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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] My Better Brexit Deal Goes To Another School
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I think you've got the argument slightly backwards, in all honesty. The EU/Japan trade deal has been on the cards since 2013, albeit with some delays on its journey. At the very least, this trade deal was at an advanced stage by the time the referendum was held. The benefits were visible to all. On top of that, car production, pardon the pun, had been stalling for almost a decade at the same time. Market intelligence was fairly agreeable so people knew the challenges the industry was facing.
As a result, the arguments that the proponents of Brexit should have been making during the campaign, and definitely should be able to explain with clarity 5 weeks before we are due to withdraw from the EU, is why Brexit help better protect these struggling industries? Maybe not provide all the answers but enough to give assurances to businesses, both domestic and international why Brexit will help.
It utterly fails to do so. Businesses that were struggling before Brexit still appear to be struggling today, if not already finished.
Honda may very well have left the UK regardless of Brexit but if Brexit can't save these industries, or at least halt their decline what really is the point of the whole exercise? There is no evidence anywhere that even gives the smallest hint that Brexit will see struggling industries through to a more favourable position.
So on that basis, why remove ourselves from what is now the biggest trade agreement in history (EU/Japan)? It commits both sides to virtually zero tariffs over time, as a key benefit. Where is the added benefit to either the UK or Japan from. Brexit, if not already secured via this agreement? And if Japan are already committed to the plan to move manufacturing back to Japan and export goods back into the EU, why is there absolutely no debate on how we can stop that through Brexit? It's illogical.
the title of the video is particularly hysterical, as the person who posted it thinks minford comes off well in this
12:00 for the moment where he explains about the upset vested interests like "the car industry", and then says they will be clamouring for trade agreements because they are "losing"
later on he explains that nobody will tariff our goods because it would be "economic self-harm", without apparently understanding how wto mfn rules work
hes such an idiot
"well be facing world prices, itll be so great, that 2% saving will make us RICH RICH RICH BABYYYYYY global player"
If you expect politicians to lie, why do you keep quoting Tomlinson's rationalization of the Honda plant closure as if it's indisputable fact?
Pickard is a political correspondent bforbthe financial times.
Wait, the UK has a rule against using Parliament footage on comedy shows?
I mean, given how thin-skinned Corbyn seems to be, and combine that with the staggering arrogance of the blustering fools on the right like David Cameron or Boris Johnson, is it any surprise they'd have a rule against it?
Japanese business leaving is nothing to do with Brexit. What would the ambassador of Japan know?
What does it take for people to self-reflect in light of continued economic disaster and say, "hmm maybe I got this one wrong". I have a horrible feeling that maybe Swindon and Sunderland would merrily vote for Brexit again...
Well, they also appear to be the only economists that can be found who say that it's a good thing.
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Revoking article 50 probably doesnt require a vote. The authorizing legislation granted authority to invoke to the prime minister and so the prime minister can revoke. Realistically it does require a vote but if there were a snap election a different PM could probably revoke without a new authorizing vote because the original authorizing vote was a grant of authority and not a specific instruction.
Technically the Queen could unilaterally revoke even.
Realistically though yea, gonana require a vote.
I mean, that is the issue
They are the only economists that think brexit is a good thing overall
However their definition of "good thing" is unlikely to square with that of much of the leave voting public
I genuinely have no idea what point you're trying to make here. You bought up Chukka's change of heart over a second referendum, one which I said in the post you quoted (but excised from the quote) was reasonable considering the way Brexit has been handled in the intervening three years. I gave examples of people on the other side who had similarly changed their tune (though with less reason, other than the fact that they won and weren't expecting to).
And then you start talking about Blair and Iraq and really I have no idea what you think your point is.
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Geth, close the thread.
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