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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] My Better Brexit Deal Goes To Another School

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2019
    Tube wrote: »
    Uh

    Nothing has changed though

    The eu won’t renegotiate

    Am I missing something

    The publications in question are "news" and arguably more delusiinal than May? I assume that's the point being made here, that they should be pointed at and laughed at.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    The pro-Brexit press are loving this.





    (The BBC is a news organization. The Daily Mail and Daily Express claim to be.)

    Well, Mission Accomplished, then, I guess.

    I have to say, I am impressed by Parliament's sheer belligerent and persistent dysfunction.

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    tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    I think it’s probably time for our uk forumers to sell any pounds they have and buy euros and dollars instead. Not only will it give you protection against Brexit, probably the only thing which can stop it now would be a run on the banks as remainders abandon the pound.

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    DirtmuncherDirtmuncher Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    The pro-Brexit press are loving this.





    (The BBC is a news organization. The Daily Mail and Daily Express claim to be.)

    Daily express and BBCNews are sponsored by the state/brexiteers ?

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    ?? Unclear what you mean here. The two front pages are from the Daily Mail and Daily Express, noted frothing loons. The BBC account is simply reporting the Mail's front page.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Sometimes it still catches me off guard on how bonkers UK media can be.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    OK sure, she'll return to Brussels with the "full weight" of Parliament behind her, I guess. Why is the EU going to care? The UK has absolutely no leverage in this situation and the leadership either doesn't realize it, or refuses to admit it in the hopes that nobody else knows it. It's like they think they are calling a bluff, but forgot that they have deuce - seven, and oh yeah the other side is holding pocket aces and has already shown their cards!

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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    I wonder if it was intentional that the withdrawal time was set for 11pm on March 29th.

    The eleventh hour, indeed.

    It's midnight European time.

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    AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    OK sure, she'll return to Brussels with the "full weight" of Parliament behind her, I guess. Why is the EU going to care? The UK has absolutely no leverage in this situation and the leadership either doesn't realize it, or refuses to admit it in the hopes that nobody else knows it. It's like they think they are calling a bluff, but forgot that they have deuce - seven, and oh yeah the other side is holding pocket aces and has already shown their cards!

    The government knows, they really know. They want to blame all bad things on the EU, they are currently praying for Tusk making another joke at May's expense. They are making ritual sacrifices to the God of Gaffes that one of the hundreds of EU representatives makes an off-colour remark about the UK. They will find that remark, they will play it on loop and they will convince the UK population that the EU is the reason why there are going to be food and medicine shortages.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    "Blaming the EU" has worked* for literally decades, why stop now just 'cause you're leaving it?

    (*for certain values of)

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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    This is the modern 'conservative' - privatize the good, blame the bad on everyone else.

    So ridiculously bad and transparent

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    pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    I wonder if it was intentional that the withdrawal time was set for 11pm on March 29th.

    The eleventh hour, indeed.

    It's midnight European time.

    The Brexiteers wanted it to be midnight UK time, but our negotiators conceded that point very early on.

    Even back then, it was clear the Government's negotiating team were not the crack team we were promised.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    pezgen wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    I wonder if it was intentional that the withdrawal time was set for 11pm on March 29th.

    The eleventh hour, indeed.

    It's midnight European time.

    The Brexiteers wanted it to be midnight UK time, but our negotiators conceded that point very early on.

    Even back then, it was clear the Government's negotiating team were not the crack team we were promised.

    The only way they could have made it better is if they set it to expire on April the 1st... We could be the April fools!

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    pezgen wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    I wonder if it was intentional that the withdrawal time was set for 11pm on March 29th.

    The eleventh hour, indeed.

    It's midnight European time.

    The Brexiteers wanted it to be midnight UK time, but our negotiators conceded that point very early on.

    Even back then, it was clear the Government's negotiating team were not the crack team we were promised.

    The only way they could have made it better is if they set it to expire on April the 1st... We could be the April fools!

    Since I expect Brexit to have taken effect by then, I don’t see any “could” about it.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    I'm predicting a bunch of "UK rejoins the EU!" news stories on April 1st. Followed by a backlash from a whole mess of people who don't get the joke (probably because it won't be funny).

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    NoughtNought Registered User regular
    pezgen wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    I wonder if it was intentional that the withdrawal time was set for 11pm on March 29th.

    The eleventh hour, indeed.

    It's midnight European time.

    The Brexiteers wanted it to be midnight UK time, but our negotiators conceded that point very early on.

    Even back then, it was clear the Government's negotiating team were not the crack team we were promised.

    Please say that is true and not a joke.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    tusk has said he will talk to may this evening, so unless she says something pretty extraordinary she will get promises of political declaration fiddle and not much else

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    Political correspondent, ITV News.



    Dimly, in the distance, Billy Bragg can be heard claiming this is all part of the plan.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    I think I might hate Labour more now than I hate the Tories.
    I expect the Tories to be like this. I dared to hope for some rationality from the opposition. It's like when the non-Slytherin students turn out to be assholes, too. (I was going to say Gryffindor but let's face it, they wouldn't even qualify as Hufflepuffs now)

    They could have done something to stop this, or at least steer us into a less fatal crash. I hope history buries Jeremy for this.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    It ia remarkable and infuriating how bad our opposition party is.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    I want to be mad at the electorate for putting May back in when we had a chance to get rid of her but then I look at Corbyn and just how fucking useless and incompetent he is and I just just cant work up the anger.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I don't hate Labour more because this is all the Tory Party's fault. This whole shitstorm is because of Tory Party Politics, and their concerns about election, and their stupid ERG, and all that.

    The opposition is shit and frustrating right now, absolutely. I'm enraged by them. But don't forget, Labour campaigned against a referendum. They do bear responsibility in part, leadership means that, but we are leaving the EU because of the Tory Party and we must always remember that and say it loudly. They're the ones crippling the economy, crashing the pound, destroying our Alliances. They are the fucking blight on our country.

    I'm enraged by Labour but I hate the Tories for this. Hate them. This is going to be our generation's miners strike/poll tax, if we crash out. And while Labour aren't doing shit about it, the Tories are driving it. Fuck them. Forever!

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I have a burning hatred for everyone in Parliament and the rest of the government at the moment. The most they could manage was what, a polite non-binding request that maybe try to avoid going no-deal, if it's not too much of a bother, maybe please? And all of it because everyone is afraid of losing what power they have, either by crashing the government or getting voted out of their cushy jobs.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    But it's non-binding, so to ignore it would be to destroy trust in politics!

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2019
    It ia remarkable and infuriating how bad our opposition party is.

    It's hard to be The Opposition when you are led by someone not actually opposed to what is happening.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    I’m not saying the EU have given up entirely and gone into “save yourselves” mode, but the European Investment Bank is ramping up investment in Ireland to help the country get through no deal as best it can.


    RTÉ news is Ireland’s public broadcast news service.

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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    ...and I’m not saying that the UK’s financial sector have given up entirely and gone into “save yourselves” mode, but Barclays have won a high court judgement (required for these sort of transactions) to shift over £190 billion in assets to its branch in Ireland, as it “cannot wait any longer” and must prepare for a no deal scenario.


    Tom Boadle is a specialist business producer with Sky News.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    There's only going to be more than that very soon.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    I think most Leavers will yell GOOD RIDDANCE and scowl in the corner of an unheated old people's home, eating beans from a cold tin before they'll admit they were wrong about Brexit. It's going to be a case of waiting until the stupid die out in enough numbers to make going back into the single market and the customs union a viable national choice.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I think most Leavers will yell GOOD RIDDANCE and scowl in the corner of an unheated old people's home, eating beans from a cold tin before they'll admit they were wrong about Brexit. It's going to be a case of waiting until the stupid die out in enough numbers to make going back into the single market and the customs union a viable national choice.

    The availability of beans seems a rather optimistic take.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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    PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    The most I dare hope for at this point isn't that leavers will learn anything, but that they'll make an example out of themselves.

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    If it'll help, I have (no joke) a recipe for how to cook leather shoes.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
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    This is going to be our generation's miners strike/poll tax, if we crash out.

    If we're very, very lucky.

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    pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    If it'll help, I have (no joke) a recipe for how to cook leather shoes.

    Now that is an innovative jam.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    If it'll help, I have (no joke) a recipe for how to cook leather shoes.

    If you post it Bogart will have to decide if it's on-topic, and I worry about his mental well-being if he decides it is.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    i dont hate labour too much because they are in a weird position, have lots of solid and sensibly-contributing individual members and in reality just havent had that much control and have always been fundamentally at the mercy of dup and a few tory rebels

    rhetoric of party leadership has been pretty weak

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    CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    pezgen wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    I wonder if it was intentional that the withdrawal time was set for 11pm on March 29th.

    The eleventh hour, indeed.

    It's midnight European time.

    The Brexiteers wanted it to be midnight UK time, but our negotiators conceded that point very early on.

    Even back then, it was clear the Government's negotiating team were not the crack team we were promised.

    The only way they could have made it better is if they set it to expire on April the 1st... We could be the April fools!

    Since negotiations are going so well, maybe they could move the date forward a bit to, saaaaay, February 29?

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    i dont hate labour too much because they are in a weird position, have lots of solid and sensibly-contributing individual members and in reality just havent had that much control and have always been fundamentally at the mercy of dup and a few tory rebels

    rhetoric of party leadership has been pretty weak

    I'll quite happily begrudge three line whipping a bunch of votes to, for example, get the ball rolling and then say the true battle begins, even if that's aimed squarely at the leadership. It's one thing if they tried to stop it and weren't successful, but that's not the read I get.

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    danxdanx Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    I think I might hate Labour more now than I hate the Tories.
    I expect the Tories to be like this. I dared to hope for some rationality from the opposition. It's like when the non-Slytherin students turn out to be assholes, too. (I was going to say Gryffindor but let's face it, they wouldn't even qualify as Hufflepuffs now)

    They could have done something to stop this, or at least steer us into a less fatal crash. I hope history buries Jeremy for this.

    It's hard for me to hate Labour only because I've been there and done that with Scottish Labour and Labour in Scotland over a decade ago. That they're incompetent isn't news up here. I'm not old enough to remember if they were always this way and Blair was the exception for a time or if this is recent.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    If it'll help, I have (no joke) a recipe for how to cook leather shoes.

    Hold on, I'll try and find you that Soviet phamplet from the siege of Leningrad on the order in which to eat pets and how to cook them.

    PS - I suggest going with their strategy of trading cats with the neighbour before you eat them to make it less awkward at the table.

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