-hard and hilariously oblivious and not a little tied to the same solipsistic assholes that would later coelesce into the festering clot of the internet’s nice guy/fedora/incel/neckbeard neighborhood.
I know I joke about being the oldest millennial, but while barely true, I identify as such because I identify with millennials and their lives and culture far more than I do GenX. I like bright, poppy, optimistic, inclusive shit. I like media that brings people together over shared interests and common goals. I like to laugh and smile and promote that in others. I like goofy shit. I don’t want to think about all the creative ways shit can get bleak; I want to celebrate all the ways we can do good with a genuine goddamn smile on my face.
Fallout also fails as a theme now. And hand-waving it away as a relic of unfounded anxiety saps a lot of the color from the genre given that it was written against a backdrop of actual police state horrors. Paranoia was dark comedy because people were getting actually shot to death trying to escape East Germany at the time. Now it's bereft fo context.
it's too hopelessly dated and outside the frame of experience of a generation that doesn't remember what happened before German reunification.
can we stop copying blade runner now
make your own shit maybe it'll be real cool instead of "oh, you're doing blade runner"
I use “honor” a lot.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
also conference room C is just a storage closet
fifth element is the best future movie because they have their own unique culture and it is so absolutely stupid that it's almost realistic
Plenty of us like history enough to know about what happened before we were born
context doesn't go away just because you learn about it as history instead of as news
This is painfully corporate and instinctively makes me want to revolt.
Can you tell I work at a law firm
I dunno if I would be able to power through it if every excerpt I've read has been illustrative of the whole thing
It seems like Joseph Campbell + some guy reading TV Tropes to you
you dare besmirch the honor of the conference room next to the kitchen!?
DRAW YOUR KATANA
This is an atrocity
You're right
With their paucity of legs, they will become jealous, and try to steal the legs of the trustworthies
I take it back, I no longer secretly wish I was qualified to work at your company :razz:
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I know that I'd despise it, so I have not tried.
People who know me well enough to know that I'm a nerd but not well enough to know I'm me have recommended it and I've always had to politely demur.
...relatedly, no one in any sphere of my life has responded to my recent requests for book recommendations, I think because they're concerned that I will viciously lambast their fave. Whoops...
FOOL
You have exposed your flank to the blades of the treacherous office supply closet! Your end is near!
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I think people give it too much shit. It's just massively popular and that has created a backlash against it.
It's just like The Dresden Files or those trashy Forgotten Realms books that were being written in the 90s, it just doesn't pretend to be anything but what it is. It is absolutely just a bunch of '80s references in a book wrapped in a young adult adventure story. It's not trying to be anything else, and yes it is written poorly.
But despite all of that, I managed to enjoy it.
@Ludious
The video here is off-putting so I just recommend reading the transcript:
https://www.heypoorplayer.com/2017/07/28/second-opinion-ready-player-one-worst-thing-nerd-culture-ever-produced/
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
How dare you! A paucity of legs! I'll have you know that we have reduced the number of legs down to the most efficient and blessed number (3!) and have also made room for wings, so that we can become closer to the divine
you
you
bottom feeder
I remember reading one when I was a teenager where the protagonist fucked a vampire woman so hard that she reconsidered being evil
there were other plot details but they fade into background noise against such an artistic achievement as that
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Futuristic? Check.
Technology/Science? Check.
Grandiose story? Check.
Come and get me, motherfucker
you have now named Ready Player One, Dresden Files, Forgotten Realms novels, and Transformers films--all absolutely things that are bad enough that people shouldn't waste their time on them, even if they're looking for silly pulpy fun
Heh I definitely thought Snow Crash was pretty cool
I probably still think it's pretty cool
I should buy it; I almost certainly don't own it, or at least I haven't seen it around for a long time if I do