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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    I'm already shaky in how much I actually play this game but a scoreboard would make be put it away forever without a second thought

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Valkyrie is a good ult, I think it just has bad feedback. It doesn't feel like you're doing much. Like it took me a long time to even notice her streams chained to other players. If it gave assists or ticks or something to let the player better feel the impact her ult was having (which it probably does already, come to think of it, man i get tunnel vision when playing some characters) that would be great.

    Also flying is just fun and if her ult is to be retooled it should keep that in. Flying is just good.

    Actually if it let you just go ham on the pistol like it currently does but also let you attach multiple streams to your teammates, that would be perfect, because the most fun thing to do with her ult is just mercilessly (heh) rushdown a pharah who's been plaguing your team with your infinite ammo, but it feels selfish when you can be helping more being boring more passive.

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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Glocking people as a Swiss moth is what everyone should aspire to.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    That too...I know they did it to reduce toxicity but honestly it doesn't and I would love to actually have detailed stats.

    It absolutely 100% reduces toxicity. People already complain constantly about having x number of y colored medals, wtf is the rest of my team doing, omg I'm carrying so hard. Give people access to the raw stats and that instantly gets a thousand times worse. I have access to my own stats, that's all I need.

    Right, but if people are complaining about medals, isn't that evidence of it not reducing toxicity? It's not like people need categorical evidence to be an ass.

    It doesn't bother me either way but I'm always on the side of more transparent data.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    Remove medals. They provide nothing of value.

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    Tim is on the InternetTim is on the Internet On the Internet Edmonton, ABRegistered User regular
    I occasionally refer to medals to gauge how the rest of my team is doing. If I, a support, am leading in damage and eliminations, something has to change.

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    EvilMonkeyEvilMonkey Registered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    i just had a qp game where the mercy and ana were pocketing...each other? like the tanks and dps were all moving to the point and the two healers were just off, i don't know what.

    They might be goosing about. Or they might be struggling to deal with that enemy Reaper who's camping them at spawn. Sometimes hard to tell with the lack of comms in QP. At least at my dumpster MMR.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    That's my point. Maybe YOU need to change*. So many people don't really think about what the medals might mean. They see them and assume whatever puts them in the best light. Maybe Roadhog has gold healing because his supports keep getting killed because no one's peeling for them. Maybe Moira has gold damage because she never uses her healing orb and just goes all aggro all the time. Maybe the Junkrat has gold damage, but is really just feeding the enemy supports ult charge.

    Medals are at least as harmful as they are helpful.

    * Not actually directed at you.

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    PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    i wish i could hover over my team at the end to see their medals...or anything really. why? because if there's a person that is doing well, i'm going to support them more, and if a person is weaker, i'm probably going to ignore them more. that's a reinforcement that can help and cause problems but i agree 100% that more information is better in the long run. don't let ANYONE hide their real impact.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    i wish i could hover over my team at the end to see their medals...or anything really. why? because if there's a person that is doing well, i'm going to support them more, and if a person is weaker, i'm probably going to ignore them more. that's a reinforcement that can help and cause problems but i agree 100% that more information is better in the long run. don't let ANYONE hide their real impact.

    That sounds pretty toxic to me? Healers rarely have good reason to ignore a teammate, and you'd be making the game less fun for new players trying to get better.

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

    Yeah. Just play the game and chill out about who on your team is bad or good.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    I can't wrap my head around that one.

    Trying to play your role well is toxic?

    Trying to win is toxic?

    What?

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    YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Specific supports work better with certain other characters. Like Zen complements dive characters and Hog, Mercy with ranged, Lucio with brawlers like Reaper, etc. If I know who's popping off then I focus on providing more to that person in particular.

    That said, globally visible stats would do more harm than good. You already get Sigmas and Moiras complaining that they have damage medals because they're incapable of critical thinking. I really don't want to have to listen to people complaining that our Ashe should have 10k damage per 10 minutes or w/e and she only has 7. That's just a waste of comms and time.

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

    Yeah. Just play the game and chill out about who on your team is bad or good.

    So, if my Mcree has gold elims, and my 76 has no medals, I should spread my damage boosts evenly because otherwise I'm being toxic?

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    That too...I know they did it to reduce toxicity but honestly it doesn't and I would love to actually have detailed stats.

    It absolutely 100% reduces toxicity. People already complain constantly about having x number of y colored medals, wtf is the rest of my team doing, omg I'm carrying so hard. Give people access to the raw stats and that instantly gets a thousand times worse. I have access to my own stats, that's all I need.

    Right, but if people are complaining about medals, isn't that evidence of it not reducing toxicity? It's not like people need categorical evidence to be an ass.

    It doesn't bother me either way but I'm always on the side of more transparent data.

    Toxicity is a sliding scale, not a 1/0 binary. Medals add a certain amount of toxicity, adding a stats screen would (in my opinion) add significantly more. People don't need evidence to be shitty, but having it would most definitely foster more shittiness that isn't justified by whatever potential benefit it may add (again, in my opinion).

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    mightyjongyomightyjongyo Sour Crrm East Bay, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

    Yeah. Just play the game and chill out about who on your team is bad or good.

    So, if my Mcree has gold elims, and my 76 has no medals, I should spread my damage boosts evenly because otherwise I'm being toxic?

    Personally I've never needed medals to determine who should be damage boosted. I don't need to poll my team to ask them what their K:D is to see that one is being more effective than the other.

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    ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Land in a game Vs. two DPS named for a porn term I won't repeat, underscore, CLUB and _KLUB respectively on Tracer and Hanzo. On Nepal. They are both level 5 and both very, very good shots. The Tracer absolutely destroys us, so I go Sombra and hack her into death a few times and we take the point, but we can't hold it. We lose round 1 and I say to my brother "wanna go full cheese?"

    "What's that mean?" he says.

    "You go Torb, I go Sym."

    Victory, PotG, elims card, /bow.

    Also it's okay to want it to be easier to tell which of your teammates are performing, and it's also true that you can totally tell, in general, by having the killfeed up, seeing who's on fire and otherwise just watching. I think it is the way it is because Blizz doesn't want to give assholes ammunition to be assholes to other people. Which people would do, because people be assholes.

    Also as soon as I see my Moira's got gold elims I know I'll be complaining.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

    Yeah. Just play the game and chill out about who on your team is bad or good.

    So, if my Mcree has gold elims, and my 76 has no medals, I should spread my damage boosts evenly because otherwise I'm being toxic?

    Wouldn't whoever happened to get your early damage boosts have a better chance at having golds? Kind of a weird metric to go by, especially since you can see the ticks and assists you're getting when you boost someone and go off that. Not to mention depriving them of support is just going to make it even more likely they're going to have a bad game.

    If it's just damage boosting it probably doesn't matter. If you're damage boosting the 'carry' to the extent of denying others heals that's where it gets toxic no questions asked.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

    Yeah. Just play the game and chill out about who on your team is bad or good.

    So, if my Mcree has gold elims, and my 76 has no medals, I should spread my damage boosts evenly because otherwise I'm being toxic?

    I've truly never once thought about that while supporting. The only preferential treatment I'll give sometimes is team comp related, like Pharah + Mercy. But I just don't care that much which player on my team is a rock star, it's my job to support all of them.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    Finished my support placements for the first time, 2334.

    Better than I expected!

    My DPS placements are next...that won't be pretty.

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    MonwynMonwyn Apathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime. A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered User regular
    I occasionally refer to medals to gauge how the rest of my team is doing. If I, a support, am leading in damage and eliminations, something has to change.

    Or you're just playing Moira properly

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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    My DPS SR has dropped below 1500, so all my games are just shit now. I guess I should just quit until next season and hope placements fix it some?

    While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    you won't climb by not playing the game

    season ends oct 31 if you wanna wait tho, guess you can still tank/support in the meantime

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    My DPS SR has dropped below 1500, so all my games are just shit now. I guess I should just quit until next season and hope placements fix it some?

    I don't really see a point in playing the game myself until the OP DPS situation goes from "getting attention" to "something resembling fixed". Just not at all interested in playing Doomfistwatch or OverReaper, it's completely tedious as hell.

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    ChanceChance Registered User regular
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    My DPS SR has dropped below 1500, so all my games are just shit now. I guess I should just quit until next season and hope placements fix it some?

    At best, if you perform incredibly, your placements will move your SR up by around 300 - but it never just scraps your last season's end rank. It is always the basis of your next season's rank and placements.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
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    BRIAN BLESSEDBRIAN BLESSED Maybe you aren't SPEAKING LOUDLY ENOUGHHH Registered User regular
    I've been throwing away several days worth of games/SR because even though my microphone isn't transmitting properly, the push to talk tone still plays normally so I've been spitting shot-calls into the fucking aether

    Really wish there was some sort of audio check functionality because this shit frequently happens where team voice functionality fucking breaks spontaneously too
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    It's toxic to want to support players who are having a better game, so you can have a better chance of winning?

    Yeah. Just play the game and chill out about who on your team is bad or good.

    So, if my Mcree has gold elims, and my 76 has no medals, I should spread my damage boosts evenly because otherwise I'm being toxic?

    Personally I've never needed medals to determine who should be damage boosted. I don't need to poll my team to ask them what their K:D is to see that one is being more effective than the other.

    I don't personally judge by kills (moreso on deaths - if a DPS is throwing away their lives I write them off because a healer is infinitely more valuable than a DPS and it's not worth risking the healer). I would preferentially pocket a DPS carrying far above and beyond but there's probably plenty of situations where the second DPS would still get a damage boost.

    The choice is really more about the context of the situation. eg. Even if a Widow is popping off I'd rather damage boost the DPS dedicated to breaking the barriers because that Widow risks doing piss-all otherwise

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Just delete Horizon and Paris and put in two different payload or KOTH maps, they're such unplayable shit that it feels like a waste of finally getting a DPS slot.

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Just delete Horizon and Paris and put in two different payload or KOTH maps, they're such unplayable shit that it feels like a waste of finally getting a DPS slot.

    The solution for both of these maps is actually the same: Symmetra.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    SirToasty wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Just delete Horizon and Paris and put in two different payload or KOTH maps, they're such unplayable shit that it feels like a waste of finally getting a DPS slot.

    The solution for both of these maps is actually the same: Symmetra.

    Nah, Symmetra doesn't fix the fact that both maps have pretty shitty designs and just aren't fun to play. Paris especially, although I'm a little biased there because if I could I would delete all 2CP maps from the game.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    anubis and volskaya get a pass

    send horizon on a collision course for the sun

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    I've been warming up on Horizon because it's the one map I can just shove a rein down the other team's throat and it still works in this meta

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    I've been playing a lot more lately and having fun in QP thanks to role queue, but I'm getting epeen envy because I'm still a bronze portrait at level 371 I think. It seems crazy to me how long it takes just to get a silver border, it's many hundreds of hours. I feel like they should add more portraits that aren't connected to your level. So you can show the exclusive level 1000 border if you want to prove your epeen, but you could also just sidestep that by using one of the custom ones instead. There are quite a few easy opportunities for loot box drops that they aren't using right now.

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    SlortexSlortex In my chairRegistered User regular
    Mercy Rework:

    Scrap Valkyrie and make her ultimate a larger radius immortality field, centered on mercy. Heroes never die! Resurrect is replaced with the chain Heal/Boost from Valkyrie on a hefty cooldown.

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Valkyrie automatically beams everyone near Mercy, but she only has her pistol and everyone gets healed in relation to how much damage she does (including to barriers).

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    YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Valk encouraging you to hulk out instead of float behind a pillar would be pretty rad.

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    mightyjongyomightyjongyo Sour Crrm East Bay, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Yilias wrote: »
    Valk encouraging you to hulk out instead of float behind a pillar would be pretty rad.

    ...you mean it doesn't already encourage you to do that? screw the heals, I'll rez you after I get that widow that no one was shooting at!


    I've definitely never done this I don't know what you're talking about


    It's also never backfired, perfect execution every time

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    McMoogleMcMoogle Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Just delete Horizon and Paris and put in two different payload or KOTH maps, they're such unplayable shit that it feels like a waste of finally getting a DPS slot.

    I cant tell if i like paris or not because it only ever shows up once every 100 matches. I think I've ever only defended on it once.

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    ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    McMoogle wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Just delete Horizon and Paris and put in two different payload or KOTH maps, they're such unplayable shit that it feels like a waste of finally getting a DPS slot.

    I cant tell if i like paris or not because it only ever shows up once every 100 matches. I think I've ever only defended on it once.

    I like it 'cause I've had way too much fun defending on it. Horizon I'm pretty meh on.
    screw the heals, I'll rez you after I get that widow that no one was shooting at!


    I've definitely never done this I don't know what you're talking about


    It's also never backfired, perfect execution every time

    In fairness we wouldn't go nuts trying to kill that Widow if anyone else on our team had given her any goddamn attention.

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    The chokepoint heavy CP maps don't bother me unless the defending team goes Bastion bunker. It's not that the strategy is OP, but it requires a level of coordination to defeat that often is beyond a pub QP game. I feel like Bastion is due another redesign.

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