I have actual research in my notes that I can dig up showing that open offices are cancer, if anybody cares.
They reduce productivity, increase stress, and promote the spread of infectious disease.
Both auditory and visual distractions contribute to stress, so using glass doesn't help. (Also glass reflects sound so it's a terrible noise barrier)
Full offices are best. Tall cubicles are a close second.
The sad thing is that we've fucking known this since the 1950s, but as Upton Sinclair said, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
is it cheaper, accounting for turnover and reduced productivity?
I suspect it's not cheaper - i.e. that it IS cheaper in the long run to treat workers better, a la Costco / WF - and that makes me wonder why they haven't changed
The only reason cubicles and open offices are cheaper is if you want to change layout for whatever reason.
If you have an office space and you're not planning to rejigger it to focus your feng shui or sell it in 5 years, it's still cheaper to just build the offices and give people a private space.
Worst case you just have to move furniture around and reprint a plaque inside the office.
You can fit a lot more people per square footage in an open office than you can in cubicles
And you can fit more people in cubicles than in full offices
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
even the most horny office will spend very little time fucking in their offices compared to the amount of time someone will be droning on while leaning over the cubicle while they were on their way to get coffee
We had one lady that was a sex addict when I worked for shit co and instead of addressing the problem directly with the person they decided to just try and police her computer usage and put her right at the front door.
As soon as my boss wasn't looking, whoops porn.
I think it made my boss uncomfortable to talk about because he was a born again evangelical cult member type person.
Rookie mistake. You NEVER bet on shame. Shame will take a dive every time.
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This past month, we here at CodeWeavers and the wider Wine community suffered a devastating loss. Our friend and colleague, Józef Kucia, died at the age of 28.
Józef first contributed to Wine in March of 2012, showing remarkable skill with Wine’s D3D technology. He became a key contributor to Wine, submitting over 2,500 patches. He also contributed to other open source projects including Mesa and Debian. Józef founded and led the vkd3d project and provided insight and guidance to the Vulkan working group.
This August, Józef took an extended vacation to the Tatra mountains to explore the longest and deepest cave in Poland, Wielka Sniezna ("Great Snowy Cave"). While exploring, he and another member of his group of six became separated by an unexpected flow of water. Despite an extensive rescue operation, Józef and his companion died.
If you simply must go outside don't go into a cave
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
This past month, we here at CodeWeavers and the wider Wine community suffered a devastating loss. Our friend and colleague, Józef Kucia, died at the age of 28.
Józef first contributed to Wine in March of 2012, showing remarkable skill with Wine’s D3D technology. He became a key contributor to Wine, submitting over 2,500 patches. He also contributed to other open source projects including Mesa and Debian. Józef founded and led the vkd3d project and provided insight and guidance to the Vulkan working group.
This August, Józef took an extended vacation to the Tatra mountains to explore the longest and deepest cave in Poland, Wielka Sniezna ("Great Snowy Cave"). While exploring, he and another member of his group of six became separated by an unexpected flow of water. Despite an extensive rescue operation, Józef and his companion died.
If you simply must go outside don't go into a cave
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
I'm with you, other than the fact that a spelunking related death sounds like pretty much the worst possible way to go.
don't need to worry about how to efficiently utilize office space if you just let everyone work from home
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I have found my Smash fighters in Zero Suit Samus, Ryu, and Dedede.
This past month, we here at CodeWeavers and the wider Wine community suffered a devastating loss. Our friend and colleague, Józef Kucia, died at the age of 28.
Józef first contributed to Wine in March of 2012, showing remarkable skill with Wine’s D3D technology. He became a key contributor to Wine, submitting over 2,500 patches. He also contributed to other open source projects including Mesa and Debian. Józef founded and led the vkd3d project and provided insight and guidance to the Vulkan working group.
This August, Józef took an extended vacation to the Tatra mountains to explore the longest and deepest cave in Poland, Wielka Sniezna ("Great Snowy Cave"). While exploring, he and another member of his group of six became separated by an unexpected flow of water. Despite an extensive rescue operation, Józef and his companion died.
If you simply must go outside don't go into a cave
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
I'm with you, other than the fact that a spelunking related death sounds like pretty much the worst possible way to go.
Literally a nightmare scenario to me. Like In the recent tomb raider game they had parts where Laura is trapped in tiny space and its one of the few times I was legit like mentally in anguish playing a game. Just full on "jesus this is a fear of mine playing out right in front of me."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
This past month, we here at CodeWeavers and the wider Wine community suffered a devastating loss. Our friend and colleague, Józef Kucia, died at the age of 28.
Józef first contributed to Wine in March of 2012, showing remarkable skill with Wine’s D3D technology. He became a key contributor to Wine, submitting over 2,500 patches. He also contributed to other open source projects including Mesa and Debian. Józef founded and led the vkd3d project and provided insight and guidance to the Vulkan working group.
This August, Józef took an extended vacation to the Tatra mountains to explore the longest and deepest cave in Poland, Wielka Sniezna ("Great Snowy Cave"). While exploring, he and another member of his group of six became separated by an unexpected flow of water. Despite an extensive rescue operation, Józef and his companion died.
If you simply must go outside don't go into a cave
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
I'm with you, other than the fact that a spelunking related death sounds like pretty much the worst possible way to go.
Literally a nightmare scenario to me. Like In the recent tomb raider game they had parts where Laura is trapped in tiny space and its one of the few times I was legit like mentally in anguish playing a game. Just full on "jesus this is a fear of mine playing out right in front of me."
Oh god when shes climbing up and that shit is just collapsing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I have actual research in my notes that I can dig up showing that open offices are cancer, if anybody cares.
They reduce productivity, increase stress, and promote the spread of infectious disease.
Both auditory and visual distractions contribute to stress, so using glass doesn't help. (Also glass reflects sound so it's a terrible noise barrier)
Full offices are best. Tall cubicles are a close second.
The sad thing is that we've fucking known this since the 1950s, but as Upton Sinclair said, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
is it cheaper, accounting for turnover and reduced productivity?
I suspect it's not cheaper - i.e. that it IS cheaper in the long run to treat workers better, a la Costco / WF - and that makes me wonder why they haven't changed
The only reason cubicles and open offices are cheaper is if you want to change layout for whatever reason.
If you have an office space and you're not planning to rejigger it to focus your feng shui or sell it in 5 years, it's still cheaper to just build the offices and give people a private space.
Worst case you just have to move furniture around and reprint a plaque inside the office.
You can fit a lot more people per square footage in an open office than you can in cubicles
And you can fit more people in cubicles than in full offices
What's the differential between turnover and the % increase in full offices? It's probably nearly a wash.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
don't need to worry about how to efficiently utilize office space if you just let everyone work from home
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
My boss worked from home at amazon a couple decades ago (shit decades? oh god wasted youth) and he said he'd never work from home again long term because he started to go stir crazy from technically working with people but never interacting with them in person. Also it made his home feel too much like his work even when he wasn't working.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
This past month, we here at CodeWeavers and the wider Wine community suffered a devastating loss. Our friend and colleague, Józef Kucia, died at the age of 28.
Józef first contributed to Wine in March of 2012, showing remarkable skill with Wine’s D3D technology. He became a key contributor to Wine, submitting over 2,500 patches. He also contributed to other open source projects including Mesa and Debian. Józef founded and led the vkd3d project and provided insight and guidance to the Vulkan working group.
This August, Józef took an extended vacation to the Tatra mountains to explore the longest and deepest cave in Poland, Wielka Sniezna ("Great Snowy Cave"). While exploring, he and another member of his group of six became separated by an unexpected flow of water. Despite an extensive rescue operation, Józef and his companion died.
If you simply must go outside don't go into a cave
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
I'm with you, other than the fact that a spelunking related death sounds like pretty much the worst possible way to go.
Literally a nightmare scenario to me. Like In the recent tomb raider game they had parts where Laura is trapped in tiny space and its one of the few times I was legit like mentally in anguish playing a game. Just full on "jesus this is a fear of mine playing out right in front of me."
Oh god when shes climbing up and that shit is just collapsing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Yeah like most people who talk about scary games are like "oh I couldn't play dead space it freaks me out too much" and I'm like "nah that's nothing doesn't bother me" but that tomb raider slowly trying to work your way through an all too small crack oh god it might not be big enough.... AHHHHHHH
Fucks me up so god damn much.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
don't need to worry about how to efficiently utilize office space if you just let everyone work from home
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
My boss worked from home at amazon a couple decades ago (shit decades? oh god wasted youth) and he said he'd never work from home again long term because he started to go stir crazy from technically working with people but never interacting with them in person. Also it made his home feel too much like his work even when he wasn't working.
I do two a week and a few people working for my company are on a trial program to do it full time (you'd need a certain amount of tenure before being eligible most likely). I'd definitely do three but not sure about four or five
don't need to worry about how to efficiently utilize office space if you just let everyone work from home
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
My boss worked from home at amazon a couple decades ago (shit decades? oh god wasted youth) and he said he'd never work from home again long term because he started to go stir crazy from technically working with people but never interacting with them in person. Also it made his home feel too much like his work even when he wasn't working.
this is like how people can't stop thinking about work when they leave work
at 5:00 as I'm walking out the door I no longer devote any brain power, even in passing, to work
I literally will not think about it unless someone messages me or texts me from work
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
This past month, we here at CodeWeavers and the wider Wine community suffered a devastating loss. Our friend and colleague, Józef Kucia, died at the age of 28.
Józef first contributed to Wine in March of 2012, showing remarkable skill with Wine’s D3D technology. He became a key contributor to Wine, submitting over 2,500 patches. He also contributed to other open source projects including Mesa and Debian. Józef founded and led the vkd3d project and provided insight and guidance to the Vulkan working group.
This August, Józef took an extended vacation to the Tatra mountains to explore the longest and deepest cave in Poland, Wielka Sniezna ("Great Snowy Cave"). While exploring, he and another member of his group of six became separated by an unexpected flow of water. Despite an extensive rescue operation, Józef and his companion died.
If you simply must go outside don't go into a cave
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
I'm with you, other than the fact that a spelunking related death sounds like pretty much the worst possible way to go.
Literally a nightmare scenario to me. Like In the recent tomb raider game they had parts where Laura is trapped in tiny space and its one of the few times I was legit like mentally in anguish playing a game. Just full on "jesus this is a fear of mine playing out right in front of me."
Oh god when shes climbing up and that shit is just collapsing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Yeah like most people who talk about scary games are like "oh I couldn't play dead space it freaks me out too much" and I'm like "nah that's nothing doesn't bother me" but that tomb raider slowly trying to work your way through an all too small crack oh god it might not be big enough.... AHHHHHHH
Fucks me up so god damn much.
I was visibly cringing when doing it.
Yet when I saw the tree-based climbing axe kill all I could do is laugh.
Reminds me of Richard Dreyfus saying the thing that screwed him the most up on Jaws wasn't anything on set, but when he was in like post production and one of the actresses was doing sound recording for jaws like taking her under water that, that fucked him up.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I wonder if I'm too old to become a firefighter. Probably.
i say unto you those same things i said unto chanus: you know you might have to work for a living, right
are you ok with that frightening prospect
Chu I’m being forced to work today and I’m mad >:[
I spent the morning resolving technical issues with two of my underlings partially coding partially on the phone, then the early afternoon writing up a many pages long description of our project so that the larger group at my company working on this topic has perfect visibility into it, then just now on the phone and by myself at a cafe working on revising/editing/fixing be main idea on the proposal for phase 1b (or whatever) of the project
After this I need to do more coding/data processing too since other people can’t be trusted grrrr
don't need to worry about how to efficiently utilize office space if you just let everyone work from home
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
My boss worked from home at amazon a couple decades ago (shit decades? oh god wasted youth) and he said he'd never work from home again long term because he started to go stir crazy from technically working with people but never interacting with them in person. Also it made his home feel too much like his work even when he wasn't working.
this is like how people can't stop thinking about work when they leave work
at 5:00 as I'm walking out the door I no longer devote any brain power, even in passing, to work
I literally will not think about it unless someone messages me or texts me from work
I don't either, but I do like the idea I drive to the office and drive home. Its a nice separation and lets me not have the danger of "they need me I have to work from home" since nope. My wife has to work from home and its miserable.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
don't need to worry about how to efficiently utilize office space if you just let everyone work from home
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
My boss worked from home at amazon a couple decades ago (shit decades? oh god wasted youth) and he said he'd never work from home again long term because he started to go stir crazy from technically working with people but never interacting with them in person. Also it made his home feel too much like his work even when he wasn't working.
this is like how people can't stop thinking about work when they leave work
at 5:00 as I'm walking out the door I no longer devote any brain power, even in passing, to work
I literally will not think about it unless someone messages me or texts me from work
I don't either, but I do like the idea I drive to the office and drive home. Its a nice separation and lets me not have the danger of "they need me I have to work from home" since nope. My wife has to work from home and its miserable.
there's probably a large group of people that could handle it fine and wouldn't have an issue
and there's probably another large group of people where this drives them crazy
I don't think the solution is everyone working from home or everyone working in an office, but that we should afford both sets of people the ability to do either or.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
okay so not for preacher but for other people the documentary the finnish cave divers made, Diving into the Unknown, of when they came back to get their friends is on netflix
(they rightly assumed the police would not give them permission, so they didn't ask, and they filmed everything in part to give to the inevitable investigation)
okay so not for preacher but for other people the documentary the finnish cave divers made, Diving into the Unknown, of when they came back to get their friends is on netflix
(they rightly assumed the police would not give them permission, so they didn't ask, and they filmed everything in part to give to the inevitable investigation)
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You can fit a lot more people per square footage in an open office than you can in cubicles
And you can fit more people in cubicles than in full offices
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I like that good boat.
Rookie mistake. You NEVER bet on shame. Shame will take a dive every time.
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Fuck Joe Manchin
Same, soon! It’s expensive tho wtf I’m mad
Yeah this is "eagles may fly but weasels don't get sucked into jet engine" territory. Though is it bad that as someone 9 years older than this guy I was happy he died of like misadventure and not a horrifying disease?
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the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'm with you, other than the fact that a spelunking related death sounds like pretty much the worst possible way to go.
or abol-
Working from home is good for some people but (worried glance at the Mom thread) also a lot of people meet important social needs through work and it definitely isn’t for everyone
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Literally a nightmare scenario to me. Like In the recent tomb raider game they had parts where Laura is trapped in tiny space and its one of the few times I was legit like mentally in anguish playing a game. Just full on "jesus this is a fear of mine playing out right in front of me."
pleasepaypreacher.net
i say unto you those same things i said unto chanus: you know you might have to work for a living, right
are you ok with that frightening prospect
Oh god when shes climbing up and that shit is just collapsing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What's the differential between turnover and the % increase in full offices? It's probably nearly a wash.
My boss worked from home at amazon a couple decades ago (shit decades? oh god wasted youth) and he said he'd never work from home again long term because he started to go stir crazy from technically working with people but never interacting with them in person. Also it made his home feel too much like his work even when he wasn't working.
pleasepaypreacher.net
These people are just living their best life. Not letting age stop them.
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Fuck Joe Manchin
Yeah like most people who talk about scary games are like "oh I couldn't play dead space it freaks me out too much" and I'm like "nah that's nothing doesn't bother me" but that tomb raider slowly trying to work your way through an all too small crack oh god it might not be big enough.... AHHHHHHH
Fucks me up so god damn much.
pleasepaypreacher.net
I do two a week and a few people working for my company are on a trial program to do it full time (you'd need a certain amount of tenure before being eligible most likely). I'd definitely do three but not sure about four or five
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
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this is like how people can't stop thinking about work when they leave work
at 5:00 as I'm walking out the door I no longer devote any brain power, even in passing, to work
I literally will not think about it unless someone messages me or texts me from work
I was visibly cringing when doing it.
Yet when I saw the tree-based climbing axe kill all I could do is laugh.
pleasepaypreacher.net
*toot*
Chu I’m being forced to work today and I’m mad >:[
I spent the morning resolving technical issues with two of my underlings partially coding partially on the phone, then the early afternoon writing up a many pages long description of our project so that the larger group at my company working on this topic has perfect visibility into it, then just now on the phone and by myself at a cafe working on revising/editing/fixing be main idea on the proposal for phase 1b (or whatever) of the project
After this I need to do more coding/data processing too since other people can’t be trusted grrrr
I don't either, but I do like the idea I drive to the office and drive home. Its a nice separation and lets me not have the danger of "they need me I have to work from home" since nope. My wife has to work from home and its miserable.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Here is my dog at work, and she wants to go home
Literally who thinks that’s ok
there's probably a large group of people that could handle it fine and wouldn't have an issue
and there's probably another large group of people where this drives them crazy
I don't think the solution is everyone working from home or everyone working in an office, but that we should afford both sets of people the ability to do either or.
(they rightly assumed the police would not give them permission, so they didn't ask, and they filmed everything in part to give to the inevitable investigation)
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I'd start riding the rails and see the world. Since you can do office work on a train.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooope